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| Pl@tinum wrote: | | Raap wrote: | | WoW was never good. It was always simplistic and dumbed down from the very start. Now Anarchy Online, that was a brilliant gem. So was Star Wars, once upon a time... |
There was nothing simplistic and dumbed down about vanilla wow. It's not the same now, but how the hell do you milk a 8 year 11 million users cow? |
There was everything simplistic about it. Very few builds, no way to gimp yourself, very light death penalty, very easy leveling. The game played itself to 60 basically.
And yes, Anarchy Online was a brilliant gem, now that was a grown up man's MMO. Never have I seen a 12 year old in that game, and I have played it a lot.
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| Posted: Sat, 3rd Sep 2011 21:30 Post subject: |
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| Radicalus wrote: | | Pl@tinum wrote: | | Raap wrote: | | WoW was never good. It was always simplistic and dumbed down from the very start. Now Anarchy Online, that was a brilliant gem. So was Star Wars, once upon a time... |
There was nothing simplistic and dumbed down about vanilla wow. It's not the same now, but how the hell do you milk a 8 year 11 million users cow? |
There was everything simplistic about it. Very few builds, no way to gimp yourself, very light death penalty, very easy leveling. The game played itself to 60 basically.
And yes, Anarchy Online was a brilliant gem, now that was a grown up man's MMO. Never have I seen a 12 year old in that game, and I have played it a lot. |
Right, has opposed to every other game that requires a master's degree just to boot it up. It's a game. It's supposed to be, you know, playable. I wonder where did you get the strength to play such a derp game 'till level 60?
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| Posted: Sat, 3rd Sep 2011 21:35 Post subject: |
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| Pl@tinum wrote: | | Radicalus wrote: | | Pl@tinum wrote: |
There was nothing simplistic and dumbed down about vanilla wow. It's not the same now, but how the hell do you milk a 8 year 11 million users cow? |
There was everything simplistic about it. Very few builds, no way to gimp yourself, very light death penalty, very easy leveling. The game played itself to 60 basically.
And yes, Anarchy Online was a brilliant gem, now that was a grown up man's MMO. Never have I seen a 12 year old in that game, and I have played it a lot. |
Right, has opposed to every other game that requires a master's degree just to boot it up. It's a game. It's supposed to be, you know, playable. I wonder where did you get the strength to play such a derp game 'till level 60? |
Ah, nice trap. I didn't play it to 60, but before you accuse me of then not knowing, what I'm talking about, I've had reliable friends play it, and tell me. Also, I use deduction as well, and since I tried my friends account, when he was at 60, and got utterly bored in under an hour, I think the game wasn't any more complex at 40. Yes, I did try some raid, we completed it, although I passed the game back to my friend, because I was pretty bored and done with it forever by then.
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Werelds
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| Posted: Sat, 3rd Sep 2011 21:50 Post subject: |
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The road to 60 is only interesting if you give a shit about the lore (which I personally don't find that interesting if I'm honest, as it's a mash up of other great fantasy before it, but that's another matter).
However Radicalus, you can't say shit about the end-game either, because that's where the vanilla game was brilliant. Coordinating 40 people on encounters where you really can't afford a single mistake is always hard, but the encounters they came up with were pretty good even for experienced groups. The PvP has never been the best, but in vanilla at least it was balanced (that ended with TBC as well - no longer PvP but Class vs. Class).
In TBC the nerf bat to make stuff accessible to retards came quicker than before, and it hit harder as well. An encounter like Gruul was absolutely brilliant at first, after the nerf bat it got so damn boring that we started killing each other on purpose just for fun. Most of TBC was pretty easy and we ran out of content some 8 or 9 months before WOTLK came around (not to mention that SP was pretty boring). Result: most of the guild took a hiatus. Briefly came back for WOTLK, but when we blazed through Naxxramas (arguably the hardest raid in vanilla) in just 3 nights we all cancelled our subs instantly. What Breezer calls heroic is not even a fucking shadow of what the game used to be like.
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| Posted: Sat, 3rd Sep 2011 21:52 Post subject: |
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| Radicalus wrote: | | Pl@tinum wrote: | | Radicalus wrote: |
There was everything simplistic about it. Very few builds, no way to gimp yourself, very light death penalty, very easy leveling. The game played itself to 60 basically.
