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saw it tonite and i really enjoyed it. great movie. i agree with kev, cinemascope would have been more epic.
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| Posted: Sat, 2nd Jul 2005 06:58 Post subject: |
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| toeffy wrote: | | saw it tonite and i really enjoyed it. great movie. i agree with kev, cinemascope would have been more epic. |
Totally agree, one of Cruise's best roles and that's not lightly said be me.. And Dakota is THE kid actor right now, well reasoned. She was also most excellent in Hide and Seek, i smell an oscar or two =)
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Tom Robbins did his part fine, but he wasn't the right actor for the role.. I would have put Nick Nolte in that role, but that's just me =)
Didn't like the son either, rather obvious they won't write off someone in a main role.. Movies nowadays are so predictable!
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| Posted: Sat, 2nd Jul 2005 07:38 Post subject: |
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| Posted: Sat, 2nd Jul 2005 09:30 Post subject: |
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Oh yeah some things about the ending. Today while working (I work at an AMC theatre) I heard some kids go about the ending "Something should of happened!" The more I think about the ending the more I like it. I'm glad they had the balls to stick to the book's ending and didn't make the ending some all out action scene.
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| Posted: Sat, 2nd Jul 2005 18:27 Post subject: |
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Yeah I normally don't like that happy ending bullshit but I didn't really care and let it slide.
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| Posted: Sat, 2nd Jul 2005 19:19 Post subject: |
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Well i watched this, until that stupid fucking girl started screaming, closed and deleted this movie, not watching this until Spielberg deletes that girl in the dvd version.
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| Posted: Sat, 2nd Jul 2005 19:20 Post subject: |
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Ok, just went to watch it again with my father this time and I have to agree with the people who were disappointed. I didn't really watch it very well the first time, as I went with a girl.
There were so many plotholes it was unreal. The biggest one being the bollocks about them having planted the tripods a million years prior.
Ok, so lets get this straight, they were here a million years ago, but decided not to invade then, for some reason. A possible reason for this is that the earth was not in a suitable condition, but the earth hasn't changed much in a million years. Then, the whole aspect of why bother with that at all. Why not just come to earth as per a normal invasion. I know I wouldn't want to be invading with technology outdated by a million years. The we have the plothole that if they were here then, they would certainly have come into contact with pathogens, as microbes are the oldest forms of life, and certainly existed a million years ago. Then the tiny holes that were made by the lightning, there is no way the aliens we saw could fit in pods tiny enough to get through that gap.
The whole 'they're already here' plot device is such utter shite I don't know how spielberg even thought it would make sense. I get the impression he just wanted to try something new.
Still, I enjoyed the effects, and the mild exploration of human selfishness. I'd give it 7/10 now. It's a good film, if you don't think.
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| Posted: Sat, 2nd Jul 2005 19:25 Post subject: |
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| Flark wrote: | | Well i watched this, until that stupid fucking girl started screaming, closed and deleted this movie, not watching this until Spielberg deletes that girl in the dvd version. |
You know, young girls tend to do that, especially when they see people being vaporised.
I hated the boy, what a fucking moron. "I wanna fight, I can really make a difference, even though the whole army is being massacred!" i'd tell him to go die then. I know people like that exist though, so fair enough that he was included. It's just that his survival was so illogical it made me want to puke.
I mean, we see the tripods devastate the entire area over the hill, and then continue past that area. The son does not come back over the hill before this as cruise is still there. So what happend? Did he hide in a fucking rabbit hole!?
"Techniclly speaking, Beta-Manboi didnt inject Burberry_Massi with Benz, he injected him with liquid that had air bubbles in it, which caused benz." - House M.D
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| Posted: Sat, 2nd Jul 2005 19:39 Post subject: |
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Yes, but i wan't a fucking mute button on her, hearing her makes tinnitus a breeze to endure.
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| Posted: Sun, 3rd Jul 2005 00:36 Post subject: |
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| AnimalMother wrote: | | I mean, we see the tripods devastate the entire area over the hill, and then continue past that area. The son does not come back over the hill before this as cruise is still there. So what happend? Did he hide in a fucking rabbit hole!? |
I know!!! and at the end he looks like he's only been in a minor scuffle with some hooligans at the park.   |
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| Posted: Mon, 4th Jul 2005 03:29 Post subject: |
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I have to agree with AM on this one. Why not just a normal invasion? The unscrewing of the lid would have been so much more on the edge of the seat type of situation.
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| Posted: Wed, 6th Jul 2005 00:02 Post subject: |
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I never knew that H.G. Wells wrote a second book. 
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| Posted: Wed, 6th Jul 2005 10:50 Post subject: |
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Where the hell was the ending to this movie?
"Oh hay there's red stuff everywhere for no apparant reason and hay the aliens died. oh great my son who went head first into a massive fireball is alive in boston. the end."
