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Smikis.




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PostPosted: Sun, 14th Aug 2011 19:26    Post subject:
i wasnt saying it looks bad, and i somewhat doubt any of that animate, would look terrible ,

i was just saying technically hon have more advanced engine
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PostPosted: Sun, 14th Aug 2011 19:37    Post subject:
Smikis.
You sound like a real hardcore HoN fanboy. "OH LOOK WE HAZ ANIMATED GRASS, CLEARLY DIS IS DA BETTAH GAME"

Jesus christ, we see screenshots, and already HoN have the more advanced engine? Ok.

I hope DoTA 2 will be a good mix between HoN and LoL. The best from the two. Now I'm talking about gameplay, I dont care that much about the gfx.


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PostPosted: Sun, 14th Aug 2011 19:38    Post subject:
From what we've heard so far Dota 2 will play like Dota 1 (so closer to HoN than LoL).


TWIN PEAKS is "something of a miracle."
"...like nothing else on television."
"a phenomenon."
"A tangled tale of sex, violence, power, junk food..."
"Like Nothing On Earth"

~ WHAT THEY'RE TRYING TO SAY CAN ONLY BE SEEN ~

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CHTUOgYNRzY
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PostPosted: Sun, 14th Aug 2011 20:02    Post subject:
consolitis wrote:
RainyDay wrote:
or it may need not to have the same retarded map in every single moba (or whatever was called) game from the past 10 years..
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but yeah.. some nudity and gore would be nice


So according to you a game that is a remake of a previous one in a newer engine should actually EXCLUDE content from the original.

OKAY... Scratch Head


Not saying that for DotA2 (because I can't) but HoN is a carbon copy of DotA. They even got some of the same champions if I remember correctly. So there's nothing wrong with having content from it's predecessor (spiritual one in this case) but an exact copy? That's lame.
I'm gonna refrain from forming a real opinion until I've seen DotA2 gameplay.


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Now you're just arguing semantics. Getting fucked in the ass with a broom stale is an "improvement" over getting stabbed in the eye with a fork Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: Sun, 14th Aug 2011 20:08    Post subject:
Only thing I hate more than anything is "denying". I get the idea, I get the attraction, I get what some people think it adds to the game, but it's just so goddamn stupid.

It's the one single reason I play LoL over HoN.

And I know DotA 2 will have denying, so I won't be playing that either. Sad


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PostPosted: Sun, 14th Aug 2011 20:14    Post subject:
Smikis. wrote:

clueless or clueless? it have 2d background, so only units and water? is actually animated.. open ur eyes


Where do you get the idea that this game's maps are flat brushes with a texture applied to them?
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PostPosted: Sun, 14th Aug 2011 20:15    Post subject:
sTo0z wrote:
Only thing I hate more than anything is "denying". I get the idea, I get the attraction, I get what some people think it adds to the game, but it's just so goddamn stupid.

It's the one single reason I play LoL over HoN.

And I know DotA 2 will have denying, so I won't be playing that either. Sad


There's only one instance where I which denying was in LoL. Whenever I have to lane against Mordekaiser.
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PostPosted: Sun, 14th Aug 2011 20:51    Post subject:
Reklis wrote:
consolitis wrote:
RainyDay wrote:
or it may need not to have the same retarded map in every single moba (or whatever was called) game from the past 10 years..
 Spoiler:
 

but yeah.. some nudity and gore would be nice


So according to you a game that is a remake of a previous one in a newer engine should actually EXCLUDE content from the original.

OKAY... Scratch Head


Not saying that for DotA2 (because I can't) but HoN is a carbon copy of DotA. They even got some of the same champions if I remember correctly. So there's nothing wrong with having content from it's predecessor (spiritual one in this case) but an exact copy? That's lame.
I'm gonna refrain from forming a real opinion until I've seen DotA2 gameplay.


The CS1.6 scene disagrees with you. They are forever mad at Valve for making the tiny changes they made for CS:Source, and they decided to continue playing the old game instead of moving on.


