think mother Theresa comparison if a bit stretching it
his message isn't anything mind blowing, or revolutionary really..its just common sense mixed with good morals (for the songs hes actually talking about something positive)
but its nothing more than "bad things suck, good things are good, try to do good things, as doing bad things to good people is bad"
i mean hes got his typical hip hop "bitchez and Ho'z" songs...and hes got ones going with the 'positive message' that's "even if you have a bad life, you can make it good".I personally cant see anything in his positive messages that isn't just common sense to anyone. philosophical? not really. deep meaning? not really.
just a long winded, overly complicated mix of words to sound deep, because he thinks hes 'seeing the world for what it really is" to say the simple saying that everyone knows already... "keep your chin up, not everything that keeps you down is permanent! step back and you will see this"
I mean no offense to anyone by it, but if his lyrics do bring you some inner enlightenment, or to some sudden realization, its not that HE'S speaking truth beyond what is real. He's doing nothing more than point out obvious things. its that you was obliviously ignorant to the way things workout to start with
again, he DOES have a message hes trying to get across, but its nothing new by far. nothing that hasn't been said by millions since mankind formed words..but hes so full of himself since HE just came to the realization of this fact, he thinks its all new, thinking hes the only one that realizes it..that its a bit embarrassing to watch him try to get it across like its a message from some messiah
-We don't control what happens to us in life, but we control how we respond to what happens in life.
-Hard times create strong men, strong men create good times, good times create weak men, and weak men create hard times. -G. Michael Hopf
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freiwald - Can you link me to anything of lil b, that isn't satire?
I pray its satire, its almost too painful to watch without some hope that its parody of "celebs that want to be seen as caring too much with their false sense of deep understanding" type of situation.
-We don't control what happens to us in life, but we control how we respond to what happens in life.
-Hard times create strong men, strong men create good times, good times create weak men, and weak men create hard times. -G. Michael Hopf
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think mother Theresa comparison if a bit stretching it
his message isn't anything mind blowing, or revolutionary really..its just common sense mixed with good morals (for the songs hes actually talking about something positive)
but its nothing more than "bad things suck, good things are good, try to do good things, as doing bad things to good people is bad"
i mean hes got his typical hip hop "bitchez and Ho'z" songs...and hes got ones going with the 'positive message' that's "even if you have a bad life, you can make it good".I personally cant see anything in his positive messages that isn't just common sense to anyone. philosophical? not really. deep meaning? not really.
just a long winded, overly complicated mix of words to sound deep, because he thinks hes 'seeing the world for what it really is" to say the simple saying that everyone knows already... "keep your chin up, not everything that keeps you down is permanent! step back and you will see this"
I mean no offense to anyone by it, but if his lyrics do bring you some inner enlightenment, or to some sudden realization, its not that HE'S speaking truth beyond what is real. He's doing nothing more than point out obvious things. its that you was obliviously ignorant to the way things workout to start with
again, he DOES have a message hes trying to get across, but its nothing new by far. nothing that hasn't been said by millions since mankind formed words..but hes so full of himself since HE just came to the realization of this fact, he thinks its all new, thinking hes the only one that realizes it..that its a bit embarrassing to watch him try to get it across like its a message from some messiah
When, several times, I presented the exact same argument that you're presenting now, I was labeled as elitist, offensive and disrespectful of other people's tastes and personalities, and ultimately banned for it.
What is the difference between you stating it and I stating it?
When, several times, I presented the exact same argument that you're presenting now, I was labeled as elitist, offensive and disrespectful of other people's tastes and personalities, and ultimately banned for it.
What was the difference between you saying them and myself?
-Ronhrin
I don't think its what you said, its how to say it most the time.
its like the difference between seeing a hot chick with a guy and going:
"you have a very sexy wife"
and
"Would you mind if I had sex with your wife".
both convey the same message, that she is attractive, and you think think hes lucky to have her, and showing your envious of it....but one comes off as a compliment, while the other just pisses the guy off
you present yours as fact, while belittling those that disagree as "not seeing the truth, and too ignorant to realize it. but its OK, because I'm smart enough for both of us, to know I'm right".
that's the take I always got from it. and the reasoning behind it might be totally different, and others see it differently. Just giving you one mans view on how it came across to him.
You had good argumentative points, and good debate topics.
but it always reminded me of the Dana Carvey skit on SLN doing the The McLaughlin Group, with you being Dana Carvey
WRONG!!
-We don't control what happens to us in life, but we control how we respond to what happens in life.