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| Posted: Wed, 6th Jul 2005 12:57 Post subject: |
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why is everyone bitching about the tripods beeing on earth all the time. why not? maybe they were hidden by a special technique. maybe they lay soooo deap that noone would have beleived the readin g on radar or something anything other than rock.
its a fantasy movie. fictional. why would you know how and what the mars folks are able to pull of.
the electrics got fucked up and a guy is running around with a camera....so what? he fixed it...they had time to fix a whole car lol so why not. this wasn't a decission for logic...this was a decission to make a statement. earth is beeing attacked and people are still the voyers that they are. it just fits the plot and the message that there is in the movie.
and people expecting a id4 ending...screw you lol.
jesus christ was a gangsta rapper. they killed him. he came back and made a platinum album.
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| Posted: Wed, 6th Jul 2005 13:18 Post subject: |
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I think people are bitching because there's no reason for them to have the tripods and not attack. I guess an explanation would be that a large aspect of the book is the fact that it's from the perspective of humans so we don't really know a lot about the alien's motivation for the things they do.
The ending really pissed me off though. It really needed some sort of explanation.
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| Posted: Wed, 6th Jul 2005 15:56 Post subject: |
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It seemed like this story worked a lot better set in 1900 rather than 2000.
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| Posted: Wed, 6th Jul 2005 20:05 Post subject: |
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I suppose the plot holes could be reduced if you take the view that the humans in the film didn't know what they were talkin about. For instance, they thought the alien craft were there for some time before. Perhaps they were wrong. Perhaps the alien vessels that landed somehow created the tripods using the Earth's mass. Some kind of alien technique unknown to us? As for the red plantation, one would assume an attempt at terraforming (although they supposedly came from a cold planet - which we know to be the case coz the narrator can't lie). Perhaps these aliens just wanted to paint the town red for a laugh. Who the f*ck knows, but one thing I'm certain of is that this movie could have been a hell of a lot better.
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I guess most of the plot holes boil down to the fact that the aliens can't come from Mars anymore, so the whole story needs to be modified.
Original intro:
| Quote: | | No one would have believed in the last years of the nineteenth century that this world was being watched keenly and closely by intelligences greater than man's and yet as mortal as his own; that as men busied themselves about their various concerns they were scrutinised and studied, perhaps almost as narrowly as a man with a microscope might scru- tinise the transient creatures that swarm and multiply in a drop of water. With infinite complacency men went to and fro over this globe about their little affairs, serene in their assurance of their empire over matter. It is possible that the infusoria under the microscope do the same. No one gave a thought to the older worlds of space as sources of human danger, or thought of them only to dismiss the idea of life upon them as impossible or improbable. It is curious to recall some of the mental habits of those departed days. At most terrestrial men fancied there might be other men upon Mars, perhaps inferior to themselves and ready to welcome a mis- sionary enterprise. Yet across the gulf of space, minds that are to our minds as ours are to those of the beasts that perish, intellects vast and cool and unsympathetic, regarded this earth with envious eyes, and slowly and surely drew their plans against us. And early in the twentieth century came the great disillusionment. |
About where they came from:
| Quote: | | Its physical condition is still largely a mystery, but we know now that even in its equatorial region the midday temperature barely approaches that of our coldest winter. Its air is much more attenuated than ours, its oceans have shrunk until they cover but a third of its surface, and as its slow seasons change huge snowcaps gather and melt about either pole and periodically inundate its temperate zones. That last stage of exhaustion, which to us is still incredibly remote, has become a present- day problem for the inhabitants of Mars. The immediate pressure of necessity has brightened their intellects, enlarged their powers, and hardened their hearts. And looking across space with instruments, and intelligences such as we have scarcely dreamed of, they see, at its nearest distance only 35,000,000 of miles sunward of them, a morning star of hope, our own warmer planet, green with vegetation and grey with water, with a cloudy atmosphere eloquent of fertility, with glimpses through its drifting cloud wisps of broad stretches of populous country and narrow, navy-crowded seas. |
BTW ... if you want to read the book for free ...
http://www.online-literature.com/wellshg/warworlds/
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| CobbMk2 wrote: | It's been a long time since I've been so disappointed coming out the cinema.
I expected this to be really good considering the high watermark set by its predecessor. Couldn't care less about holes in the plot providing the movie was good. At times it was OK, but overall it sucked more than a $100 whore.
*SPOILER*
I f*ckin wanted his son to die so bad and was so grateful when I thought he did. Damn the ending. The girl was a spoiled little brat & should've been the first to go. The story could have gone so much deeper. I thought the whole family thing was just a copout from having to make this the great sci-fi that it could have been.
*END OF ALERT*
Basically, if u haven't seen the original then go watch this. You might like it.
If you have seen the original, then you'll watch this anyway, but you'll be disappointed.
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I feel the same way man
That little bitch brat would have had her mouth slapped for screaming so loudly and high pitched and so often - she would have been my sacrifice to the alien gods lol
as for his son, he's a little bawty bwoy u should have been vapourized or whatever that one ting did |
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| Posted: Sun, 10th Jul 2005 18:58 Post subject: |
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maybe the aliens teleported in :-
http://news.yahoo.com/s/space/teleportationexpresslanespacetravel
Space teleportation
What could teleportation do for future space endeavors?
