CDP sues W2 pirates. Update: listen to community and stop
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frogster




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PostPosted: Sat, 17th Dec 2011 09:26    Post subject:
sample from giganews :
From Giganews' FAQ

# Does Giganews keep track of what I download/upload, and what is the Giganews 'privacy policy'?

Giganews does not track the specific articles you download; however, we will track the volume of your downloads for account maintenance and download limit enforcement purposes (if applicable).

All Usenet posts posted through any of Giganews' global Usenet clusters are tagged with an "XTrace" identification tag in the header. This tag is an internal tag which Giganews can use internally to identify the person who has posted any article through our servers. We use this information to identify abusers and to help control Spam.

Giganews does not release any customer information, for any reason, unless specific information is identified and requested by court order. We invite you to review our Privacy Policy.


where this concept that you are safe on usenet comes from ?
uploaders on it are screwed if they dont take at least some elementary protections in case someone is after them. is harder to track them vs trackers, but is doable.
you are safe because you only download stuff (not sharing), and as long you don't get pedo for example or other thing that is frown hard about it, no one is bothering to do something about downloaders.
kill your upload in utorrent, and is the same deal.
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lurchx




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PostPosted: Sat, 17th Dec 2011 09:32    Post subject:
So never upload, Completely safe. Let the uploaders worry about it.

Even if somehow somebody finds out, they wont sue you for just downloading and not distributing.
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Grouch




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PostPosted: Sat, 17th Dec 2011 09:47    Post subject:
lurchx wrote:
You would think that by now people would figure out that torrents are a stupid risk and find something safer.

$10 or less a month for usenet is well worth it.

I agree, while not risk free, it is far less risky. Someone sent me link to one that was $5/month, but you had to 6 month or something. And I don't care if can't demo before/at release date, so long as I get to demo something before I can decide to buy or not.

lurchx wrote:
Besides, copying is not stealing anyway.

So you should have no problems with me copying answers from you during a test or examination. Excellent, you would be my best mate. Where were you when I was trying complete my MBA. Very Happy
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xxax
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PostPosted: Sat, 17th Dec 2011 10:54    Post subject:
Cedge wrote:
How many goddamn times do I have to say this? Berne. Convention.

What difference does it make if it's "for personal use"? Rolling Eyes Of course it's for personal use. You're telling me that piracy is legal, if it's for "your personal use"? God, I'd love to see you try to explain that to a judge. "I only pirated hundreds of games and movies for my own personal use, so I believe it's actually perfectly legal, your honorl!" lol wut


What has the Berne Convention got to do with copyright infrigement and what constitutes it? A Canadian court ruled that downloading songs is the same as borrowing a book from the library. So it is legal. You're making the assumption that everywhere in the world downloading=copyright infrigement but it doesn't. So how can you be "punished" for something that the country you live in deems legal.

And yes, for personal use, meaning as long as you are not selling it. And yes it is legal Razz As i explained in a previous post (to the metaphor guy) most Eastern Europe countries have it illegal to sell copyright works, not download it. So it's more of a tax evasion issue, than copyright issue.

Grouch wrote:
So you should have no problems with me copying answers from you during a test or examination. Excellent, you would be my best mate. Where were you when I was trying complete my MBA. Very Happy


I've copied many tests in my time and let many people copy mine. Hell a girl i knew in high school copied every single English test from me (and had the same grade as me at the end; yeah the teacher didn't like me much). About 3 months back i was showing my anwsers to guy i don't even know (i think it was for Constutional law). Your point being? Oh and we wouldn't be mates. I don't like people that use too many metaphores.
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Grouch




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PostPosted: Sat, 17th Dec 2011 11:25    Post subject:
xxax wrote:

Grouch wrote:
So you should have no problems with me copying answers from you during a test or examination. Excellent, you would be my best mate. Where were you when I was trying complete my MBA. Very Happy

I've copied many tests in my time and let many people copy mine. Hell a girl i knew in high school copied every single English test from me (and had the same grade as me at the end; yeah the teacher didn't like me much). About 3 months back i was showing my anwsers to guy i don't even know (i think it was for Constutional law). Your point being? Oh and we wouldn't be mates. I don't like people that use too many metaphores.

I don't think many are as generous as you in this regard.

But if your friend got caught, she would have been suspended right? Or at the very least have to re-write the test no? I mean, what backwards highschool would openly encourage cheating? What would be the point? Why not skip the test altogether and just give everybody passing grades?

Mates or not, your philosophy implies you would still let me copy your answers though, and I would.

*PS. And it's not a metaphor, it's an analogy. Most people here may/may not be in software/intellectual property business so it's harder to relate. Whereas, I'm guessing most have had secondary school/post secondary tests and examinations.

