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It looks ok. have those pics been resized? Because the aspect ratio still doesn't look right.
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| Posted: Mon, 30th May 2005 02:39 Post subject: |
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oh yeah there resized a bit my monitor too big, when its playing full screen ratio is correct.
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| Posted: Mon, 30th May 2005 05:03 Post subject: |
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| Posted: Mon, 30th May 2005 05:27 Post subject: |
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How does luke bring balance to the force?
He is the catalyst for the death of both the sith lords left, so thats not exactly balance.
Anakin did bring balance in a way, at least for a time. With only yoda and obi wan left, there were two jedi, and with darth and sideous you have the two sith lords. BALANCE!
"Techniclly speaking, Beta-Manboi didnt inject Burberry_Massi with Benz, he injected him with liquid that had air bubbles in it, which caused benz." - House M.D
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| Posted: Mon, 30th May 2005 06:28 Post subject: |
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| AnimalMother wrote: | How does luke bring balance to the force?
He is the catalyst for the death of both the sith lords left, so thats not exactly balance.
Anakin did bring balance in a way, at least for a time. With only yoda and obi wan left, there were two jedi, and with darth and sideous you have the two sith lords. BALANCE! |
That is what I thought...which is why I couldn't understand how balance = killing the sith. Seemed to me like since there were only two sith at any given time (and even clearly stated as such...a master and an apprentice) that bringing balance would simply mean killing a whole lot of Jedi to even things out. What would lead the Jedi to assume that balance = killing the sith? That is why it seemed like such a huge plothole.
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Fuck me. this is oldschool matinee, it's not supposed to be taken so seriously.
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| Siddhartha wrote: | | Injurious wrote: | | Siddhartha wrote: | | 3) The whole "balancing the force" issue. Anakin was the one who would bring balance back to the force...um, what? I couldn't understand how the Jedi thought that "balancing the force" meant eliminating the Sith...there were only 2 Sith! He certainly balanced the force by helping kill most of the Jedi, but its just the whole logic behind it was stupid. Balancing something usually involves roughly equal numbers...there were a lot more Jedi...the math was fuzzy. |
Luke skywalker brings balance to the force 
ani creates luke
ergo
ani balances the force
2) you don't contact slave planets unless you're looking for a slave
1) Jedi are poor  they use their power of persuasion to get things |
1) Given Anakin's refusal to even negotiate on the price of his mom until 10 years later, apparently so. Odd how he seemed so upset about her death and yet had seemingly forgotten all about her until the dreams...
2) I guess so, but after she was freed couldn't she contact him? He didn't have a cellphone? Just contact him on his glowing holodisc thingy...Well, maybe the long-distance charges would have been too much.
BTW, who was more annoying...little cutesy Anakin in Episode 1 or moody teenage Anakin in Episode 2? I think both were painful but the cutesy Anakin and Jar Jar combination killed Ep 1 for me. |
I totally agree, that little kid was so obnoxious to sit through. |
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| Posted: Mon, 30th May 2005 13:14 Post subject: |
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| Siddhartha wrote: | 1) Given Anakin's refusal to even negotiate on the price of his mom until 10 years later, apparently so. Odd how he seemed so upset about her death and yet had seemingly forgotten all about her until the dreams...
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He was on his way of becoming a Jedi. Every boys dream! You think if your dreams came true you'd be stuck in the loop thinking of the family you left behind? NO!
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2) I guess so, but after she was freed couldn't she contact him? He didn't have a cellphone? Just contact him on his glowing holodisc thingy...Well, maybe the long-distance charges would have been too much.
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Contacting the council is an impossibility because only certain few can contact it; Jedi, knights, kings, masters, and some other high ranking mother fuckers... poor peasant bitch would be on a low priority call so they'd probably ignore it.
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Anakin did bring balance in a way, at least for a time. With only yoda and obi wan left, there were two jedi, and with darth and sideous you have the two sith lords. BALANCE! |
In the beginning there were Jedi and Sith
(2) sith as all you say; master and apprentice.
(99999999999999) Jedi as y’all say
So killing (99999999999997) Jedi, leaving only 2, would create a 'character' balance but not balance to the force. (BOO YEAH!)
