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Asdone




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PostPosted: Sat, 4th Jun 2005 23:31    Post subject:
just fixing the starforce new emulation code and we will play soon with trackmania sunrise, splinter cell and the others.
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phybre




Posts: 10

PostPosted: Sun, 5th Jun 2005 14:24    Post subject:
veseo wrote:
In the BEST possible case, Starforce 3 clones will be easily mountable, without SF nightmare and such tools. Every group is trying to CRACK the game, not just make it playable, except the clone groups of course.


I assume that by "every group" you mean one or two groups, since none of them have been able to create a generic StarForce crack, and there's no indication that they ever will.

Look up the word "elegant". In this case it refers to being able to play any StarForce protected game without having to wait 6 months for a crack.



RLD and DIE can sit and rotate if they expect me to wait or to give a shit when they finally crack SCCT, since I'll have played and beaten it with DTOOLS several months previously.
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kachain




Posts: 109

PostPosted: Sun, 5th Jun 2005 15:19    Post subject:
Well, if this message is true (DT forum administrator) then it may really change a lot.

Seeing a groving list of Starforce titles and the problems with its cracking may force people to use clones. It seems that the underestimated clones are back to "save the world" with Starforce cure. Even if Starforce will blacklist specific version of DT then DT devs can release new version on the same day.

I suppose no one wants to continue waiting months (or sometimes eternity - Toca, SCCT, Trackmania, Cossacks....) for Starforce cracks. People will switch to clones which are much more handy because of patches.

Let's hope the message is true.


I was thrown out of college for cheating on the metaphysics exam; I looked into the soul of the boy next to me.
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sentex




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PostPosted: Fri, 10th Jun 2005 19:10    Post subject:
kachain wrote:
I suppose no one wants to continue waiting months (or sometimes eternity - Toca, SCCT, Trackmania, Cossacks....) for Starforce cracks. People will switch to clones which are much more handy because of patches.

Yeah. I agree and expressed similar opinion in other thread. That's the way it will go.

If not Ultima then who? Maybe DIE but I'd love to see them joined with Reloaded. If Ultima won't come back then it will be bad situation for us but not the worst because Reloaded already can deal with middle-hard starforce titles.

Meanwhile, all hope is in Daemon Tools devs.
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Selt




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PostPosted: Fri, 10th Jun 2005 22:10    Post subject:
i told u... with the new dtools starforce clones are as easy as safedisc clones... it's not a hope... there is a betatesting running... we're sure about that
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masteryoda34




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PostPosted: Fri, 10th Jun 2005 23:35    Post subject:
Are you on the beta testing team? If so, I a, *cough* wouldn't mind if you sent me the beta. *cough*
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dr.pat




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PostPosted: Sat, 11th Jun 2005 00:04    Post subject:
Quote:
Are you on the beta testing team? If so, I a, *cough* wouldn't mind if you sent me the beta. *cough*


one post , one request!!! nice Wink
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FakeBitchKillah.inc




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PostPosted: Sat, 11th Jun 2005 00:11    Post subject:
really good news !!!

hope the new dt coming soon !!!


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bigboy177




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PostPosted: Sat, 11th Jun 2005 00:43    Post subject:
masteryoda34 wrote:
Are you on the beta testing team? If so, I a, *cough* wouldn't mind if you sent me the beta. *cough*


And *cough* you can send me SF3 source code *cough*...
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Selt




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PostPosted: Sat, 11th Jun 2005 00:46    Post subject:
masteryoda34 wrote:
Are you on the beta testing team? If so, I a, *cough* wouldn't mind if you sent me the beta. *cough*


sure, dtools dev would be pleased to send a beta of their emulator to starforce dev to let them study carefully what they've done Laughing
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lAmBaDa




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PostPosted: Sat, 11th Jun 2005 00:50    Post subject:
Selt wrote:
masteryoda34 wrote:
Are you on the beta testing team? If so, I a, *cough* wouldn't mind if you sent me the beta. *cough*


sure, dtools dev would be pleased to send a beta of their emulator to starforce dev to let them study carefully what they've done Laughing

i've a better idea: DaemonTools shares DT source code with starhorse for starhorse source code and then sells starhorse source code on eBay.

everybody would be happy, wouldn't they? Wink


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Selt




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PostPosted: Sat, 11th Jun 2005 00:51    Post subject:
lAmBaDa wrote:
Selt wrote:
masteryoda34 wrote:
Are you on the beta testing team? If so, I a, *cough* wouldn't mind if you sent me the beta. *cough*


sure, dtools dev would be pleased to send a beta of their emulator to starforce dev to let them study carefully what they've done Laughing

i've a better idea: DaemonTools swaps DT source code for starhorse source code and then DT sells starhorse source code on eBay.

everybody would be happy, wouldn't they? Wink


i second this idea
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sentex




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PostPosted: Sat, 11th Jun 2005 01:03    Post subject:
Selt wrote:
lAmBaDa wrote:
Selt wrote:
masteryoda34 wrote:
Are you on the beta testing team? If so, I a, *cough* wouldn't mind if you sent me the beta. *cough*


sure, dtools dev would be pleased to send a beta of their emulator to starforce dev to let them study carefully what they've done Laughing

i've a better idea: DaemonTools swaps DT source code for starhorse source code and then DT sells starhorse source code on eBay.

everybody would be happy, wouldn't they? Wink


i second this idea

That sucks.