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consolitis
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PostPosted: Thu, 12th Jan 2012 17:29    Post subject:
Everything Went Better Than Expected Everything Went Better Than Expected Everything Went Better Than Expected

http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2012/01/12/splendid-cd-projekt-to-stop-legal-threats/

Quote:
An Open Letter to the Gaming Community from CD Projekt RED

In early December, an article was published about a law firm acting on behalf of CD Projekt RED, contacting individuals who had downloaded The Witcher 2 illegally and seeking financial compensation for copyright infringement. The news about our decision to combat piracy directly, instead of with DRM, spread quickly and with it came a number of concerns from the community. Repeatedly, gamers just like you have said that our methods might wrongly accuse people who have never violated our copyright and expressed serious concern about our actions.

Being part of a community is a give-and-take process. We only succeed because you have faith in us, and we have worked hard over the years to build up that trust. We were sorry to see that many gamers felt that our actions didn’t respect the faith that they have put into CD Projekt RED. Our fans always have been and remain our greatest concern, and we pride ourselves on the fact that you all know that we listen to you and take your opinions to heart. While we are confident that no one who legally owns one of our games has been required to compensate us for copyright infringement, we value our fans, our supporters, and our community too highly to take the chance that we might ever falsely accuse even one individual.

So we’ve decided that we will immediately cease identifying and contacting pirates.

Let’s make this clear: we don’t support piracy. It hurts us, the developers. It hurts the industry as a whole. Though we are staunch opponents of DRM because we don’t believe it has any effect on reducing piracy, we still do not condone copying games illegally. We’re doing our part to keep our relationship with you, our gaming audience, a positive one. We’ve heard your concerns, listened to your voices, and we’re responding to them. But you need to help us and do your part: don’t be indifferent to piracy. If you see a friend playing an illegal copy of a game–any game–tell your friend that they’re undermining the possible success of the developer who created the very game that they are enjoying. Unless you support the developers who make the games you play, unless you pay for those games, we won’t be able to produce new excellent titles for you.

Keep on playing,

Marcin Iwinski
co-founder
CD Projekt RED
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Mikey5449
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PostPosted: Thu, 12th Jan 2012 18:10    Post subject:
I bought W2 on GOG. Really good game. Good on them for not wasting anymore resources on this approach and hopefully getting back to making good games.
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De_TURK




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PostPosted: Thu, 12th Jan 2012 19:09    Post subject:
I just whatsapped to all my friends the following message:

"Don't pirate games, cuz devs get less money."

There, I've done my part. Now plz start the development on the witcher 3.
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Shoshomiga




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PostPosted: Thu, 12th Jan 2012 19:09    Post subject: I have left.
I have left.
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De_TURK




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PostPosted: Thu, 12th Jan 2012 19:17    Post subject:
Shoshomiga wrote:
They must complete the port of the witcher 2 first so the engine is ready for multiplatform release


I wish them all the best. Once they see the huge amount of console money in their pockets, the next witcher will be derptastic. And I will enjoy it. Smile
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Mister_s




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PostPosted: Thu, 12th Jan 2012 19:19    Post subject:
They probably figured out it was a total legal minefield and a complete waste of time. Good PR giving it a "we listen to our fans" vibe though.
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LeoNatan
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PostPosted: Thu, 12th Jan 2012 19:22    Post subject:
Mister_s wrote:
Good PR giving it a "we listen to our fans" vibe though.

Nothing good. Respect lost is respect lost. This whole fiasco was bullshit, and shall be remembered. Teh torrents will serve them well next game.
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Mister_s




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PostPosted: Thu, 12th Jan 2012 19:24    Post subject:
What respect? They made a great game and their dedication was very apparent when playing it. I don't care what they do and try from a business point of view. They kan kill puppies for a living, I don't care. As long as Witcher 3 has the same effort and detail, I'll still buy it.
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consolitis
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PostPosted: Thu, 12th Jan 2012 19:47    Post subject:
Listen to iN, he knows what he's talking about, he's a professional pirate. Cool Face


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sabin1981
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PostPosted: Thu, 12th Jan 2012 19:48    Post subject:
Leo;

You're undermining the possible success of the developer who created the very game that they are enjoying. Unless you support the developers who make the games you play, unless you pay for those games, they won’t be able to produce new excellent titles for you.


Cool Face
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tonizito
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PostPosted: Thu, 12th Jan 2012 20:05    Post subject:
Leo, Y U No???? forgive?!


boundle (thoughts on cracking AITD) wrote:
i guess thouth if without a legit key the installation was rolling back we are all fucking then
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consolitis
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PostPosted: Thu, 12th Jan 2012 20:09    Post subject:
We all know he says what he says, because he knows the series is going multiplatform and he'll buy and enjoy W3 on his preferred platform (you know which it is) but pirate it on the PC. Cool
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Neon
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PostPosted: Thu, 12th Jan 2012 20:26    Post subject:
consolitis wrote:
We all know he says what he says, because he knows the series is going multiplatform and he'll buy and enjoy W3 on his preferred platform (you know which it is) but pirate it on the PC. Cool


W3 will be released on iPhone and Mac? Shocked
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