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 Posted: Wed, 28th Mar 2012 20:06 Post subject: |
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It baffles me to see so many people (not only here) lament about all the bugs in otherwise great RPGs from Obisidian. The Gothic games and every single RPG Bethesda ever published were also riddled with bugs and needed months to reach a playable state. Or the first Witcher... brrr. Still, those seem to be measured by different standards than Obsidian games.
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| Posted: Wed, 28th Mar 2012 20:11 Post subject: |
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Yeah why does Bethesda get a free pass on bugs? Bethesda is also kinda shallow, it's like they only have certain features so that they have something to hype the game with but in reality it's a pretty shallow system. Like marriage. Or radiant quests, though well yeah, OK radiant quest is kinda all right by itself but at least make more than 4-5 actual quests for factions instead of padding it out with radiant quests.
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| Posted: Wed, 28th Mar 2012 20:21 Post subject: |
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Every Obsidian game I have played needed a good month of patching before it was really good. Only AP wasn't like that, but that's understandable. I didn't have such problems with any modern Beth title. PB was (is?) worse than Obsidian at coding, so that's not a good example.
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tonizito
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| Posted: Wed, 28th Mar 2012 20:25 Post subject: |
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| sabin1981 wrote: | Well they get less of a mention from me because I'm a statistical anomaly; I don't encounter the supposed billions of game, save, world and soul crushing bugs that are often attributed to Beth titles. I really don't. I finished Oblivion and FO3, start to finish, with no issues of any consequence. I played 70hrs+ of Skyrim 1.0 without any real noteworthy issues (backwards dragons was a result of a PATCH  ) |
Not really, same here.
And completely avoiding fast travel helps, IMO a lot. 
| boundle (thoughts on cracking AITD) wrote: | | i guess thouth if without a legit key the installation was rolling back we are all fucking then |
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| Posted: Wed, 28th Mar 2012 22:34 Post subject: |
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This kickstarter is good and all, but i hope there won't be too many developers that will start doing this so that many good projects won't receive enough donations.
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| Posted: Wed, 28th Mar 2012 22:49 Post subject: |
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| Posted: Wed, 28th Mar 2012 22:52 Post subject: |
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| KillerCrocker wrote: | | I don't like all this kickstarter shit. People are paying millions of $ to developers... to create games/media etc, while they wouldn't throw a penny at a poor guy or charity mostly... |
Really, again with the "that money should go to charity  " ? 
If people want to give money to charity they will, if they want to finance known developers to be able to play a game that they wouldn't otherwise thanks to retard AAA publishers they should be able to do so either.
What about you?
Instead of buying a router/monitor/game/whatever, next time give your money to charity.
Not that different than pledging to a kickstarter project, really.
| boundle (thoughts on cracking AITD) wrote: | | i guess thouth if without a legit key the installation was rolling back we are all fucking then |
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| Posted: Wed, 28th Mar 2012 23:05 Post subject: |
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Thou shalt only use thine gold for taxes, a place to live, food and charity.
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| Posted: Wed, 28th Mar 2012 23:47 Post subject: |
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| AKofC wrote: |
what the shit is wrong with you |
He must've never had that "I would pay enormous amounts of money for a sequel/remake" moment. Almost every gamer has some game that he would pay through the nose to see.
All I know is if I ever see a kickstarter project for Anachronox, a Magic Carpet/Hi-Octane/almost any Bullfrog game remake, I'm definitely putting my money toward that shit.
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| Posted: Thu, 29th Mar 2012 00:05 Post subject: |
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With Kickstarter all you're doing is basically a form of pre-ordering. Makes absolutely perfect sense to me, and I have pledged to two projects already. I also do volunteer work for free, so I won't give more to charity, I give my fucking time. I give my money for products I support.
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| Posted: Thu, 29th Mar 2012 00:16 Post subject: |
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Its good to see that people read only first half of my post. Maybe next time read the whole thing?
In other half i am saying something completly different than in the beginning of that post but people seem to read only like two sentences... They dont see that i complety said fuck the charity idea in that second half.... Goddamnit people i really try to please You but its impossible. Whatever i write people read only part of it and judge only by it or completly miss the point of my whole post. Completly. This ignorance is like a slap in the face.
But still. I dont like the whole kickstarter shit nonetheless. I think that developers as a companies are greedy enough already and dont need more of our money. Its fucked up to pay for someones production.
This should be helping indie developers which are hard to see and then trust with money...
But offcourse. I wrote all that in my previous bashed post but everyone only saw the first charity sarcasm part..... This is getting a joke
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| Posted: Thu, 29th Mar 2012 00:21 Post subject: |
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| KillerCrocker wrote: |
But still. I dont like the whole kickstarter shit nonetheless. I think that developers as a companies are greedy enough already and dont need more of our money. Its fucked up to pay for someones production.
