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Grouch
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| dezztroy wrote: | | Cedge wrote: | | dezztroy wrote: | | If they do, however, I expect them to do it in a clean way. Doing it through blackmail, is not. |
What would be a "clean" way? A polite email saying "send us $50 or we'll sue you"?
If you really think it would be better to go straight to suing them (in which case, a smaller number of people would be subject to much, much larger fines), well...if you say so. |
Considering your first example is exactly what they are doing (with a much larger sum, of course), which is blackmail, no.
Yes, I would expect them to sue them right away. Provided they have proper proof. An IP adress is not proper proof. |
Is it just Canada where ISPs log username with IP adresses? Cause this whole issue of proof is confusing the hell out me.
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| Posted: Thu, 15th Dec 2011 20:07 Post subject: |
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An IP is not a person. An IP doesn't prove shit.
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| Posted: Thu, 15th Dec 2011 20:08 Post subject: |
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| dezztroy wrote: | | Considering your first example is exactly what they are doing (with a much larger sum, of course), which is blackmail, no. |
As I said before, copyright law is usually a civil matter, and thus, it's perfectly legal for authors to pursue offenders via private arbitration. It's not blackmail, because blackmail is illegal.
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Grouch
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| Posted: Thu, 15th Dec 2011 20:11 Post subject: |
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| dezztroy wrote: | | An IP is not a person. An IP doesn't prove shit. |
So when a traffic camera takes a picture of your car speeding or running a red light through an intersection, then you as the owner of the car take no responsibility then? You didn't report the car stolen so assuming you lent in to someone you trust who gets the blame? Assuming there are no other mitigating circumstances who takes blame for the crime?
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| Posted: Thu, 15th Dec 2011 20:15 Post subject: |
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| Grouch wrote: | | dezztroy wrote: | | An IP is not a person. An IP doesn't prove shit. |
So when a traffic camera takes a picture of your car speeding or running a red light through an intersection, then you as the owner of the car take no responsibility then? You didn't report the car stolen so assuming you lent in to someone you trust who gets the blame? Assuming there are no other mitigating circumstances who takes blame for the crime? |
I'm glad to hear that if I see your car unlocked on the street, take it for a ride and run someone over, you'll be happy to go to jail for me.
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| Posted: Thu, 15th Dec 2011 20:17 Post subject: |
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| dezztroy wrote: | | Grouch wrote: | | dezztroy wrote: | | An IP is not a person. An IP doesn't prove shit. |
So when a traffic camera takes a picture of your car speeding or running a red light through an intersection, then you as the owner of the car take no responsibility then? You didn't report the car stolen so assuming you lent in to someone you trust who gets the blame? Assuming there are no other mitigating circumstances who takes blame for the crime? |
I'm glad to hear that if I see your car unlocked on the street, take it for a ride and run someone over, you'll be happy to go to jail for me. |
some places do it by the plates, some require proof of identity of the driver, which imho is the correct way.
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Grouch
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| Posted: Thu, 15th Dec 2011 20:17 Post subject: |
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| dezztroy wrote: | | Grouch wrote: | | dezztroy wrote: | | An IP is not a person. An IP doesn't prove shit. |
So when a traffic camera takes a picture of your car speeding or running a red light through an intersection, then you as the owner of the car take no responsibility then? You didn't report the car stolen so assuming you lent in to someone you trust who gets the blame? Assuming there are no other mitigating circumstances who takes blame for the crime? |
I'm glad to hear that if I see your car unlocked on the street, take it for a ride and run someone over, you'll be happy to go to jail for me. |
But I would have reported it stolen, so that argument fails, unless of course you don't know where your car is for prolonged periods of time. Btw, an app tells me is my car's engine has been started so...
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garus
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| Posted: Thu, 15th Dec 2011 20:43 Post subject: |
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LeoNatan
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| Posted: Thu, 15th Dec 2011 22:41 Post subject: |
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| peter980 wrote: | | But you do "steal" potential profit by enjoying the product without paying for it. |
The usual crock of horseshit. I buy anything I like, but I always "illegally  " download it first . So in fact, had I not tried the warez and was surprised, I'd probably not have bought it, what with retard publishers not releasing demos on PC. So, yeah, horseshit.
Also, publishers themselves are at fault for lost sales. I will not buy a game that has been artificially delayed (for nVidia content, piracy or otherwise). I will not buy a game pumped with retarded DRM. But I will pirate it and enjoy it at zero cost, and indeed feel good with myself. |
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| Posted: Thu, 15th Dec 2011 22:45 Post subject: |
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Even if Someone steals something from me, I can't just deal with the matter myself by sending those kind of scary letters.