-Hard times create strong men, strong men create good times, good times create weak men, and weak men create hard times. -G. Michael Hopf
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Way to simplify matters, Ron You're making out that you only once said, in a very rational tone and with utmost respect to those involved, that someone else's music taste was poor. The truth couldn't be further from; you practically terrorised the "Now Playing" section, pouncing on everyone and belittling them day after day after day if they even dared mention a song or band that you disliked. You offended people, you insulted people, all because they like music you don't.
When, several times, I presented the exact same argument that you're presenting now, I was labeled as elitist, offensive and disrespectful of other people's tastes and personalities, and ultimately banned for it.
What was the difference between you saying them and myself?
-Ronhrin
I don't think its what you said, its how to say it most the time.
its like the difference between seeing a hot chick with a guy and going:
"you have a very sexy wife"
and
"Would you mind if I had sex with your wife".
both convey the same message, that she is attractive, and you think think hes lucky to have her, and showing your envious of it....but one comes off as a compliment, while the other just pisses the guy off
you present yours as fact, while belittling those that disagree as "not seeing the truth, and too ignorant to realize it. but its OK, because I'm smart enough for both of us, to know I'm right".
that's the take I always got from it. and the reasoning behind it might be totally different, and others see it differently. Just giving you one mans view on how it came across to him.
You had good argumentative points, and good debate topics.
but it always reminded me of the Dana Carvey skit on SLN doing the The McLaughlin Group, with you being Dana Carvey
WRONG!!
@DXWarlock
Spoiler:
What I presented as fact was demonstrable and demonstrated as such.
I recognize and acknowledge that I was somewhat out of line on some occasions, particularly on the last weeks prior to my ban and immediately after it. I acknowledge exactly where I was out of line.
That being said, and as a insight on your reply, I have two justifications for my inconsiderate behavior, the first being my excuse of being stressed and dealing with some personal problems that I couldn't handle in a reasonable manner, and the second being the viewpoint that facts shouldn't be overshadowed by opinions or beliefs.
I understand your example of "the hot wife" but you have to bear in mind that both arguments that you've presented arise from a subjective sexual desire of having sex with that given women, in one example the man is being polite according to social conventions, and in the other example, he is being outright offensive if the same social conventions are considered.
However, the argument itself is mute, due to the fact that it arises from a subjective nature.
A more appropriate argument would be for example, an Atheist having a conversation with a Christian, where in one example the Atheist states that there is no reason for him to belief in the Christian god, and in the other example he states that since there is several logical inconsistencies in the bible and several paradoxes with the Christian god, he states that everyone who beliefs in it, is unreasonable and stupid.
I based most of my post behaving like the second example of this previous argument, and I had reasons to do it, I will not do it again though since I've realized that even if I stand correct in such regard, I will never captivate those who I deem as wrong to consider other views.
reading too much into the example adding weight to parts of it that wasn't part of the original statement, to bend the entire argument to your side, by skewing one point of it as invalid, and expecting a defacto "if that's wrong its all wrong"
It was MERELY stated as such, that it was a "the way you say it, not what you say". it was nothing more, or less than that.. a simple and to the point example of "how you say things makes a difference."
in no way does the subject matter of the example matter, its the point of exposing in ANY situation how you form your words provokes different reactions.
be it sexual attraction, wanting food, telling someone to get out the way of a bus, that someones their hair is on fire, that god is fake, that god is real. that you just farted...
the subject at hand makes no difference, the delivery of it does...that was my entire point.
and do you really want to hijack yet another thread and derail it for the mere point of pointing out you was right on another thread?
-We don't control what happens to us in life, but we control how we respond to what happens in life.
-Hard times create strong men, strong men create good times, good times create weak men, and weak men create hard times. -G. Michael Hopf
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Way to simplify matters, Ron You're making out that you only once said, in a very rational tone and with utmost respect to those involved, that someone else's music taste was poor. The truth couldn't be further from; you practically terrorised the "Now Playing" section, pouncing on everyone and belittling them day after day after day if they even dared mention a song or band that you disliked. You offended people, you insulted people, all because they like music you don't.
Stop playing the victim.
I'm not playing the victim, I'm responding to the very real issue that if I ever made the exact same post that DXwarlock just made, before I was banned, the replies to my post would be very different from the replies DXwarlock would have, even though we were stating the exact same thing.
Yes, I acknowledge that lately, prior to my ban I would came out of my way to deliberately criticize and offend everyone who posted something that "I didn't liked", and I was wrong for it and would never do it again, and no matter how many times I say that it wouldn't happen again, the forum will not give me the change to prove that the underlying reasons that lead to my ban will never happen again.
That fact that you realise it was wrong to treat people the way you did, and that you're actually remorseful and apologetic about it, is enough for most people. We're not staff though
Don't put so much emotional energy into it Rhon..its just a forum. come or go, in the end of the day who and what is said on it is just fluff..
its a random forum, on a random server, populated with random people...
it was here before I knew it existed and I was fine, and if banned, It and me will go on with life still.