TWIN PEAKS is "something of a miracle."
"...like nothing else on television."
"a phenomenon."
"A tangled tale of sex, violence, power, junk food..."
"Like Nothing On Earth"

~ WHAT THEY'RE TRYING TO SAY CAN ONLY BE SEEN ~

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CHTUOgYNRzY
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PostPosted: Sun, 14th Aug 2011 20:58    Post subject:
dezztroy wrote:
Smikis. wrote:

clueless or clueless? it have 2d background, so only units and water? is actually animated.. open ur eyes


Where do you get the idea that this game's maps are flat brushes with a texture applied to them?


@smikis,

How can you tell that they wont animate from screenshots? Very Happy
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PostPosted: Sun, 14th Aug 2011 21:29    Post subject:
Reklis wrote:
sTo0z wrote:
Only thing I hate more than anything is "denying". I get the idea, I get the attraction, I get what some people think it adds to the game, but it's just so goddamn stupid.

It's the one single reason I play LoL over HoN.

And I know DotA 2 will have denying, so I won't be playing that either. Sad


There's only one instance where I which denying was in LoL. Whenever I have to lane against Mordekaiser.


Haha, yah.. Morde is pretty gross right now. I see him in almost every game.. Stuck in 1450 elo range right now and he's all over the place.


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PostPosted: Sun, 14th Aug 2011 21:45    Post subject:
wizarD. wrote:
dezztroy wrote:
Smikis. wrote:

clueless or clueless? it have 2d background, so only units and water? is actually animated.. open ur eyes


Where do you get the idea that this game's maps are flat brushes with a texture applied to them?


@smikis,

How can you tell that they wont animate from screenshots? Very Happy


i have eyes.. its obvious..
im not hon fanboy someone started argument about graphic whoring saying dota2 is new crysis 3 ..i just said hon have better graphics technically and artistic style is each own preference , and you making god damn emo drama over this crap
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PostPosted: Sun, 14th Aug 2011 21:49    Post subject:
Y U No????

Y U NO WAIT FOR GAMESCOM. Nothing is "obvious".


TWIN PEAKS is "something of a miracle."
"...like nothing else on television."
"a phenomenon."
"A tangled tale of sex, violence, power, junk food..."
"Like Nothing On Earth"

~ WHAT THEY'RE TRYING TO SAY CAN ONLY BE SEEN ~

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CHTUOgYNRzY
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PostPosted: Sun, 14th Aug 2011 21:50    Post subject:
Smikis. wrote:
wizarD. wrote:
dezztroy wrote:


Where do you get the idea that this game's maps are flat brushes with a texture applied to them?


@smikis,

How can you tell that they wont animate from screenshots? Very Happy


i have eyes.. its obvious..
im not hon fanboy someone started argument about graphic whoring saying dota2 is new crysis 3 ..i just said hon have better graphics technically and artistic style is each own preference , and you making god damn emo drama over this crap


"Hey guys, this screenshot doesn't show any movement. Clearly the game will be a collection of still images."

I don't see anyone saying this is the "new crysis 3". All I see are people saying that the artstyle looks great, which it does.
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PostPosted: Sun, 14th Aug 2011 22:15    Post subject:
HoN is based off DotA, S2 never have and never will deny that. They got Icefrog's blessing (and some of his predecessors in fact) to do what they did and as far as I'm concerned, they did a good job. They're also a very pleasant bunch of guys to work with/for, one of the few studios left that know what the fuck they want - and then do it.

In comparison to DotA, HoN has a slightly higher pace, which makes it a bit more action filled at times, but overall, the two are quite similar - which is a good thing.

LoL on the other hand is ridiculously slow compared to both. Where both DotA and HoN often require you to make split-second decisions, LoL feels like you've got years to do that. Anyone denying that either hasn't played DotA/HoN properly or simply sucks at it Smile

One can't deny that Eul and Guinsoo did a brilliant job, but it's IceFrog's constant balancing that made DotA as big as it got and in turn inspired things like Demigod, HoN and LoL. I don't know how LoL can be as boring as it is with Guinsoo being part of the development team, so I'm hoping IceFrog will do his job properly and make DotA 2 what it's supposed to be: a true competitor to HoN. Always good to have some competition, it'll be interesting to see which of the two will prevail as the more popular game.
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PostPosted: Sun, 14th Aug 2011 22:32    Post subject:
Werelds wrote:
Yada yada yada turning this into a HoN is better than LoL thread.