This should be helping indie developers which are hard to see and then trust with money...
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Again...  Honestly, you're just digging yourself even deeper. Who is to decide which company deserves my money most? I'll let you in on a little secret... DoubleFine? didn't get a penny out of me. I don't want an adventure game, so they're not getting my money. I'll back/pay for a game that I WANT - I don't care how big or small the company is. Obsidian want to make a great, classic, RPG but can't find a publisher to front them the cash for it .. so they're making a kickstarter to crowdfund .. but you're saying that this is shit and greedy and you don't think they deserve it. Why? What makes them ANY different to any other company that can't get funding for a project they want to make?
Honestly dude, you're not making any sense whatsoever :\
Now if a large publisher/developer comes along and tries to run a kickstarter, someone like Sega for instance, THEN I would call it greed and would tell them to get fucked. Obsidian isn't Sega. Obsidian didn't even get their goddamn bonuses from Bethesda/ZeniMax for creating New Vegas.. so, again, why is it greedy for Obs to turn to crowdfunding to make a game that everybody wants?
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| Posted: Thu, 29th Mar 2012 00:23 Post subject: |
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| KillerCrocker wrote: | | I think that developers as a companies are greedy enough already and dont need more of our money. Its fucked up to pay for someones production. |
Follow your own "read the whole thing" advice and learn how kickstarter works, seriously.
HINT: | KillerCrocker wrote: | | Why the fuck would I want to pay bwm, to kickstart new car project and then pay again to buy it? |
Not even close...
| boundle (thoughts on cracking AITD) wrote: | | i guess thouth if without a legit key the installation was rolling back we are all fucking then |
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| Posted: Thu, 29th Mar 2012 00:28 Post subject: |
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| Posted: Thu, 29th Mar 2012 00:36 Post subject: |
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| Posted: Thu, 29th Mar 2012 00:41 Post subject: |
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KC, you don't need to understand, why someone would want to finance a KS project. All you have to understand it, and you have to agree with it, too, is that freedom is best. Always. People have the freedom and now tools to give money directly to developers to show their support. I say - fuck yeah. Not only because I like it, but also because people just recently gained this new tool to express themselves.
You don't have to want to express yourself in such a manner, but you have no right nor authority to indicate, that others shouldn't either. In fact, you should promote all sorts of freedoms.
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| Posted: Thu, 29th Mar 2012 00:43 Post subject: |
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| KillerCrocker wrote: | | But why to kickstart another game? Whatever it is, rpg, adventure etc, there is plenty of those coming sooner or later. |
Yeah, I sure prefer Mass Effect 3 than Wasteland 2, you know, an actual PROPER FUCKING RPG. Yes, there are plenty of games coming out, but when you got a guy like Tim Schafer along with Rob Gilbert going "hey guys, we wanted to make this old-school adventure game that actually does not suck but no one wants to fund us" then you're practically sure you're going to get a quality product.
| Quote: | | There is no guarantee that kickstarded product will be better than other games that are coming out. I say its a waste of money while there are still plenty of other games. |
I'd rather waste 15/30 dollars for a "failed" product than 60 for another BioWere game.
| Quote: | | Kickstarter companies want to sell as many as possible, so games will be more accessible etc... Thats how market works nowadays. |
Wait, what? That's EXACTLY what Kickstarter DOESN'T do. It completely skips the publisher, ergo there are no demands "we need to sell X bajillion copies or else". Developers are free as to what their game will look like, play like and sound like. People pay for Wasteland 2 because they WANT that hardcore, oldschool experience, not dumbed-down shit. Market doesn't matter when fans paid you over 3 million dollars (or 1.5 for Wasteland 2) even before you STARTED working on the game. The people that paid 3 million are already buyers.
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| Posted: Thu, 29th Mar 2012 00:50 Post subject: |
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Ok that actually clearls a lot. Thanks. I kinda agree with all above aka. Freedom, better quality, skip publisher.
I guess we will have to wait. I am quite excited about shaffer game
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| Posted: Thu, 29th Mar 2012 02:47 Post subject: |
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KOTOR 2 is my second most favourite RPG after Baldur's Gate 2.
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| Posted: Thu, 29th Mar 2012 05:03 Post subject: |
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KOTOR2 was epic, I liked it way more than KOTOR1, unfortunately it was like ME3 in that it had a broken unfinished ending.
It least with KOTOR2 it was literally unfinished and not a marketing ploy to sell DLC.
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I was pretty certain Obs did after many conversations about it on here, but sadly no 