I think it was more your zealot like determination to keep a topic alive to debate, long after the others have moved on agreeing to a stalemate, and asking you to let it go but you wouldnt..for the simple fact you want to go "no no guys, really get back on this topic, I haven't finished proving you are wrong, and I was right!"
There is billions of people online, you wont agree with all of them, and 99.9999% of them it shouldn't matter if you do, or if your right, or if they are wrong. have fun with the debate, and move on when its necessary going "had fun doing that as a time killer arguing my side".
not as a "hey new blissfully ignorant people, that haven't realized my vast knowledge, I must beat into them the error of their ways until they agree that even if they don't like it, MY outlook IS far superior"
Think of debates on a internet forum as a sport, not as a war.
-We don't control what happens to us in life, but we control how we respond to what happens in life.
-Hard times create strong men, strong men create good times, good times create weak men, and weak men create hard times. -G. Michael Hopf
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reading too much into the example adding weight to parts of it that wasn't part of the original statement, to bend the entire argument to your side, by skewing one point of it as invalid, and expecting a defacto "if that's wrong its all wrong"
It was MERELY stated as such, that it was a "the way you say it, not what you say". it was nothing more, or less than that.. a simple and to the point example of "how you say things makes a difference."
in no way does the subject matter of the example matter, its the point of exposing in ANY situation how you form your words provokes different reactions.
be it sexual attraction, wanting food, telling someone to get out the way of a bus, that someones their hair is on fire, that god is fake, that god is real. that you just farted...
the subject at hand makes no difference, the delivery of it does...that was my entire point.
and do you really want to hijack yet another thread and derail it for the mere point of pointing out you was right on another thread?
I spoilered it exactly for the sake of not hijacking the thread, and you misread me, I said that I agree with you.
It appears you misread my post, what I said was a justification to WHY I spoke in such a manner, not a supportive argument to if I should continue to approach people in the same style.
spoiler text doesn't make it any less off topic
we just agree to disagree..well I do, not sure if you do. everyone has opinions,
and I am the FIRST to point out why someones opinions are flawed from my view..but thats all it is.
but I always know one is my view, one is theirs. and anything I say is nothing more than my personal views, about thier personal views. Not that "I have my personal, and correct views of the subject, and then we have whatever it is your babbling about"
I respect your outlook, and motivation and determination to support it. I really do.
Just your past approaches on bring them up is a bit crass
Not to drag up old subject matter..but the anarchist agenda thing as an example..it went from your opinion on it..to close to the same as religious followers approaching you randomly in a store.
One goes "Let me tell you about Jesus and why you need to follow him, and how you are damned if you dont"
yours was "let me tell you about the anarchist state, and why you should follow it, and how you are damned if you dont"
both make the person go "oh crap, I don't want to talk about this, but I know your going to beat me in the head until I smile, agree, and get you to leave"
-We don't control what happens to us in life, but we control how we respond to what happens in life.
-Hard times create strong men, strong men create good times, good times create weak men, and weak men create hard times. -G. Michael Hopf
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and as far as the forum goes, I'm pretty sure I get no special treatment..so dont think its a bending of any rules for me to skirt by.
I know no one from here, or friends with anyone in any position of power.
hell I got 3 PMs in my box in 8 years..and they was all about some random thread I was in. I doubt if one mod here if asked about me by name, without being on the forums to look, would even be able to tell you I'm a member here.
I'm pretty sure I have no more pull/power/favoritism towards me than a guy with 2 posts, one of them being "where is the MF'ing download links?!"
-We don't control what happens to us in life, but we control how we respond to what happens in life.
-Hard times create strong men, strong men create good times, good times create weak men, and weak men create hard times. -G. Michael Hopf
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spoiler text doesn't make it any less off topic
we just agree to disagree..well I do, not sure if you do. everyone has opinions,
and I am the FIRST to point out why someones opinions are flawed from my view..but thats all it is.
but I always know one is my view, one is theirs. and anything I say is nothing more than my personal views, about thier personal views. Not that "I have my personal, and correct views of the subject, and then we have whatever it is your babbling about"
I respect your outlook, and motivation and determination to support it. I really do.
Just your past approaches on bring them up is a bit crass
Not to drag up old subject matter..but the anarchist agenda thing as an example..it went from your opinion on it..to close to the same as religious followers approaching you randomly in a store.