Company isn't a "law". They, sending letters, doesn't mean anything. You can just throw them into a recycle bin
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| Posted: Thu, 15th Dec 2011 23:06 Post subject: |
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| dezztroy wrote: | Bottom line is:
CD Projekt are making money off of blackmailing potentially innocent people.
Therefore, I've lost a whole bunch of respect for them. |
What do you have to say about this: http://www.joystiq.com/2011/12/15/cd-projekt-demands-witcher-2-pirates-pay-up-100-sure-its-ta/
| Quote: | | We've seen some of the concern online about our efforts to thwart piracy, and we can assure you that we only take legal actions against users who we are 100 percent sure have downloaded our game illegally. |
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| Posted: Thu, 15th Dec 2011 23:08 Post subject: |
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| consolitis wrote: | | dezztroy wrote: | Bottom line is:
CD Projekt are making money off of blackmailing potentially innocent people.
Therefore, I've lost a whole bunch of respect for them. |
What do you have to say about this: http://www.joystiq.com/2011/12/15/cd-projekt-demands-witcher-2-pirates-pay-up-100-sure-its-ta/
| Quote: | | We've seen some of the concern online about our efforts to thwart piracy, and we can assure you that we only take legal actions against users who we are 100 percent sure have downloaded our game illegally. |
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I'd to ask them what kind of magical detection tool they have available, and why they haven't made a fortune off of it yet.
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LeoNatan
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| Posted: Thu, 15th Dec 2011 23:08 Post subject: |
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So say I own the game (GoG version, no DRM), but the shitty GoG downloader is shitty, so I download it from PirateBay. Are they 100% sure I have downloaded the game illegally? 
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garus
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| Posted: Thu, 15th Dec 2011 23:09 Post subject: |
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LeoNatan
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| Posted: Thu, 15th Dec 2011 23:13 Post subject: |
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No, and if someone accuses you, you can indeed blame it on their shitty system for not having a record of the ticket. But durrs gonna hurr.
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| Posted: Thu, 15th Dec 2011 23:17 Post subject: |
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Pretty sure I'll still have to pay some fine.
TWIN PEAKS is "something of a miracle."
"...like nothing else on television."
"a phenomenon."
"A tangled tale of sex, violence, power, junk food..."
"Like Nothing On Earth"
~ WHAT THEY'RE TRYING TO SAY CAN ONLY BE SEEN ~
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CHTUOgYNRzY |
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LeoNatan
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| Posted: Thu, 15th Dec 2011 23:18 Post subject: |
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| consolitis wrote: | | Pretty sure I'll still have to pay some fine. |
Yes, and you'd complain that it is unfair and retarded, and that's the whole point. Full circle to claims that "100% sure" is moronic. |
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| Posted: Thu, 15th Dec 2011 23:23 Post subject: |
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u could also buy the game and return it in a day for store credit for another game if you don't like it right?
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| Posted: Thu, 15th Dec 2011 23:34 Post subject: |
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yes. And they are fucking morons over morons.
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SteamDRM-"Call of Duty is the symbol of the true perfection in every aspect. Call of Duty games are like Mozart's/Beethoven's symphonies"
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| Posted: Thu, 15th Dec 2011 23:34 Post subject: |
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Well CDPR just lost quite a bit of respect from me with pulling this crap, even though I bought the game as soon as it was up for preorder. And I really want to know what kind of magical tool with 100% accuracy to determine who pirated the game are they using? Why are they not saying who is developing it? Stop bullshitting people, CDPR, you got nothing, you're lying.
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| Posted: Thu, 15th Dec 2011 23:36 Post subject: |
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| H4wkeye wrote: | | Well CDPR just lost quite a bit of respect from me with pulling this crap, even though I bought the game as soon as it was up for preorder. And I really want to know what kind of magical tool with 100% accuracy to determine who pirated the game are they using? Why are they not saying who is developing it? Stop bullshitting people, CDPR, you got nothing, you're lying. |
eh, what you gonna do
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Horrordee
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| Posted: Thu, 15th Dec 2011 23:40 Post subject: |
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With the likes of XFUSENET being entirely free, usenet doesn't have to cost a penny (gotta be a bit patent though!)
Anyone using BT is a fool (unless it's a TRUST private tracker!)
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