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Slizza
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That's clock for clock single threaded performance. Being able to match the 2600k for that is great.
If you have the cash for spending on computer stuff then it's a awesome chip.
Games are becoming better with multi threaded cpu's and that will continue putting the 2011 at a advantage over a 2600k or any other quad system.
Saying anybody who buys this for there gaming rig is a "fucking idiot" is wrong.
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| Posted: Tue, 15th Nov 2011 18:58 Post subject: |
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| Slizza wrote: | That's clock for clock single threaded performance. Being able to match the 2600k for that is great.
If you have the cash for spending on computer stuff then it's a awesome chip.
Games are becoming better with multi threaded cpu's and that will continue putting the 2011 at a advantage over a 2600k or any other quad system.
Saying anybody who buys this for there gaming rig is a "fucking idiot" is wrong. |
No it isn't. And yes, I reserve the right to call you a 'fucking idiot' if you waste thousands on a platform which offers no improvement over the cheaper one. You can make up any silly excuse you like. The benchmarks show what they show. Nor are games expected to truly benefit from something like this for at least another three to four years.
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Slizza
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| Posted: Tue, 15th Nov 2011 21:49 Post subject: |
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Did you buy a 2600k? you sound kinda butthurt that something faster is available.
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| Posted: Tue, 15th Nov 2011 23:54 Post subject: |
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When games will be using 6 cores and hyperthreading effectively, SB-E will be as good as 486DX2. Ofcourse if you are playing benchmarks, then SB-E would be nice (for its price its not worth for these days games, as its seen its not any better than normal SB in games).
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| Posted: Wed, 16th Nov 2011 00:08 Post subject: |
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Stop being butthurt, Breezer!
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| Posted: Wed, 16th Nov 2011 00:18 Post subject: |
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| Slizza wrote: | | Did you buy a 2600k? you sound kinda butthurt that something faster is available. |
You're trying to justify your future purchase in any possible way.
This CPU line is mainly targeted at professional users - servers, rendering farms, encoding tasks, heavy multi-threaded applications and so forth.
Yes, it can be used for gaming as well - nobody denies that and has ever tried doing so - but if it's being bought for that purpose alone in the presence of far more inexpensive equivalents in terms of performance, it's only extravagant prodigality in my eyes and nothing more.
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Slizza
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| Posted: Wed, 16th Nov 2011 03:13 Post subject: |
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| human_steel wrote: | | Slizza wrote: | | Did you buy a 2600k? you sound kinda butthurt that something faster is available. |
You're trying to justify your future purchase in any possible way.
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Nope, i'm waiting for 8 cores/far greater performance than what i already have.
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| Posted: Wed, 16th Nov 2011 04:01 Post subject: |
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Btw these new top Sandy Bridge E processors have two cores and a part of their cache memory disabled. I looked at what the Ivy Bridge might deliver and find the SBE a bit of an in-between technology that I don't need. Too expensive, too much power consumption.
Still hope AMD is going to get a comeback otherwise we are stuck with monopolist Intel.
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| Posted: Wed, 16th Nov 2011 11:14 Post subject: |
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Can it be used for gaming? Yes.
Is it a gaming platform? No.
Why? Simple:
- 12 threads is massive overkill; games barely hit 4 nowadays, the first and only game to really stress even a Lynnfield is BF3.
- 15 megs of cache? If you think that helps your gaming then.."ok" 
- 35+ GB/s memory bandwidth doesn't help games AT ALL - even the 20-21 GB you get with a 990X or 2600K and DDR3-1600 is about 1.5-2 times more than games can use.
- Memory latencies have in fact gone UP which won't be noticeable, but technically has a NEGATIVE effect on gaming
If you buy one of these JUST FOR GAMING - yes, you are a fucking retard, because you just paid 3 times too much on the CPU alone, aside from the rest of the more expensive platform. It is massively multithreaded, huge memory bandwidth, nice and large cache - all awesome properties for a workstation and in that field this thing rules. But for gaming? No.
Saying this thing is meant for gaming or that it's a gaming platform is just as stupid as saying that Fermi was not a fuckup. You can have your Veyron for a lap around the Nordschleife, I'll stick with a 911 GT2 or GT-R and still beat you.
Edit: the 130W TDP is also undesirable obviously, both for power consumption as well as heat production.
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| Posted: Wed, 16th Nov 2011 11:57 Post subject: |
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| Werelds wrote: | | - 15 megs of cache? If you think that helps your gaming then.."ok" |
Shut up, it does help! 
1-2% performance increase right there.
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| Posted: Wed, 16th Nov 2011 12:02 Post subject: |
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Sandy Bridge...or Ivy?...worth the wait...or what? <<
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Slizza
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| Posted: Wed, 16th Nov 2011 17:11 Post subject: |
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| Werelds wrote: | Can it be used for gaming? Yes.
Is it a gaming platform? No.
Why? Simple:
- 12 threads is massive overkill; games barely hit 4 nowadays, the first and only game to really stress even a Lynnfield is BF3.