Now with (9999999999999999999999999999999) Jedi they still thought the force was still in the favor of the sith therefore Jedi's force IS weak.
Sith (2) were also afraid of the jedi; why?
Both sides were afraid of each other.
Jedi were afraid of the sith because the dark side would easily devour them if captured (que?)
Sith were afraid of the jedi because there was so many of them! In the beginning you aren’t afraid of one ant but when they come in numbers you run like a little school-girl.
So, in the end it was Obi-wan and Yoda on the Jedi and Ani with that ugly gay ass bitch on the sith.
Character balance but still not force balance
Obi and Yoda are weaker than ani and the other guy!
the balance goes to the sith for a while.
And then luke is born. He's a natural jedi pwns his father = restoring the balance to the jedi. THE END!
Or you could say ANI committed suicide by fucking that hot chick from closer! If he hadn’t impregnated her, Luke would have never been born.
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It is the same source with the same russian text and crappy dd 2.0 sound.
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| Posted: Mon, 30th May 2005 18:13 Post subject: |
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The emperor was beating yoda in my opinion. After the lightning explosion the emperor just fell a little way of the floating podium device but clung on, yoda on the other hand flew all the way off then ended up on his arse on the floor.
If yoda had tried to climb all the way back up, the emperor would have the advantage and would probably squish yoda by throwing podiums at him again.
Also, if you look up the facts that have been put forward you'll see the the emperor is actually more powerful anyway.
The average jedi has a midichlorian count of 10,000, yodas is about 17,000 and the emperors is about 20,000. Anakins is about 27,000 by the way.
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| Siddhartha wrote: | Darkl0rd,
Since you've taken the time to study through all of the materials surrounding the movies, could you explain a few other things...
1) Why the hell didn't Anakin or the Jedis go back to Tatooine to buy his mom? I understand the whole "no attachments" clause of being a Jedi, but why the hell would you leave your mom a slave on a desert planet for 10+ years or whatever? Felt like a plot hole... |
For us slavery is something completely terrible, but consider that anakin grew up in a society were slavery is common and perfectly normal.When he leaves home, he is not at an age were you begin questioning rules, the society, etc, and they have always been treated well by watto.
Sure, he knows that it's better to be free, and he also says that one day, when he's a Jedi he will return to free all saves, but it doesn't seem urgent to him. For this young boy, being a slave isn't good, but is isn't something horrible either. He's been one all his life.
As he grows older, he probably doesn't think about his mom too often (because of the "no attachments" clause, as you call it). He has almost forgotten.
| Siddhartha wrote: | | 2) For that matter, why wouldn't he know SOMETHING about his mom in the 10+ years he was away? You'd think she could give him a space call or something...is it that hard to call the Jedi temple? |
I'm sure that's technically possible, but again there's the "no attachments" clause. Contact with his mother is probably not allowed, or even if it's not directly forbidden, it certainly is not appreciated by the Jedi.
Consider that the Jedi would cast anakin out if they knew about him and padame. They certainly wouldn't react much differently to attachments to his mother.
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3) The whole "balancing the force" issue. Anakin was the one who would bring balance back to the force...um, what? I couldn't understand how the Jedi thought that "balancing the force" meant eliminating the Sith...there were only 2 Sith! He certainly balanced the force by helping kill most of the Jedi, but its just the whole logic behind it was stupid. Balancing something usually involves roughly equal numbers...there were a lot more Jedi...the math was fuzzy.
Anyhow, if you have logical explanations I'd enjoy hearing them because it just seemed rather sloppy to me. |
That's an often discussed topic.
Here's my take on it:
The key here is the definition of the word balance.
The Webster Online Dictionary lists 12 definitions.
Most people interpret balance only as stability produced by even distribution of weight [or power] , and that's what causing confusion.
Another (in my opinion, here more appropriate) meaning is:
mental and emotional steadiness
It's not about the number of Jedi/Sith or the power of the Jedi/Sith.
It's not about balance between Jedi and Sith at all.
It's the balance of the Force.
Somehow the force isn't in balance with itself. It's split in two.