"We can see the first glimmerings of teleportation in space exploration today," said Darling, responding to questions sent via e-mail by SPACE.com to his home office near Dundee, Scotland.
"Strictly speaking, teleportation is about getting from A to B without passing through the points between A and B. In other words, something dematerializes in one place, then simply rematerializes somewhere else," Darling said.
Darling pointed out that the Spirit and Opportunity rovers had to get to Mars by conventional means. However, their mission and actions are controlled by commands sent from Earth.
"So by beaming up instructions, we effectively complete the configuration of the spacecraft. Also, the camera eyes and other equipment of the rovers serve as vicarious extensions of our own senses. So you might say the effect is as if we had personally teleported to the Martian surface," Darling said.
Spooky action at a distance
In the future it might be possible to assemble spacecraft "on-the-spot" using local materials. "That would be a further step along the road to true teleportation," Darling added.
To take this idea to its logical endpoint, Darling continued, that's when nanotechnology enters the scene.
When nanotechnology is mature, an automated assembly unit could be sent to a destination. On arrival, it would build the required robot explorer from the molecular level up.
"Bona fide quantum teleportation, as applied to space travel, would mean sending a supply of entangled particles to the target world then use what Einstein called 'spooky action at a distance' to make these particles assume the exact state of another collection of entangled particles back on Earth," Darling speculated.
Doing so opens the prospect for genuinely teleporting a robot vehicle--or even an entire human crew--across interplanetary or, in the long run, across interstellar distances, Darling said.
"Certainly, if it becomes possible to teleport humans," Darling said, "you can envisage people hopping to the Moon or to other parts of the solar system, as quickly and as easily as we move data around the Internet today."
UFO connection?
If indeed we are to become a space teleporting civilization, what about other advanced civilizations circling distant stars? Perhaps they have already mastered mass transportation via teleportation?
One might even be drawn to consider that mode of travel in connection with purported UFO visitation of Earth.
"Any strange comings and goings are candidates for teleportation, although you would obviously have to eliminate all mundane explanations first," Darling responded. "According to reports, some UFOs do appear and disappear quite abruptly, which would fit in with the basic idea of teleportation," he said.
Darling said that interstellar teleportation would be one way to circumvent the light barrier, "although, as we understand the process now, you would need to make a sub-light trip first to set up the teleportation receiver and assembler at the destination."
Quantum teleportation, Darling pointed out is the kind we can do at the subatomic level in the lab today. And that requires equipment at both ends to be able to work.
"Extraterrestrial intelligence that is thousands or millions of years ahead of us will certainly be teleportation experts," Darling advised, "if the technology can be implemented at the macroscopic biological level."
What possible outcome, then, from ET successfully tinkering with teleportation?
"We might expect advanced aliens to be occasionally beaming in to check on our progress as a species," Darling concluded.
The night is dark and the road is long. Come on dead men, return to your homes.
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| Posted: Sun, 10th Jul 2005 23:59 Post subject: |
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I think I noticed the alien design is quite a bit close to the one from "Independence Day". Beside that, I usually like Spielberg's movies, but this one was a big let down, at least IMO. Have fun !
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| Posted: Mon, 11th Jul 2005 03:16 Post subject: |
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U know
Tom Cruise was what ruined the movie
IMO, ive always thought he was a bawty bwoy
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The first half of this movie was great but when the they moved in this guy basement the movie start to boring me :/
And what is the deal with the ending ?
** SPOILER **
Aliens were killed by germs ? It's so stupid. if they were watching for lets say 1 million year they should have discovered that a simple germ can kill them ;/
They should make such a movie in a Matrix style ... I mean they should have made 3 parts of this movie because CGI is great !
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| Posted: Sun, 24th Jul 2005 20:17 Post subject: |
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i never expected the movie to have good acting or story, i just wanted to be entertained, i wanted badass action/war sequences.
well i was disappointed, the movie never really made me feel that it was a global invasion, its more like hmm ok they burned down a small city and some country side around it, ok nice.
and yea of course the plot holes, but as i said i was actually expecting that, just wanted action.
also the movie ended too soon, i expected some more fighting, but no, as soon as they noticed the weakness of the aliens the movie ended.
ah and yea, the son. it annoyed me so much that he actually survived, look at the scene, he runs up to the front line and a few secs later everything gets burned to ashes, EVERYTHING.
that little fucker survives nontheless and gets on my tits.
i admit the roles of that little fucker and the little bitch were realistic, there are indeed stupid ppl who think they can make a big difference by themselves and also little girls who can scream for days.
is it really required to put in these two extremely annoying characters?
there are other ways to convey a feeling of terror or fear than a little bitch stuck in a screaming loop.
btw the machines werent influenced by hl2, on the contrary, the ones in hl2 were influenced by the original written by wells.
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