Saying "you have years for decisions in LoL" simply shows you haven't really played LoL. See? That thing works both way rounds and that's why it's stupid. Both HoN and LoL have their advantages and disadvantages and they don't necessarily cater to the same "type" of gamer. Nevertheless they are competitors and tbh I think you'll see a lot more people going from HoN to DotA2 than you'll see migrating from LoL to DotA2. Simple as that (which has nothing to do that I think LoL is "superior" it's just a bit more different than DotA. Something HoN cannot - and as was stated - don't want to say.)
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PostPosted: Sun, 14th Aug 2011 22:46    Post subject:
Werelds wrote:


LoL on the other hand is ridiculously slow compared to both. Where both DotA and HoN often require you to make split-second decisions, LoL feels like you've got years to do that. Anyone denying that either hasn't played DotA/HoN properly or simply sucks at it Smile


i lol'd....


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PostPosted: Sun, 14th Aug 2011 23:01    Post subject:
RainyDay wrote:
Werelds wrote:


LoL on the other hand is ridiculously slow compared to both. Where both DotA and HoN often require you to make split-second decisions, LoL feels like you've got years to do that. Anyone denying that either hasn't played DotA/HoN properly or simply sucks at it Smile


i LoL'd....


fixed


TWIN PEAKS is "something of a miracle."
"...like nothing else on television."
"a phenomenon."
"A tangled tale of sex, violence, power, junk food..."
"Like Nothing On Earth"

~ WHAT THEY'RE TRYING TO SAY CAN ONLY BE SEEN ~

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CHTUOgYNRzY
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PostPosted: Sun, 14th Aug 2011 23:04    Post subject:
Comparison:

 Spoiler:
 


TWIN PEAKS is "something of a miracle."
"...like nothing else on television."
"a phenomenon."
"A tangled tale of sex, violence, power, junk food..."
"Like Nothing On Earth"

~ WHAT THEY'RE TRYING TO SAY CAN ONLY BE SEEN ~

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CHTUOgYNRzY
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PostPosted: Sun, 14th Aug 2011 23:32    Post subject:
RainyDay wrote:
Werelds wrote:


LoL on the other hand is ridiculously slow compared to both. Where both DotA and HoN often require you to make split-second decisions, LoL feels like you've got years to do that. Anyone denying that either hasn't played DotA/HoN properly or simply sucks at it Smile


i lol'd....

LoL all you want, but it's true. It does give the game a different tactical approach, because you need to plan more ahead (which obviously appeals to some of you), but it is in fact slower (by design).
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PostPosted: Mon, 15th Aug 2011 00:50    Post subject:
If we could refrain from making this thread a LoL/HoN/DotA(2) flamewar, it would be nice. It's pointless Neutral
The screenshots leaked are at least 4 to 5 months old, it has been stated that the UI ( amongst many other thing ) has been competely revamped..

So just wait until Gamescom Very Happy

sTo0z wrote:
Only thing I hate more than anything is "denying". I get the idea, I get the attraction, I get what some people think it adds to the game, but it's just so goddamn stupid.

It's the one single reason I play LoL over HoN.

And I know DotA 2 will have denying, so I won't be playing that either. Sad


Killing your own units is stupid.. right ? Neutral It makes much more sense when it means denying gold and experience to an enemy about to kill the unit, but still, I get it.
I can see why you dislike that, but how can you control your lane without that feature ?
Also, it's not just denying creeps, but there are also DoT spells with which you can deny your teammate.. is that also impossible in LoL ?


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PostPosted: Mon, 15th Aug 2011 01:01    Post subject:
Don't forget denying of towers.
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PostPosted: Mon, 15th Aug 2011 01:30    Post subject:
sTo0z wrote:
Only thing I hate more than anything is "denying". I get the idea, I get the attraction, I get what some people think it adds to the game, but it's just so goddamn stupid.

It's the one single reason I play LoL over HoN.