One goes "Let me tell you about Jesus and why you need to follow him, and how you are damned if you dont"
yours was "let me tell you about the anarchist state, and why you should follow it, and how you are damned if you dont"
both make the person go "oh crap, I don't want to talk about this, but I know your going to beat me in the head until I smile, agree, and get you to leave"
We shouldn't continue this discussion, not here at least.
But to answer your comment, I will say only this and will close this conversation for the sake of not detouring this conversation any further.
You viewed it as me being a religious like zealot promoting my agenda, I viewed it as exposing the false and invalid arguments that allows Jehova Witnesses to deny a blood transfusion on their dying child for the sake of their faith.
you need more hobbies.
other than trying to save the world and make everyone equal, and proving to everyone your right all the time.
humans will be humans, no amount of realizing we are stupid will stop that. we are just an animal that thinks it knows what its doing, regardless of centuries of its own history proving it doesn't have the slightest clue.
getting worked up over something that you cant, and will never change (mankind being a superstitious, ignorant, bumbling ape beating rocks together to make progress as a collective whole) is a futile effort..a hamster wheel of frustration and anger on your part is all it causes.
to realize that what mankind does as a whole is wrong, is one revelation..to realize that as a collective whole it cant be stopped because we are instinctively doing it..is the NEXT revelation to have.
sure we make small progress in steps that are unimportant or infinitely useless on anything other than a personal 1 to 1 level.
but as a whole, other than having more higher tech toys, and pointer sticks than our caveman brothers...we still do the same things as them as far as superstitions, arguing, and doing things because it feels right, not because it IS right.
and we will continue doing this...
-We don't control what happens to us in life, but we control how we respond to what happens in life.
-Hard times create strong men, strong men create good times, good times create weak men, and weak men create hard times. -G. Michael Hopf
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Everyone is equal, some of us simply fall into the illusion that we're not.
Spoiler:
I believe Lil B would approve this message, there, we're back on topic.
we are all just random collections of chemicals that manage to stay stable for roughly 80 years before the process starts to deteriorate beyond a self sustaining system due to errors in the chemical reactions.
the particles in my body have been here since the big bang..I just happen to be here those 80 or so years they are all in one place, at one time making up my body..
you only get them for so long..why spend that time running in place trying to change the inevitable...
my 'life' as its so called is ultimately useless and futile in the big picture of the universe, just another chemical reaction that happened on some random rock around a tiny star.
SO just enjoy it, do what you can to bring whatever makes your version of 'self consciousness" happy during that time.
be it helping others, being selfish, answering mysteries about the universe, or even shooting at other clumps of chemicals that disagree with your beliefs of the great chemist in the sky that made your set of chemicals...whatever.
Long as it makes you TRULY happy..don't try to change what makes others happy, or what you think will make them happy. worry about yourself. you only have one you. and only for a blink of a cosmic eye to have it.
-We don't control what happens to us in life, but we control how we respond to what happens in life.
-Hard times create strong men, strong men create good times, good times create weak men, and weak men create hard times. -G. Michael Hopf
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I'm pretty sure I have no more pull/power/favoritism towards me than a guy with 2 posts, one of them being "where is the MF'ing download links?!"
well you once told us that your wife is hot, maybe we can arrange some favoritism in return for some pi... j/k
lil_b still sucks and as pointed out, he is so amazed of "his discovery" of some pretty basic understanding (for himself) on certain things, that it actually feels like a bad joke.
open up ur harts and minds already. hating will bring u nowhere.
the based train will not wait forever.
our minds was already open and aware of the things hes 'teaching', as common knowledge of being a sentient being. way before he started going on about how revolutionary it is
its akin to someone that lives totally removed from all mankind, having this great idea to invent a machine driven by the forces created when water boils...and coming out to find people, and them all going "yes, its a steam engine, mankinds had them for a century already. we agree it a GREAT invention..but its been done already"
and I'm not 'hating' on him. how is pointing out hes telling people things most already know as "hating'.
-We don't control what happens to us in life, but we control how we respond to what happens in life.
-Hard times create strong men, strong men create good times, good times create weak men, and weak men create hard times. -G. Michael Hopf
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It sure as shit isn't good music but hf listening to it anyway!
come on, having a 10 minute loop of FLstudio beats playing, while rapping totally offbeat, with no sense of metronomic rhythm, time scale of bars, or rhyming on the correct stanzas isn't 'good music?'
-We don't control what happens to us in life, but we control how we respond to what happens in life.
-Hard times create strong men, strong men create good times, good times create weak men, and weak men create hard times. -G. Michael Hopf
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It sure as shit isn't good music but hf listening to it anyway!
come on, having a 10 minute loop of FLstudio beats playing, while rapping totally offbeat, with no sense of metronomic rhythm, time scale of bars, or rhyming on the correct stanzas isn't 'good music?'
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