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hahe




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PostPosted: Tue, 5th Jul 2005 23:08    Post subject: Thermal Grease
I'm about to put together my first comp (well new case, motherboard, cpu). It says thermal grease or whatever is required for the cpu. Is it really? Do I really need it put it on the cpu or is the heatsink/fan enough? It's an AMD Athlon 64 3000+ btw.
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[sYn]
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PostPosted: Tue, 5th Jul 2005 23:45    Post subject:
YES IT IS NEEDED!?!?!?!?!?!@:!?!

My god man dont do anything without it!! Although, a lot of new HSF's come with a thermal pad, is there a grey bit on the bottom of the HSF? It is different from the metal..

If not, then you need to paste, I would get some high quality "artic silver 5+" as it will make a few degree's difference but certainly help the life of your CPU.

These should help:













There we go Smile.. enjoy!
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hahe




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PostPosted: Wed, 6th Jul 2005 00:00    Post subject:
Thanks man. I bought this one http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16835100007 Good?

Sucks I got the new case, motherboard, and cpu today but the case came with a 24 pin connector with the PSU and my motherboard is a 20 pin so I had to order an adapter the other day and now this.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16813128263 motherboard

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16811129127 Case(bought it when it had a $30 mail-in rebate)

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16819103537 CPU
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Jenni
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PostPosted: Wed, 6th Jul 2005 00:08    Post subject:
Remember as I've said to Syn before. You need to totally cover the cpu's top with thermal paste as it's not like the cpu that's pictured.
If the heatsink has a pad, then use that and not the paste.
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whoKnows
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PostPosted: Wed, 6th Jul 2005 00:08    Post subject:
It's a retail AMD CPU wich usually comes with a fan and thermal pad applied. Don't put thermal paste on the cpu if the heatsink has a thermal pad already attached to it.
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[sYn]
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PostPosted: Wed, 6th Jul 2005 00:16    Post subject:
Jenni wrote:
Remember as I've said to Syn before. You need to totally cover the cpu's top with thermal paste as it's not like the cpu that's pictured.
If the heatsink has a pad, then use that and not the paste.


*nods*

those where the best pictures which showed how thick a layer you needed. Using a stock AMD HSF is silly, cause stock always sucks Razz!

FYI: the one you bought it what I use, its awsome Smile
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Jenni
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PostPosted: Wed, 6th Jul 2005 00:19    Post subject:
Lost me there, you bought what?
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[sYn]
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PostPosted: Wed, 6th Jul 2005 00:22    Post subject:
it = is

the one you bought is what I use, its awsome. It was aimed at hahe talking about the artic silver he has bought Smile
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Jenni
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PostPosted: Wed, 6th Jul 2005 00:44    Post subject:
Just be careful with silver based compounds for gods sake. It can cause some nasty diseases.
Personally I wear gloves when I use it. I reckon it should have a health warning on it.
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hahe




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PostPosted: Wed, 6th Jul 2005 02:31    Post subject:
Oh whoops. Checked the heatsink and yea there's like a gray bit on the bottom like you said. It's square. Eh oh well. I'll hang on to the arctic silver for if I upgrade later on or something.

It looks kinda like this(grabbed the pic off a random site)
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hahe




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PostPosted: Wed, 6th Jul 2005 02:41    Post subject:
Oh great now for the case they updated the reviews and people are saying that you don't need the adapter for the 24 pin thing. The extra 4 pins come off.
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fisk




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PostPosted: Wed, 6th Jul 2005 02:54    Post subject:
Those pads are usually crap in terms of transfer of heat.
Remove and apply AS instead.

Yes, yes I'm back.
Somewhat.
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Kristian




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PostPosted: Wed, 6th Jul 2005 08:16    Post subject:
I don't got a small square at my CPU..
Whole my CPU has to be covered..

But my big fan sure knows how to cool it..

check this shit out:
[img]http://home.no/stealth-/pics/pc/Bilde001.jpg[/url]

The fan is 120mm, the rest outside of it is 136(L) x 136(W) x 67(H)mm.