Listen to this:

1. Starforce swaps the sources with Daemon Tools
2. Starforce Nightmare swaps the sources with Starforce
3. Deamon Tools uses own modified Starforce to protect DaemonTools
4. Nightmare uses own modified Starforce to protect nightmare
5. DaemonTools is released (protected with modified Starforce) as commercial software for $1.500 per copy. Of course it is able to clone all copy protections. Starforce gets %50 of each DT copy sold.
6. Nightmare is released (protected with modified Starforce) as commercial software for $500 per copy. It is able to run Starforce clones on Alcohol but you still have to turn off IDE cables. Starforce gets %50 of each Nightmare copy sold.
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Selt




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PostPosted: Sat, 11th Jun 2005 01:06    Post subject:
open source for everyone...
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lAmBaDa




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PostPosted: Sat, 11th Jun 2005 01:24    Post subject:
Selt wrote:
open source for everyone...

that's right. pure and simple.

Sentex: ur idea is sick. mine was better bcoz it was almost open source (well let's call it "open eBay"). your dark scenario strengthens the position of starbitch and is too complicated. they'd kill each other, especially when you consider that starbitch is russian and nightmare is ukrainian (with respect to these nations).

let's make starcrap code opensource and then move ourselves to another planet where people are monkeys.... so we could use our "backups" without fright of another starbitch like protection for hundreds of years
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sentex




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PostPosted: Sat, 11th Jun 2005 10:57    Post subject:
lAmBaDa wrote:
Selt wrote:
open source for everyone...

that's right. pure and simple.

Sentex: ur idea is sick. mine was better bcoz it was almost open source (well let's call it "open eBay"). your dark scenario strengthens the position of starbitch and is too complicated. they'd kill each other, especially when you consider that starbitch is russian and nightmare is ukrainian (with respect to these nations).

let's make starcrap code opensource and then move ourselves to another planet where people are monkeys.... so we could use our "backups" without fright of another starbitch like protection for hundreds of years

Hehe! Sick? Then what would you say for this:

1. Starforce buys Ultima lads to strengthen the protection and keep them trying on cracking each new version before official release
2. Starforce buys Nigthmare lads (lad?) to strengthen CD emulation protection and keep working on it

THAT is sick! And now say honestly: impossible? That's very possible and easy to realize (well maybe it would be a bit harder to get in contact with Ultima since they're not from scene but money can do anything). Let's hope that these lads (Ultima and Nightmare) will not sell their souls and remember that a lot of people say that Starforce developers are past active and known crackers Shocked .
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CableMunkeh




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PostPosted: Sun, 12th Jun 2005 14:49    Post subject:
I think it's quite clear just by watching and understanding the Ultima nfos and installers that hell would freeze over before they joined Starforce development.
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vidi




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PostPosted: Sun, 12th Jun 2005 14:57    Post subject:
hell would freeze over if the board of directors of hell were given enough money
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kachain




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PostPosted: Sun, 12th Jun 2005 15:13    Post subject:
CableMunkeh wrote:
I think it's quite clear just by watching and understanding the Ultima nfos and installers that hell would freeze over before they joined Starforce development.

What do you mean by that (I didn't get it)?


I was thrown out of college for cheating on the metaphysics exam; I looked into the soul of the boy next to me.
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highstuff




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PostPosted: Sun, 12th Jun 2005 15:41    Post subject:
kachain wrote:
CableMunkeh wrote:
I think it's quite clear just by watching and understanding the Ultima nfos and installers that hell would freeze over before they joined Starforce development.

What do you mean by that (I didn't get it)?


Well he means probably that Ultima crew would never ever join Starforce team .
Ultima likes to KILL protections not to create them. I agree with them completely Razz Smile
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CableMunkeh




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PostPosted: Sun, 12th Jun 2005 16:20    Post subject:
kachain wrote:
CableMunkeh wrote:
I think it's quite clear just by watching and understanding the Ultima nfos and installers that hell would freeze over before they joined Starforce development.

What do you mean by that (I didn't get it)?


