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ixigia
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Holy Fuck. That's huge 
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| Posted: Fri, 11th Nov 2011 00:47 Post subject: |
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That's what she said!
TWIN PEAKS is "something of a miracle."
"...like nothing else on television."
"a phenomenon."
"A tangled tale of sex, violence, power, junk food..."
"Like Nothing On Earth"
~ WHAT THEY'RE TRYING TO SAY CAN ONLY BE SEEN ~
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CHTUOgYNRzY
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| Posted: Tue, 15th Nov 2011 15:32 Post subject: |
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xExtreme
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| Posted: Sun, 20th Nov 2011 15:37 Post subject: |
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They don't work on weekends. Edit: AFAIK
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| Posted: Sun, 20th Nov 2011 16:29 Post subject: |
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| Posted: Sat, 26th Nov 2011 14:40 Post subject: |
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Gabe Says Piracy Isn't About Price
| Quote: | Here's Valve's co-founder and CEO Gabe Newell talking about piracy in the games industry. The man behind online retail service Steam tackles those who claim that lower prices for games will make piracy go away, and he takes on companies that seek to fight piracy by inconveniencing consumers.
"We think there is a fundamental misconception about piracy," Newell said. "Piracy is almost always a service problem and not a pricing problem. For example, if a pirate offers a product anywhere in the world, 24/7, purchasable from the convenience of your personal computer, and the legal provider says the product is region-locked, will come to your country three months after the U.S. release and can only be purchased at a brick and mortar store, then the pirate's service is more valuable.
"Most DRM solutions diminish the value of the product by either directly restricting a customer's use or by creating uncertainty."
He adds, "Our goal is to create greater service value than pirates, and this has been successful enough for us that piracy is basically a non-issue for our company. For example, prior to entering the Russian market, we were told that Russia was a waste of time because everyone would pirate our products. Russia is now about to become our largest market in Europe.
"Our success comes from making sure that both customers and partners feel like they get a lot of value from those services. They can trust us not to take advantage of the relationship that we have with them."
"We usually think of ourselves as customer centric rather than production centric. Most of our decisions are based on the rapidly evolving opportunities to better serve our customers, and not on optimizing to be a better game company or digital distributor. The latter focus would be more of a straitjacket than conceptual aid." |
http://games.ign.com/articles/121/1213357p1.html
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| Posted: Sat, 26th Nov 2011 15:07 Post subject: |
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Riposte
TWIN PEAKS is "something of a miracle."
"...like nothing else on television."
"a phenomenon."
"A tangled tale of sex, violence, power, junk food..."
"Like Nothing On Earth"
~ WHAT THEY'RE TRYING TO SAY CAN ONLY BE SEEN ~
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CHTUOgYNRzY
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chiv
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| Posted: Sun, 27th Nov 2011 00:08 Post subject: |
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gabe has blinders on if he doesnt think price has a significant bearing on piracy.
$10 usd for arkham asylum on steam sale? BOUGHT.
$100 usd that steam is charging for arkham city? NOT EVER, EVEN IF IT COULD NEVER EVER BE PIRATED - NOT. EVER.
people buy stuff theyd usually pirate, when the price becomes REASONABLE, not this overinflated bullshit publishers currently charge, and to me it sounds like gabes trying to just take it off the table so that his money pool remains nice and full for his daily swim.
just reading this shit pisses me off... the guy has the balls to stand there and talk about "value", while arkham city is on sale on his steam platform for $100 fucking USD.
pricing isnt the magic bullet that will end piracy, but it IS a huge factor. we see that here, on this forum, every fucking day. gabe is full of it in this case.
and btw... isnt russia doing so well for steam because their prices are so insanely LOW? would love to see how well gabe feels russia is working out for them if steam started charging $100 usd per fucking GAME.
oh, and:
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For example, if a pirate offers a product anywhere in the world, 24/7, purchasable from the convenience of your personal computer, and the legal provider says the product is region-locked, will come to your country three months after the U.S. release... |
THAT. IS. EXACTLY. WHAT. STEAM. DOES. ON. BEHALF. OF. PUBLISHERS.
it does regional pricing, AND regional release dates. come on gabe, if you're going to talk that BULLSHIT, atleast go in the ring for us, and try and put an end to this shit on your own fucking system before you start opening your fat mouth about how its so bad.
Last edited by chiv on Sun, 27th Nov 2011 00:12; edited 1 time in total
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| Posted: Sun, 27th Nov 2011 00:12 Post subject: |
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| chiv wrote: | | and btw... isnt russia doing so well for steam because their prices are so insanely LOW? would love to see how well gabe feels russia is working out for them if steam started charging $100 usd per fucking GAME. |
No. Read potatoman's reply and mine: http://www.nfohump.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=1711993#1711993
The prices have been lowered just this September.