It's not about the power levels if it's two halves either.
The very existence of the dark side, the split in the force is the imbalance.
Obi-wan says that the force is "created by all living things."
If that's true, than something - or someone - must be creating the Dark Side as well.
In the Episode 3 script Mace Windu calls the sith a disease. (unfortunately that scene has been cut from the Movie)
Following that idea, the dark Side is a sickness or, if you want, a wound in the Force, created by the sith.
By destroying the sith, you remove the cause of the sickness and heal the wound. Without anyone creating/maintaining the Dark Side, it would cease to exist. The Force isn't split any more. There is no Dark Side. There is only the Force, and it's in Balance.
Of course that’s only my theory, and if you have another, I’d surely like to hear it.
I hope the Ep3 Audio commentaries will shed more light on this.
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| Darkl0rd wrote: | | Siddhartha wrote: | Darkl0rd,
Since you've taken the time to study through all of the materials surrounding the movies, could you explain a few other things...
1) Why the hell didn't Anakin or the Jedis go back to Tatooine to buy his mom? I understand the whole "no attachments" clause of being a Jedi, but why the hell would you leave your mom a slave on a desert planet for 10+ years or whatever? Felt like a plot hole... |
For us slavery is something completely terrible, but consider that anakin grew up in a society were slavery is common and perfectly normal.When he leaves home, he is not at an age were you begin questioning rules, the society, etc, and they have always been treated well by watto.
Sure, he knows that it's better to be free, and he also says that one day, when he's a Jedi he will return to free all saves, but it doesn't seem urgent to him. For this young boy, being a slave isn't good, but is isn't something horrible either. He's been one all his life.
As he grows older, he probably doesn't think about his mom too often (because of the "no attachments" clause, as you call it). He has almost forgotten.
| Siddhartha wrote: | | 2) For that matter, why wouldn't he know SOMETHING about his mom in the 10+ years he was away? You'd think she could give him a space call or something...is it that hard to call the Jedi temple? |
I'm sure that's technically possible, but again there's the "no attachments" clause. Contact with his mother is probably not allowed, or even if it's not directly forbidden, it certainly is not appreciated by the Jedi.
Consider that the Jedi would cast anakin out if they knew about him and padame. They certainly wouldn't react much differently to attachments to his mother.
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3) The whole "balancing the force" issue. Anakin was the one who would bring balance back to the force...um, what? I couldn't understand how the Jedi thought that "balancing the force" meant eliminating the Sith...there were only 2 Sith! He certainly balanced the force by helping kill most of the Jedi, but its just the whole logic behind it was stupid. Balancing something usually involves roughly equal numbers...there were a lot more Jedi...the math was fuzzy.
Anyhow, if you have logical explanations I'd enjoy hearing them because it just seemed rather sloppy to me. |
That's an often discussed topic.
Here's my take on it:
The key here is the definition of the word balance.
The Webster Online Dictionary lists 12 definitions.
Most people interpret balance only as stability produced by even distribution of weight [or power] , and that's what causing confusion.
Another (in my opinion, here more appropriate) meaning is:
mental and emotional steadiness
It's not about the number of Jedi/Sith or the power of the Jedi/Sith.
It's not about balance between Jedi and Sith at all.
It's the balance of the Force.
Somehow the force isn't in balance with itself. It's split in two.
It's not about the power levels if it's two halves either.
The very existence of the dark side, the split in the force is the imbalance.
Obi-wan says that the force is "created by all living things."
If that's true, than something - or someone - must be creating the Dark Side as well.
In the Episode 3 script Mace Windu calls the sith a disease. (unfortunately that scene has been cut from the Movie)
Following that idea, the dark Side is a sickness or, if you want, a wound in the Force, created by the sith.
By destroying the sith, you remove the cause of the sickness and heal the wound. Without anyone creating/maintaining the Dark Side, it would cease to exist. The Force isn't split any more. There is no Dark Side. There is only the Force, and it's in Balance.
Of course that’s only my theory, and if you have another, I’d surely like to hear it.