And yes, Anarchy Online was a brilliant gem, now that was a grown up man's MMO. Never have I seen a 12 year old in that game, and I have played it a lot. |
Right, has opposed to every other game that requires a master's degree just to boot it up. It's a game. It's supposed to be, you know, playable. I wonder where did you get the strength to play such a derp game 'till level 60? |
Ah, nice trap. I didn't play it to 60, but before you accuse me of then not knowing, what I'm talking about, I've had reliable friends play it, and tell me. Also, I use deduction as well, and since I tried my friends account, when he was at 60, and got utterly bored in under an hour, I think the game wasn't any more complex at 40. Yes, I did try some raid, we completed it, although I passed the game back to my friend, because I was pretty bored and done with it forever by then. |
You don't know what you're taking about 
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| Posted: Sat, 3rd Sep 2011 22:05 Post subject: |
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Coordinating a 40 man raid, I know is no small feat, but 39 people usually just have to know their own role well, and that's it. For the leader it's always an extra layer.
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| Posted: Sat, 3rd Sep 2011 23:35 Post subject: |
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| Radicalus wrote: | | Coordinating a 40 man raid, I know is no small feat, but 39 people usually just have to know their own role well, and that's it. For the leader it's always an extra layer. |
HOLY FUCK, before anyone calls me blizzard fanboy once again, just how ignorant you are ?
back in 2006 you could get a job..and i mean director kinda job by being wow guild leader, leading 40 man raids.. there was plenty of news stories about that.. SMALL FEAT MY ASS , playing sc at highest lvl is small feat too ? thats why corporations hire those sc koreans with no real education ? sure thing mate, before you try act all mighty, educate yourself about subject you speaking
(for the record my longest guild leader was company director, latter he got even better job which resulted him opening whole new branch in our country, since there wasnt one, and yes he was best raid leader i had.. so it takes plenty of skill to lead 40 people.. )
and how old are you 12? since when " not " liking game , automatically makes that game bad game, i dont like shogun2, i dont like civ5, but those 2 games are codding masterpieces , yet none of them even comes close to scale that wow have .. or game coding complexity
i might watch movie, which isnt to my liking, because of genre, but i wont go saying its bad movie if acting was great, if movie felt well done
but look at you, wow is a derp(proves you are 12 years old, just by using that word, yet trying to have mature discussion ) game.. because you dont like it, because game is easy, because many things.. it was so easy, and game played itself you failed to get past lvl 40..
i dont like many games, i might not like certain publishers/game devs.. but blind hating is just silly
i never been into adventure games, yet you dont see me flaming monkey island..
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Shinin
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| Posted: Sat, 3rd Sep 2011 23:36 Post subject: |
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| Smikis. wrote: | | Radicalus wrote: | | Coordinating a 40 man raid, I know is no small feat, but 39 people usually just have to know their own role well, and that's it. For the leader it's always an extra layer. |
HOLY FUCK, before anyone calls me blizzard fanboy once again, just how ignorant you are ?
back in 2006 you could get a job..and i mean director kinda job by being wow guild leader, leaving 40 man raids.. there was plenty of news stories about that.. SMALL FEAT MY ASS , playing sc at highest lvl is small feat too ? thats why corporations hire those sc koreans with no real education ? sure thing mate, before you try act all mighty, educate yourself about subject you speaking
and how old are you 12? since when " not " liking game , automatically makes that game bad game, i dont like shogun2, i dont like civ5, but those 2 games are codding masterpieces , yet none of them even comes close to scale that wow have .. or game coding complexity
i might watch movie, which isnt to my liking, because of genre, but i wont go saying its bad movie if acting was great, if movie felt well done
but look at you, wow is a derp(proves you are 12 years old, just by using that word, yet trying to have mature discussion ) game.. because you dont like it, because game is easy, because many things.. it was so easy, and game played itself you failed to get past lvl 40..
i dont like many games, i might not like certain publishers/game devs.. but blind hating is just silly
i never been into adventure games, yet you dont see me flaming monkey island.. |
Sir, you sound mad? 
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| Posted: Sun, 4th Sep 2011 00:18 Post subject: |
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Diablo 2 wasn't without innovations. I remember the skill system being pretty nifty 10+ years ago.. added quite a bit of complexity over its predecessor, even if its execution left much to be desired (IE 80% of the skills being useless, and people just ending up saving up their points till hitting level 30).