The vibe coming from Ultima isn't really compatible with the corporate ideals that would, necessarily, have to come from Starforce / Protection Technologies.
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kachain




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PostPosted: Sun, 12th Jun 2005 17:20    Post subject:
Ahh, I understand and have similar opinion. Looks like they're not related to the scene, nor protection market (but who knows).

Unrelated somehow.


I was thrown out of college for cheating on the metaphysics exam; I looked into the soul of the boy next to me.
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CableMunkeh




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PostPosted: Sun, 12th Jun 2005 18:11    Post subject:
kachain wrote:
Ahh, I understand and have similar opinion. Looks like they're not related to the scene, nor protection market (but who knows).

Unrelated somehow.


Indeed who does know, however if they were in this for gain they would be cracking a lot more titles and releasing them in order to gain credit, which they are not.

Also the installers, etc, remind me more of old school cracking rather than a 'for profit' group.
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Freakshow




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PostPosted: Sun, 12th Jun 2005 18:28    Post subject:
highstuff wrote:

Well he means probably that Ultima crew would never ever join Starforce team .
Ultima likes to KILL protections not to create them. I agree with them completely Razz Smile


Ultima guy cant join sf3 team Smile

he has a different and very secure job and he wont leave it to code for russians Smile.russia has more talented coders/crackers then needed to create every step powerfuller sf Razz
same is with austria guys from DADC for sony or spain/protugese guys
working on a different protection.
Better pray that ULTMIA main guy and the other polish heros around in UCF/F4CG/ECLIPSE never start doing a own protection Smile
It would hurt more then sf3 Smile but hey maybe then the russians would crack it to make sf3 back nr1 Smile who knows
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lAmBaDa




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PostPosted: Sun, 12th Jun 2005 19:30    Post subject:
Freakshow wrote:

Better pray that ULTMIA main guy and the other polish heros around in UCF/F4CG/ECLIPSE never start doing a own protection Smile
It would hurt more then sf3 Smile but hey maybe then the russians would crack it to make sf3 back nr1 Smile who knows

that would be fun! ultima vs starbitch
i wonder who is more talented? as legend speaks ultima = 1 person and starforce? 5? 10? i'd ROFL for the rest of my life if he could make a protection strong enought to stop starbitch team (and all the scene). fuck!

starforce read nforce (greetings to sage386@star-force.ru), do u think ultima guy too?
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CableMunkeh




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PostPosted: Sun, 12th Jun 2005 19:44    Post subject:
Some work for Starforce mail admins to do in the very near future anyway, that email address also links to his star-force.com account (no I ain't posting that up, anyone with a little knowledge should find it easy to get this info).
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kachain




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PostPosted: Sun, 12th Jun 2005 20:18    Post subject:
lAmBaDa wrote:
Freakshow wrote:

Better pray that ULTMIA main guy and the other polish heros around in UCF/F4CG/ECLIPSE never start doing a own protection Smile
It would hurt more then sf3 Smile but hey maybe then the russians would crack it to make sf3 back nr1 Smile who knows

that would be fun! ultima vs starbitch
i wonder who is more talented? as legend speaks ultima = 1 person and starforce? 5? 10? i'd ROFL for the rest of my life if he could make a protection strong enought to stop starbitch team (and all the scene). fuck!

starforce read nforce (greetings to sage386@star-force.ru), do u think ultima guy too?

Yes, he does. His mail is ultima@star-force.ru but please keep it private.


I was thrown out of college for cheating on the metaphysics exam; I looked into the soul of the boy next to me.
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sentex




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PostPosted: Sun, 12th Jun 2005 20:29    Post subject:
Freakshow wrote:

Better pray that ULTMIA main guy and the other polish heros around in UCF/F4CG/ECLIPSE never start doing a own protection Smile
It would hurt more then sf3 Smile

Yeah, I thought about the same much earlier (after Conlin 2005 crack).

kachain wrote:

Yes, he does. His mail is ultima@star-force.ru but please keep it private.

Can someone try this email address? Cool
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rap3r




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PostPosted: Sun, 12th Jun 2005 20:41    Post subject:
Actually I wouldn't laugh. ULTiMA as the only group made an intro with different screenshots of forums saying that Star force is not crackable.

If any group reads forums - especially NFOrce - then I'd say it's ULTiMA. Of course ULTiMA will not speak here but I'd guess they read NFOrce forum and especially Star force thread. No kidding, think about it.
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MartinW




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PostPosted: Sun, 12th Jun 2005 20:57    Post subject:
Then I want to be on the poster Very Happy (Ultima, please use it in Splinter Cell)

Starforce in uncrackable! There will be no Splinter Cell crack! Go buy this game!

Come on Sage386! Tell them I am right Wink
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