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chiv
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| Posted: Sun, 27th Nov 2011 00:15 Post subject: |
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fine, but i still query how well games would sell for $100 usd over there...
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| Posted: Sun, 27th Nov 2011 00:20 Post subject: |
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| chiv wrote: | | fine, but i still query how well games would sell for $100 usd over there... |
Correct me if I'm way off, but a $50 game for Russians might be the equivalent of a $100 game in your country in terms of how absurdly high of a price it is. And I don't believe you have organized piracy on a mass scale in your country like, I think - correct me if I'm wrong, they have.
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chiv
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| Posted: Sun, 27th Nov 2011 00:25 Post subject: |
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so hang on, if $50 to them is as absurd as $100 for us, why did steam bother to drop prices only in russia if prices have no bearing on piracy? why not leave them high like they do for other regions so that steam makes more money?
i mean if russia sells the same amount regardless of price, and customers love steam the same amount as well, whats the business sense in dropping the price?
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chiv
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| Posted: Sun, 27th Nov 2011 00:31 Post subject: |
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look, ill accept that price isnt the ONLY reason steam has made headway in russia, but i will %100 contest what gabe says about pricing not effecting piracy... and i also maintain that hes being hypocritical when he talks about service and value while his platform STILL supports regional pricing AND distribution dates, especially while he doesnt seem interested in standing up for gamers and putting an end to that bs.
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| Posted: Sun, 27th Nov 2011 00:34 Post subject: |
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| chiv wrote: | so hang on, if $50 to them is as absurd as $100 for us, why did steam bother to drop prices only in russia if prices have no bearing on piracy? why not leave them high like they do for other regions so that steam makes more money?
i mean if russia sells the same amount regardless of price, and customers love steam the same amount as well, whats the business sense in dropping the price? |
Wait... so, let's say that Steam is uncrackable. And there's no piracy. EVER.
Still that doesn't mean that a $20 game won't attract more customers than a $50 game.
Piracy or not, a cheaper price will attract more customers, that's a fact. And if a country is that poor that almost nobody buys it for $50, why not make the default price lower.
Why it hasn't happened for you? Either you aren't that poor or you haven't whined enough.
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| Posted: Sun, 27th Nov 2011 00:48 Post subject: |
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| consolitis wrote: | | BTW PC gamers in Russia > console gamers |
Yes. Because millions of people througout the world are russian when it comes to buying cheap CD keys.
I think that practice would skew the numbers far too much for it to remain meaningful.
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| Posted: Sun, 27th Nov 2011 00:56 Post subject: |
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They probably keep track of location, not the 'identity' of the keys, when doing such stats.
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| Posted: Sun, 27th Nov 2011 02:29 Post subject: |
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I'd imagine the figures come from actual sales figures as thats the only thing they really care about.
Also surveys would be fairly meaningless. "Did you buy x?" "Yes sir, of course I did, I would never pirate it."
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| Posted: Sun, 27th Nov 2011 02:42 Post subject: |
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| EwarWoo1 wrote: | I'd imagine the figures come from actual sales figures as thats the only thing they really care about.
Also surveys would be fairly meaningless. "Did you buy x?" "Yes sir, of course I did, I would never pirate it." |
You are asking the wrong question. "How many games did you buy this year?" is the correct one. You can say 0 without revealing you are a pirate.
And since among the stats there are things like how many people use Nokia phones, it's obvious surveys were part of this research, to be possible to know that kind of thing.
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| Posted: Sun, 27th Nov 2011 11:35 Post subject: |
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What Gabe said about local publishers is true - after Steam started crowding retail market, if there is a new Steam-exclusive game around, it would be available in Russia retail stores usually on day 1 (already translated), sometimes days later after WW release - but never months. Although I won't choose a localized version over original english since translations always suck here, it's still a better situation for most mainstream  gamers.
| chiv wrote: | so hang on, if $50 to them is as absurd as $100 for us, why did steam bother to drop prices only in russia if prices have no bearing on piracy? why not leave them high like they do for other regions so that steam makes more money?
i mean if russia sells the same amount regardless of price, and customers love steam the same amount as well, whats the business sense in dropping the price? |
With introduction of regional prices they increased attention to Steam with their "Steam now in rubles" ad. They also added support of at least 2 major payment processors in Russia. PayPal was removed though. I'd say they got tons of new customers just because of this, enough to cover the real price differences.
I myself never could afford a $50 game - most of my purchases were sales and discounts, never >$20 I believe.
So it wasn't really a price reduction, they just adapted deeper in russian game market. Although we still have retail console games selling for $60-100.
What are the PC retail prices in Australia btw, lower than Steam or not?
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garus
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| Posted: Sun, 27th Nov 2011 11:47 Post subject: |
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Last edited by garus on Tue, 27th Aug 2024 21:32; edited 1 time in total
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