I hope the Ep3 Audio commentaries will shed more light on this. |
Does the "no attachments" clause really extend to family members like parents? I just remember in the original Star Wars films that Luke was very attached to his friends and he didn't turn to the dark side because of it. Obi Wan seemed very attached to Anakin at the end of Ep3 (complete with screaming and what appeared to be tears, saying he loved him like a brother). Is that not attachment? I don't quite see how the definition of a Jedi is to only care for others but then they can't care too much.
Is the path of the Jedi truly to abandon everyone you know in order to serve the greater good? I just can't imagine that the Jedi would block a communication from his mom saying "Hi Annie, I'm married now! If you're ever around Tatooine, come by and visit Lars and I!" I found it extremely odd that, for all his crying and moaning about her death in Ep2, he did NOTHING to see her or even care about her condition (slave) at all. I don't care if you're born into slavery, you're not going to like it. If Anakin didn't mind slavery why would he want to free them? Even if Annie was too young, why wouldn't Obi Wan or someone else try to help him? He's having all these disturbing dreams and yet no one cared. This from the same group who fight against incredible odds in Ep2 and lose tons of Jedi in the arena just to save 3 people.
As for the force balance question, it seemed to me like there have always been Sith and will always be Sith. The fact that the Jedi have to be so careful seems to indicate that anyone is susceptible to the dark side, so can there really ever be this balance you speak of? I just hate the way that George took something that seemed awesome 30 years ago (being a Jedi), and suddenly added all these strings to it and made it seem awkward. I don't like the idea of a Jedi who can't love.
Oh, one more question for you...why didn't the Jedi care to investigate further about the clone army commissioned by a dead Jedi Master 10 years ago? I just found that point horribly convenient...the guy commissions a clone army and NO ONE ELSE KNOWS ABOUT IT??? What's worse, the guy they're cloned after is a bounty hunter/assassin who ends up fighting the Jedi in Ep2! Yet in Ep3 the Jedi are fighting alongside the clones like they're all pals, no big deal that the whole creation of the clones was insanely shady and that they were modeled on a treacherous bounty hunter.
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Here's a small summary of what I believe to be as the complete plan by Sidious, some of this points are in the ROTS book.
1. Sifo Dyas ordered the clones for the Republic. He was allied with Sidious but then Sidius had him killed by Dooku who erased the planet from the archives as well.(This point is incorrect, I remembered it wrong. Sifo Dyas ordered the clones because he foresaw change, to help the Republic. The Order was left to stand since it suited Sidious, but Sifo Dyas was killed by Dooku before he could inform the Jedi of his actions. This is explained in the Labyrinth of Evil novel.)
2a. Sidious had Dooku start a rebellion. Given the fact that the Republic needed an army, Sidious had to be given emergency powers to command that army. Since Sifo Dyas was killed, the Jedi could not question him as to why he ordered the army. Maybe they thought he was on the verge of something and believed the republic needed an army. However, since he was dead and the dark side clouded their senses, the Jedi just accepted the army as a blessing of sorts, discovered at the right time.
2b.The clones were modeled after Jango Fett, but as they are stripped of any independent thought, it could be assumed by the Jedi that Sifo Dyas simply chose the wrong man in terms of beliefs. He was a Mandalorian bounty hunter after all, and the clones are mere grunts. They don't have alliances, they just obey orders. The clones were fully obedient to the Republic at the time, so the Jedi just fought along them when the time came.
3. Sidious plays the Separatists against the republic, given more and more power from the senate to stop the war. At the same time he plans to eliminate the Jedi through an elaborate plan.
4. The Jedi eventually discover Palpatine's true identity. After a failed arrest attempt, Palpy issues the order to destroy the Jedi under the excuse that they tried to assasinate him. Since the clones obey orders and Palpatine is the supreme ruler, they follow Order 66 without questioning.
5. Palpatine explains to the senate how the Jedi tried to kill him justifying his orders. At the same time he sends Darth Vader to kill the separatists to end the war.
6. The war is over, but the Republic is reorganised into the Empire, thus Palpatine becoming the Emperor. The senate is eventually disbanded.
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| Lfctony wrote: | Here's a small summary of what I believe to be as the complete plan by Sidious, some of this points are in the ROTS book.