- 15 megs of cache? If you think that helps your gaming then.."ok"
- 35+ GB/s memory bandwidth doesn't help games AT ALL - even the 20-21 GB you get with a 990X or 2600K and DDR3-1600 is about 1.5-2 times more than games can use.
- Memory latencies have in fact gone UP which won't be noticeable, but technically has a NEGATIVE effect on gaming
If you buy one of these JUST FOR GAMING - yes, you are a fucking retard, because you just paid 3 times too much on the CPU alone, aside from the rest of the more expensive platform. It is massively multithreaded, huge memory bandwidth, nice and large cache - all awesome properties for a workstation and in that field this thing rules. But for gaming? No.
Saying this thing is meant for gaming or that it's a gaming platform is just as stupid as saying that Fermi was not a fuckup. You can have your Veyron for a lap around the Nordschleife, I'll stick with a 911 GT2 or GT-R and still beat you.
Edit: the 130W TDP is also undesirable obviously, both for power consumption as well as heat production. |
It's being sold/marketed as a gaming platform too so it's a gaming platform weather it's the best cost/performance or not...deal with it.
Too think being a gaming platform is defined purely on cost/performance relative to another platform is moronic.
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| Posted: Wed, 16th Nov 2011 17:41 Post subject: |
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They can market it as anything - it's not like it's actually bad for gaming. It's just unreasonable considering the price.
People already on i5/i7-s can easily afford to wait, and those still on the older Quads or Duals will see the more reasonably priced CPUs much more appealing (assumption is: if they still haven't upgraded, price is a big factor).
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| Posted: Wed, 16th Nov 2011 18:14 Post subject: |
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Damn, lots of butthurt people around here.
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| Posted: Wed, 16th Nov 2011 18:22 Post subject: |
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I just took a big poo. My butt sort of hurts right now.
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Werelds
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| Posted: Wed, 16th Nov 2011 20:14 Post subject: |
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| Slizza wrote: | It's being sold/marketed as a gaming platform too so it's a gaming platform weather it's the best cost/performance or not...deal with it.
Too think being a gaming platform is defined purely on cost/performance relative to another platform is moronic. |
If marketing is all you care about, then I suppose your next system will consist of one of these, a Gigabyte Gx Sniper-master-sergeant-of-super-master-sergeants-deluxe motherboard, the next Asus Mars, a Thermaltake Level 10 and all the other "ULTIMATE GAMING" stuff right?
No? But they all match their peers that cost less than a third, surely they're worth their cost as well?
There is nothing that makes this platform worth its triple price tag for gaming over its "weaker" siblings. And unless suddenly all developers in the whole world realise they can actually use that horsepower, I don't see it happening in the next 2 years.
If you actually use that power for other tasks such as video encoding, then by all means, it's worth it. But then we get to exactly what my point was, your PC is more of a workstation in that case, even if you only render your gaming videos for fun.
I've had one of the extreme editions in the past and it sucked balls for gaming and most of the desktop use I could come up with. It's still doing its job fine in my download/fileserver now though, despite its age.
Also, what happened to your grammar there? Typed it in a rush or on a phone or something? Not used to that from you o_O
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Slizza
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| Posted: Thu, 17th Nov 2011 00:01 Post subject: |
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It's a platform you can play games on = gaming platform.
I never said it wasn't costly for a gaming platform. Only that it's a gaming platform too.
I'm not going to buy into it no. I think the next generation will be time for me to move.
8 cores please and decently improved single threaded performance over current gen.
I don't see sandy CPU's as a worthwhile investment for me.
For some people a grand is not a big investment and the money is there to be spent.
So if you can comfortably afford this stuff then it's all good as saving some cash is something you wont notice.
Extra performance and better "future proofing" is something you will.
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| Posted: Thu, 17th Nov 2011 09:54 Post subject: |
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| Slizza wrote: | | It's a platform you can play games on = gaming platform. |
You can play games on dual Xeon systems as well, or on PowerPC, or..oh wait, every CPU known to mankind has games that run on it, so by that definition there's nothing that makes a platform NOT a gaming platform? Come on Slizza, I know you're stubborn, but you might as well start claiming Quadro/FireGL cards are worth it for gaming as that is the exact same bullshit. Right tool for the job and all that.
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Slizza
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| Posted: Thu, 17th Nov 2011 16:42 Post subject: |
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My point still stands, by your logic a dual Xeon (LOL HI MAC PRO) or PPC are a "gaming platform", as are Quadro/FireGL.
Fuck, even Tesla is a gaming platform then, because you can render games on them just fine and potentially faster than other cards (when games start relying on GPGPU to do their shit and heavily load balance their hundreds of threads). You just can't display the results. Same goes for Quadro/FireGL, they can do it just fine - potentially better when games start doing DFP stuff.
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Slizza
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| Posted: Thu, 17th Nov 2011 17:11 Post subject: |
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You don't even have a point.
Nothing you have said makes the new 2011 platform not a gaming platform too.
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