And I know DotA 2 will have denying, so I won't be playing that either. Sad


lol wut

Just because you don't understand a simple game mechanic doesn't make it stupid

lol wut
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PostPosted: Mon, 15th Aug 2011 02:36    Post subject:
Mussolinka wrote:
sTo0z wrote:
Only thing I hate more than anything is "denying". I get the idea, I get the attraction, I get what some people think it adds to the game, but it's just so goddamn stupid.

It's the one single reason I play LoL over HoN.

And I know DotA 2 will have denying, so I won't be playing that either. Sad


lol wut

Just because you don't understand a simple game mechanic doesn't make it stupid

lol wut


Spamming a retarded smiley doesn't make you look cool. I understand the mechanic just fine, it's just stupid as fuck, kinda' like your post.


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PostPosted: Mon, 15th Aug 2011 02:40    Post subject:
ITT: I can see why the community for this kind of games is just terrible. Troll Dad


TWIN PEAKS is "something of a miracle."
"...like nothing else on television."
"a phenomenon."
"A tangled tale of sex, violence, power, junk food..."
"Like Nothing On Earth"

~ WHAT THEY'RE TRYING TO SAY CAN ONLY BE SEEN ~

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CHTUOgYNRzY
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PostPosted: Mon, 15th Aug 2011 02:59    Post subject:
sTo0z wrote:
Mussolinka wrote:
sTo0z wrote:
Only thing I hate more than anything is "denying". I get the idea, I get the attraction, I get what some people think it adds to the game, but it's just so goddamn stupid.

It's the one single reason I play LoL over HoN.

And I know DotA 2 will have denying, so I won't be playing that either. Sad


lol wut

Just because you don't understand a simple game mechanic doesn't make it stupid

lol wut


Spamming a retarded smiley doesn't make you look cool. I understand the mechanic just fine, it's just stupid as fuck, kinda' like your post.


Yeah right, preventing enemy from gaining an upper hand sure is stupid Rolling Eyes The only reason someone would be against something like that is if they are unable to maintain good enough apm, or really too simple-minded to understand how important that is.

A while ago when gangplank could deny, he could gain even 3 lvls of advantage of the enemy lane, not only he had higher lvl but also far more gold.

Quote:
ITT: I can see why the community for this kind of games is just terrible.


They're just extremely competitive.

Anyway the smiley wasn't spammed, at most you can say it was AM.
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PostPosted: Mon, 15th Aug 2011 08:41    Post subject:
More leaks:





TWIN PEAKS is "something of a miracle."
"...like nothing else on television."
"a phenomenon."
"A tangled tale of sex, violence, power, junk food..."
"Like Nothing On Earth"

~ WHAT THEY'RE TRYING TO SAY CAN ONLY BE SEEN ~

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CHTUOgYNRzY
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PostPosted: Mon, 15th Aug 2011 08:48    Post subject:
Denying is a great way to win a lane, especially helps being good at it when you are against heroes who have an easy time against creeps(the Hon equivalents of Bloodseeker, Tidehunter etc etc)


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PostPosted: Mon, 15th Aug 2011 10:12    Post subject:
So this "DOTA 2" has both "denying" and "last hitting", right? The 2 most stupid ideas in the genre still in place a decade after Scratch Head , both inherited from the engine limitations of warcraft 3 .

So you still have to kill your own allied creeps to prevent the enemy from gaining gold/XP, and you may deal 90% of the damage an enemy creep receives, but if you don't deal the killing blow you still receive 0 gold. Yeah right.

To think that this was already fixed over 2 years ago in Demigod (where you only need to deal a set % of the damage a unit receives to get gold from it), and all these newer games still haven't smarten up....

Here's hoping for a proper Demigod sequel.....
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PostPosted: Mon, 15th Aug 2011 10:21    Post subject:
nomilarac wrote:
So this "DOTA 2" has both "denying" and "last hitting", right? The 2 most stupid ideas in the genre still in place a decade after :scratch: , both inherited from the engine limitations of warcraft 3 :doh: .



has nothing to do with limitations. they're mechanics that allow great players to elevate themselves above good players.
why would they remove such things and close the skill gap between players? if you're better you should have opportunities in the game to put that extra skill to use.
if you aren't good enough to do it or too lazy you deserve to get owned by someone who can do it.

I'm not saying you have to like the mechanic but there's good reasons for it to be there.


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