1. Sifo Dyas ordered the clones for the Republic. He was allied with Sidious but then Sidius had him killed by Dooku who erased the planet from the archives as well.
2a. Sidious had Dooku start a rebellion. Given the fact that the Republic needed an army, Sidious had to be given emergency powers to command that army. Since Sifo Dyas was killed, the Jedi could not question him as to why he ordered the army. Maybe they thought he was on the verge of something and believed the republic needed an army. However, since he was dead and the dark side clouded their senses, the Jedi just accepted the army as a blessing of sorts, discovered at the right time.
2b.The clones were modeled after Jango Fett, but as they are stripped of any independent thought, it could be assumed by the Jedi that Sifo Dyas simply chose the wrong man in terms of beliefs. He was a Mandalorian bounty hunter after all, and the clones are mere grunts. They don't have alliances, they just obey orders. The clones were fully obedient to the Republic at the time, so the Jedi just fought along them when the time came.
3. Sidious plays the Separatists against the republic, given more and more power from the senate to stop the war. At the same time he plans to eliminate the Jedi through an elaborate plan.
4. The Jedi eventually discover Palpatine's true identity. After a failed arrest attempt, Palpy issues the order to destroy the Jedi under the excuse that they tried to assasinate him. Since the clones obey orders and Palpatine is the supreme ruler, they follow Order 66 without questioning.
5. Palpatine explains to the senate how the Jedi tried to kill him justifying his orders. At the same time he sends Darth Vader to kill the separatists to end the war.
6. The war is over, but the Republic is reorganised into the Empire, thus Palpatine becoming the Emperor. The senate is eventually disbanded. |
quite agree with this except to elaborate on point 4.
I believe from the point of their creation the clones had order 66 sort of programmed,if you will, into their minds and it could be triggered by palpatine only.
as for the other argument elsewhere that Sideous was beating Yoda or would have won I do not agree.both had dropped lightsabers and Yoda quite obviously was able to repel, in kind, any lightning attack made by Sideous. and Sideous knew this, hence why he tried to escape(well run out) at the beginning of the fight. you mention midichlorian count Animal Mother, so then does Sideous not have a higher count than Mace Windu, yet clearly Windu would have killed him had Anakin not intervened. Its like in a fihgt, the person with the highest natural ability, does not always win.
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Yes correct, I never mentioned that. The clones obey the order because they're simple clones, but it had to be a command programmed directly into them since all Palpy says is "Execute Order 66". Also, it had to be something only the clones knew about so that it couldn't be discovered or changed by anyone.
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| Posted: Tue, 31st May 2005 16:31 Post subject: |
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Does the "no attachments" clause really extend to family members like parents? I just remember in the original Star Wars films that Luke was very attached to his friends and he didn't turn to the dark side because of it. |
It didn't, but it brought him very close to the Dark Side.
The emperor uses Lukes atachments to convert him.
Your fleet has lost. And your friends on the Endor moon will not survive. There is no escape, my young apprentice. The Alliance will die...as will your friends.
Give yourself to the dark side. It is the only way you can save your friends.
When Vader finds out about Leia and says that he'll try to convert her, Luke can't control his anger any more. He attacks Vader with all his hate, and the Emperor enjoys it, thinking he has already won.
Unlike Anakin however, Luke is able to regain control over his emotions before it is too late.
He didn't fall, but his attachments almost sealed his fate, and he knows it.
At the end celebration, Luke is sitting alone.
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He's having all these disturbing dreams and yet no one cared. |
Even Anakin himself didn't care at first. He tries to ignore the dreams because he knows he shouldn't be having them, that they are a sign of attachment.
After having that dream every night for one month, he finally can't stand it any more.
Forbidding contact with the family seems to be harsh, but given anakins reaction to his mothers death, I can fully understand that rule. If Anakin really were able to let go of his mother like the Jedi taught him, this first step towards the dark side would have never happened.
| Siddhartha wrote: | | As for the force balance question, it seemed to me like there have always been Sith and will always be Sith. The fact that the Jedi have to be so careful seems to indicate that anyone is susceptible to the dark side, so can there really ever be this balance you speak of? |
Forever? probably no.