That's one sexy mofo!

I hate you.
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[sYn]
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PostPosted: Wed, 6th Jul 2005 11:21    Post subject:
fisk wrote:
Those pads are usually crap in terms of transfer of heat.
Remove and apply AS instead.


I do agree, but this is a first timer, so maybe its best to stick with the pad? If you see heat issues, you should try the paste *nodS*
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hahe




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PostPosted: Wed, 6th Jul 2005 22:27    Post subject:
Put it together last night. It's nice and runs smooth. Now BF2 can run smooth and most games too. Just the thing that sucks though is that I think I did something wrong with the hard drive and I had to reinstall XP so I lost everything on the main drive. Still have everything on my other drive thank god.
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Jenni
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PostPosted: Wed, 6th Jul 2005 22:52    Post subject:
Actually pads are better for long term use than the thermal compound as the compound tends to spread very thinly due to the pressure of the clips holding the fan and heatsink to the mobo.
So if you don't plan on changing anything for a while, use pads.
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PostPosted: Wed, 6th Jul 2005 23:34    Post subject:
Jenni wrote:
Actually pads are better for long term use than the thermal compound as the compound tends to spread very thinly due to the pressure of the clips holding the fan and heatsink to the mobo.
So if you don't plan on changing anything for a while, use pads.


that is utter crap Razz

Both thermal pads and paste turn to a more "liquid like state" when heated, they both spread JUST AS MUCH because of this. If you take your HSF off your CPU right now, having used a thermal pad, you will see that its not wonderfully in one neat clump, because its just slightly thickened, crappy thermal paste Razz
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Jenni
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PostPosted: Thu, 7th Jul 2005 06:45    Post subject:
But thermal pads are still better for long term use. Read a mobo manual and it tells you there. At least in the three motherboard manuals I have here it does. Razz
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hahe




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PostPosted: Thu, 7th Jul 2005 07:18    Post subject:
I have a program right now saying that the cpu is running at around 25 degrees C.
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PostPosted: Thu, 7th Jul 2005 11:14    Post subject:
hahe wrote:
I have a program right now saying that the cpu is running at around 25 degrees C.


probably a false reading, as that is very low, but then again it could be correct! Check in your Bios "hardware monitoring"
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PostPosted: Thu, 7th Jul 2005 14:59    Post subject:
ah man, when i put together one of my last computers i didn't spread the thermal grease evenly enough... crashes crashes crashes... then i realized what was causing all the crashes and applied it evenly and it ran great... evil thermal grease!

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[sYn]
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PostPosted: Thu, 7th Jul 2005 15:24    Post subject:
Cheez-It wrote:
ah man, when i put together one of my last computers i didn't spread the thermal grease evenly enough... crashes crashes crashes... then i realized what was causing all the crashes and applied it evenly and it ran great... evil thermal grease!


you created what is known as a "thermal pocket".. it happens when there is too much grease around the edges and not enough of a middle making a air pocket which heats up HUGELY and causes your machine to hit silly high temps.

Its pretty easy to make that misstake the first few times Smile.. not as easy to troubleshoot it Very Happy

Artic Silver is worth the risk Razz
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hahe




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PostPosted: Thu, 7th Jul 2005 22:41    Post subject:
[sYn] wrote:
hahe wrote:
I have a program right now saying that the cpu is running at around 25 degrees C.


probably a false reading, as that is very low, but then again it could be correct! Check in your Bios "hardware monitoring"


The program came with the motherboard. I'll check my bios later.
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Bigperm




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PostPosted: Tue, 12th Jul 2005 22:06    Post subject:
Jenni wrote:
But thermal pads are still better for long term use. Read a mobo manual and it tells you there. At least in the three motherboard manuals I have here it does. Razz


Agreed. All the new moboard manuals recomend the pad, if im not mistaken my Intel boxed processor recomended the pad as well.

those pictures with the AMD CPU are using the grease properly. The center in the only part of the processor that touches the heatsync with that processor. Therefore the only part of the processor that conducts heat is the center. Correct me if im wrong.
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