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| Posted: Sun, 4th Sep 2011 00:21 Post subject: |
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Good post smikis. It's not important wheather you agree with him or not. It's just a good post with mature arguments.
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| Posted: Sun, 4th Sep 2011 00:46 Post subject: |
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"back in 2006 you could get a job..and i mean director kinda job by being wow guild leader, leading 40 man raids.. there was plenty of news stories about that.."
^^
That's cute, I read Kotaku too!
I'm sorry but if I'm interviewing a candidate for a job and he/she tells me in the interview that they're into wow and starts mentioning raids (and expects me to be impressed? are you fucking kidding me?), I've already decided not to hire this person. I want someone who's going to show up in the morning and pay attention to what the fuck they're doing, not look up wow news on mmo-champion..
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| Posted: Sun, 4th Sep 2011 02:59 Post subject: |
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Why the fuck does it matter if they browse wow sites at work? Do you think non wow players are innocent when it comes to useless surfing at work?
And if he doesn't show at work because he had a hard time with his guild he will be jobless very soon.
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| Posted: Sun, 4th Sep 2011 09:14 Post subject: |
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| Naish wrote: | "back in 2006 you could get a job..and i mean director kinda job by being wow guild leader, leading 40 man raids.. there was plenty of news stories about that.."
^^
That's cute, I read Kotaku too!
I'm sorry but if I'm interviewing a candidate for a job and he/she tells me in the interview that they're into wow and starts mentioning raids (and expects me to be impressed? are you fucking kidding me?), I've already decided not to hire this person. I want someone who's going to show up in the morning and pay attention to what the fuck they're doing, not look up wow news on mmo-champion.. |
yes you are the only one that hires people on this planet, RIGHT? i doubt you even do that in first place.
for your opinion to matter and i dont read kotaku
funny how you know wow website yet claim to be a saint in gaming forums..
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| Posted: Sun, 4th Sep 2011 09:55 Post subject: |
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| Naish wrote: | "back in 2006 you could get a job..and i mean director kinda job by being wow guild leader, leading 40 man raids.. there was plenty of news stories about that.."
^^
That's cute, I read Kotaku too!
I'm sorry but if I'm interviewing a candidate for a job and he/she tells me in the interview that they're into wow and starts mentioning raids (and expects me to be impressed? are you fucking kidding me?), I've already decided not to hire this person. I want someone who's going to show up in the morning and pay attention to what the fuck they're doing, not look up wow news on mmo-champion.. |
i dont play WoW, but i think you are narrow minded for leaving someone out because he plays WoW....
its an activity like any other, if he play tennis, chess, or rowing, would that disqualify him aswell?
i can extrapolate from my Guild Wars experience that to be the guild master/leader whatever of a top guild you need a lot of sociall skill, to keep everyone happy and handle the internal power struggles, you actually need to manage your team. even if it is a game it, requires coordination.
so...successful guild leaders are probably good with people.
now personally i would not say i play games if im asked in a job interview, because they probably would think the way you do. but that doesnt mean its right
but i believe that questions like whats your hobby, do you have a wife are important in jobs when you need to interact with other people... which is the case of most jobs
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| Posted: Sun, 4th Sep 2011 12:20 Post subject: |
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May I remind everyone this is a Diablo 3 thread, not a job or WoW related thread.
On a side-note: I hope you people really arent that shortsighted that you think that a decision to hire someone would be majorly influenced by the fact that he led 40 man raids. This short statement does not show the quality of the leadership given, neither does it elaborate how. For this to be a valuable argument during a job interview it would require video evidence to be handed over. This however would require the interviewer to have an insight into WoW, which I doubt is likely.
Usually when heading to a job interview you have already passed several tests, you fullfill the requirements of the job however they want to meet you in person and interview you to confirm compatibility. How you act and behave during a job interview is the most important factor.
And Smikis. your statement of WoW's coding being complex is a blatant lie, perhaps you should take a peek into the emulators that are being used by private servers. The only genius of WoW's code lies into the networking code, something we will never get to see.