Sure, the Jedi still have to be careful. They still have to avoid Fear, Hate, anger, attachment or else these emotions will open a new wound in the Force, recreating the Dark Side.
It certainly isn't a solution forever, but for some time the Force is in balance.
| Siddhartha wrote: | | Oh, one more question for you...why didn't the Jedi care to investigate further about the clone army commissioned by a dead Jedi Master 10 years ago? I just found that point horribly convenient...the guy commissions a clone army and NO ONE ELSE KNOWS ABOUT IT??? What's worse, the guy they're cloned after is a bounty hunter/assassin who ends up fighting the Jedi in Ep2! Yet in Ep3 the Jedi are fighting alongside the clones like they're all pals, no big deal that the whole creation of the clones was insanely shady and that they were modeled on a treacherous bounty hunter. |
See Lfctony's reply. Palpatine had the clones made. Either Sifo Dyas worked for him, or Sifo Dyas was never involved but palpatine blamed it on him.
Either way, Sifo Dyas is dead and the trail ends there. Who are you going to ask?
Jango Fett only donated DNA for the cloning process. The clones don't have his personality or his allegiance.
They are a weapon, and they Jedi are using it.
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wow, some people take these movies WAY TOO SERIOUS
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The Sifo Dyas thing is fully explained in the Labyrinth of Evil book. I remembered incorrectly that Sifo Dyas was allied with Sidious. He was not, but he foresaw the war that was coming and ordered the clones. Sidious told Dooku to kill Sifo Dyas before he informed anyone, but to leave the order stand, because they would have use for the army later on. Tyranus chose the donor(Jango Fett) though, ie Count Dooku. Here's the excerpt, that's Sidious talking to Dooku:
| Quote: | | One of your former confidants at the Jedi Temple has perceived the coming change...This one has contacted a group of cloners, regarding the creation of an army for the Republic. The order can stand, for we will be able to make use of that army someday. But Master Sifo-Dyas cannot stand, for the Jedi cannot learn about the army until we are prepared to have them learn of it. |
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| Lfctony wrote: | The Sifo Dyas thing is fully explained in the Labyrinth of Evil book. I remembered incorrectly that Sifo Dyas was allied with Sidious. He was not, but he foresaw the war that was coming and ordered the clones. Sidious told Dooku to kill Sifo Dyas before he informed anyone, but to leave the order stand, because they would have use for the army later on. Tyranus chose the donor(Jango Fett) though, ie Count Dooku. Here's the excerpt, that's Sidious talking to Dooku:
| Quote: | | One of your former confidants at the Jedi Temple has perceived the coming change...This one has contacted a group of cloners, regarding the creation of an army for the Republic. The order can stand, for we will be able to make use of that army someday. But Master Sifo-Dyas cannot stand, for the Jedi cannot learn about the army until we are prepared to have them learn of it. |
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but surely he would have informed the council and not just commisioned a clone army on his own?
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| Posted: Thu, 2nd Jun 2005 18:33 Post subject: |
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| pumbertot.1 wrote: | | Lfctony wrote: | The Sifo Dyas thing is fully explained in the Labyrinth of Evil book. I remembered incorrectly that Sifo Dyas was allied with Sidious. He was not, but he foresaw the war that was coming and ordered the clones. Sidious told Dooku to kill Sifo Dyas before he informed anyone, but to leave the order stand, because they would have use for the army later on. Tyranus chose the donor(Jango Fett) though, ie Count Dooku. Here's the excerpt, that's Sidious talking to Dooku:
| Quote: | | One of your former confidants at the Jedi Temple has perceived the coming change...This one has contacted a group of cloners, regarding the creation of an army for the Republic. The order can stand, for we will be able to make use of that army someday. But Master Sifo-Dyas cannot stand, for the Jedi cannot learn about the army until we are prepared to have them learn of it. |
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but surely he would have informed the council and not just commisioned a clone army on his own? |
He would have,but he was killed before he did. The Jedi wouldn't have approved of it anyway, not without proper authorisation from the Senate. He took an initiative but was killed before he could inform anyone of the clone army.
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