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| Posted: Sun, 4th Sep 2011 12:55 Post subject: |
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since when i said coding is complex.. complex code/coding is worst thing you can do as programmer.. so please.. the easer code is the better it is.. but you clearly cant grasp what i was saying and this discussion is over
OH LOOK WOW AND JOB WORDS WERE USED, LETS JUMP THE SHIP , thats how i see half of you, small example to prove someone wrong, not to start discussion about it..
and you dont go to job interview and say i play wow, you dont say i play video games when they ask what do you like to do,
but when they ask what experience you have in leading group of people, making them work together and so forth, you can tell, i had blablabla jobs, in my free time i lead 60+ man successful group of people ( guild,clan) in certain game
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| Posted: Sun, 4th Sep 2011 13:22 Post subject: |
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| Smikis. wrote: | since when i said coding is complex.. complex code/coding is worst thing you can do as programmer.. so please.. the easer code is the better it is.. but you clearly cant grasp what i was saying and this discussion is over
OH LOOK WOW AND JOB WORDS WERE USED, LETS JUMP THE SHIP , thats how i see half of you, small example to prove someone wrong, not to start discussion about it..
and you dont go to job interview and say i play wow, you dont say i play video games when they ask what do you like to do,
but when they ask what experience you have in leading group of people, making them work together and so forth, you can tell, i had blablabla jobs, in my free time i lead 60+ man successful group of people ( guild,clan) in certain game |
Interesting, you way of "winning" an argument is saying the discussion is over?
I like how you try to change the meaning of the words in 2 different posts:
| Quote: | | yet none of them even comes close to scale that wow have .. or game coding complexity |
Clearly you are using highly complex code here as a pro argument for WoW, perhaps you meant complexity in general, however by using the word scale in the previous sentence you are implying WoW has a large complexity scale.
Now however you try to switch the entire argument to code in general and how complex code is bad. Dear Smikis. perhaps you should take a step back and actually read what you post. I am clearly referring to your statement of WoWs code complexity, it doesnt have any, however your line seems to imply it does.
Anyway if you read you post you were saying that the fact that he led 40 man raids was the factor that determined his appointment on the new job position, I cant help that you somehow end up stating something you dont intend to state.
Oh this discussion is over. 
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| Posted: Sun, 4th Sep 2011 16:29 Post subject: |
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@Ragedoctor i said coding masterpiece.. complexity as in whole game code, tied in together to actually work without being clusterfuck
as you said yourself , network code alone is brilliant and you have to make it all work together
nowhere i said code was complex, nor would i know if it was, word i used was CODING
as scale i was talking about game scale as in actual game
as for job, i didnt said it was leading factor, i said you could get a job , as in could , as in helping factor, clearly i should took my time, and wrote half page, what i meant by saying that, since i never expected this to grow this much out of proportions
why i said discussion is because trolls like you never end.. and you are already what. fifth one? and worst one at that..
so if you could let this die and stop proving me, i would be grateful
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| Posted: Mon, 5th Sep 2011 09:58 Post subject: |
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a bit of faster heartbit this morning.
opening mail, hey, a mail from blizzzard. (usually scamming mails are filtered).
"Diablo III beta test invitation!"
click, and ... crap.
from diablo3 noreply@blizzard.com
reply-to diablo3@d3-blizzard.com
to xxxxxxxx@gmail.com
date Mon, Sep 5, 2011 at 9:46 AM
subject Diablo III beta test invitation!
hide details 9:46 AM (58 minutes ago)
Greetings from Blizzard Entertainment!
We’re gearing up for the forthcoming launch of Diablo III and would like to extend you an invitation to participate in the beta test. If you are interested in participating, you need to have a Battle.net account, which you can create on our Battle.net website.
We will flag you for access to the Diablo III beta test when we begin admitting press. You do not need to go through the opt-in process.
To secure your place among the first of Sanctuary’s heroes,Please use the following template below to verify your account and information via email.
* Name:
* Battle.account name:
* Password:
* Country:
* E-mail Address:
Thanks and see you all in the Burning Hells!
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Werelds
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| Posted: Mon, 5th Sep 2011 10:01 Post subject: |
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Got the same one - TWICE 
LOOKS SO REAL, just like the Nigerian prince 
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Sin317
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| Posted: Mon, 5th Sep 2011 11:23 Post subject: |
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yeah the amount of blizzard related fake emails is almost unbelievable ...
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Werelds
Special Little Man
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| Posted: Mon, 5th Sep 2011 12:29 Post subject: |
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Just got another one
That's three in one day, keep em coming boys 
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| Posted: Mon, 5th Sep 2011 12:30 Post subject: |
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I gave up counting months back, it's insane how many fake Blizzard emails I get PER DAY.. and the best thing; I don't even HAVE a Battle.net account. It's hilarious.
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