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tonizito
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| Posted: Wed, 6th Jun 2012 20:08 Post subject: |
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| boundle (thoughts on cracking AITD) wrote: | | i guess thouth if without a legit key the installation was rolling back we are all fucking then |
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zmed
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| Posted: Wed, 6th Jun 2012 20:09 Post subject: |
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She's not masochistic, she's just having Stockholm syndrome.
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tonizito
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| Posted: Wed, 6th Jun 2012 20:11 Post subject: |
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| zmed wrote: | | She's not masochistic, she's just having Stockholm syndrome. |
Alright alright, but damn is she useless and dull and boring... 
| boundle (thoughts on cracking AITD) wrote: | | i guess thouth if without a legit key the installation was rolling back we are all fucking then |
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| Posted: Wed, 6th Jun 2012 20:26 Post subject: |
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I remember when reading the books she was one of my most hated characters.
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tonizito
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| Posted: Wed, 6th Jun 2012 21:44 Post subject: |
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| zmed wrote: | You'll have no arguments from me.  |
 
| boundle (thoughts on cracking AITD) wrote: | | i guess thouth if without a legit key the installation was rolling back we are all fucking then |
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ixigia
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| Posted: Thu, 7th Jun 2012 00:23 Post subject: |
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Amazing finale, very cliffhanger-ish but damn good, top quality as usual..leaving us wanting for more, now..argh
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| Posted: Thu, 7th Jun 2012 19:05 Post subject: |
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What puzzles me is the horse taking a huuuge dump in the throne room, is that supposed to symbolize something, like I SHIT on your throne, or the horsie couldn't wait for the barn?
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| Posted: Thu, 7th Jun 2012 19:12 Post subject: |
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It probably symbolizes Tywin not giving a shit about Joffrey's reign.
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| Posted: Thu, 7th Jun 2012 19:28 Post subject: |
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Maybe, maybe not
The horse also took a dump in the book.
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zmed
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| Posted: Thu, 7th Jun 2012 20:23 Post subject: |
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Or maybe it symbolizes how when horses eat, after a while they will shit.
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| Posted: Thu, 7th Jun 2012 21:29 Post subject: |
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Foreshadow of Tywin's situation at the end of book 3?
Sig too big. -Nothing is too big for Fedor. Expect a nasty armbar.
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| Posted: Thu, 7th Jun 2012 23:41 Post subject: |
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Might want to skip/spoiler everything and anything unaired/related to the books, someone might throw a fit even for that.
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| Posted: Thu, 7th Jun 2012 23:45 Post subject: |
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I don't know much about horses but how is Tywin gonna know if the horse needs to take a dump? as far as i know they do it whenever they please.
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tonizito
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| Posted: Fri, 8th Jun 2012 01:59 Post subject: |
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| madmax17 wrote: | | What puzzles me is the horse taking a huuuge dump in the throne room, is that supposed to symbolize something, like I SHIT on your throne, or the horsie couldn't wait for the barn? |
Joffrey is probably going to make sansa eat it; she then chokes and dies, perfect start for season 3 
| boundle (thoughts on cracking AITD) wrote: | | i guess thouth if without a legit key the installation was rolling back we are all fucking then |
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| Posted: Fri, 8th Jun 2012 06:32 Post subject: |
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| Mister_s wrote: | | It probably symbolizes Tywin not giving a shit about Joffrey's reign. |
Yup this.
Not that hard to grasp. That little prick Joffrey is just a pawn. Tywin is the man with the plan (or one of the men with the plans).
Until  Spoiler: | Tyrion fucks him up the ass |
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| Posted: Fri, 8th Jun 2012 18:27 Post subject: |
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| tonizito wrote: | | madmax17 wrote: | | What puzzles me is the horse taking a huuuge dump in the throne room, is that supposed to symbolize something, like I SHIT on your throne, or the horsie couldn't wait for the barn? |
Joffrey is probably going to make sansa eat it; she then chokes and dies, perfect start for season 3 |
I couldn't believe that even after the king dumped her pathetic ass she still refused Baelish offer to get out, wtf. That's like the third time she was offered a way out and she responds like a robot "I'm loyal to king Joffrey"  the king that killed your father, beats you up, a king she DOESN'T EVEN LIKE, dumb cunt. |
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| Posted: Fri, 8th Jun 2012 18:34 Post subject: |
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Why would a girl, who's in the middle of a cesspool of backstabbing bastards, accept an offer from some guy? Baelish should be one of the last guys anyone trusts.
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| Posted: Fri, 8th Jun 2012 18:34 Post subject: |
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| madmax17 wrote: | | tonizito wrote: | | madmax17 wrote: | | What puzzles me is the horse taking a huuuge dump in the throne room, is that supposed to symbolize something, like I SHIT on your throne, or the horsie couldn't wait for the barn? |
Joffrey is probably going to make sansa eat it; she then chokes and dies, perfect start for season 3 |
I couldn't believe that even after the king dumped her pathetic ass she still refused Baelish offer to get out, wtf. That's like the third time she was offered a way out and she responds like a robot "I'm loyal to king Joffrey" the king that killed your father, beats you up, a king she DOESN'T EVEN LIKE, dumb cunt. |
My take on all those moments was that she is just afraid and/or does not trust the people who offer to help, thinking that she will just fail to escape or make things worse.
Also perhaps she is hatching a plan of her own of sorts, or thinks she can do something from the inside, so to speak 
I always thought it was made quite obvious that she was just trying to pretend to be an obedient "hostage". All by herself, trying to survive...
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kumkss
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| Posted: Fri, 8th Jun 2012 18:40 Post subject: |
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Sansa is a masochistic derphina.
so, i haven't read the books yet, (im still on book one), but im guessing that Jon Snow and Daenerys Targaryan are converting in the truly main charachters of this story. Snow = Ice. Daenerys = Fire.
also, both are my favourites charachters, besides Arya, that little girl does a master job.
The imp, also belongs to my top 3 characters.
4th would be "the dog", only for beeing the only one that cares truly for Sansa.
5th Tyrel (the father) Lannister, for beeing the exact same despot as i would be on his position
6th Osha, for beeing one of the most nobel person in the whole story
7th Bran
8th. no one else.
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ixigia
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| Posted: Fri, 8th Jun 2012 18:45 Post subject: |
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| MinderMast wrote: | | madmax17 wrote: | | tonizito wrote: | | Joffrey is probably going to make sansa eat it; she then chokes and dies, perfect start for season 3 |
I couldn't believe that even after the king dumped her pathetic ass she still refused Baelish offer to get out, wtf. That's like the third time she was offered a way out and she responds like a robot "I'm loyal to king Joffrey" the king that killed your father, beats you up, a king she DOESN'T EVEN LIKE, dumb cunt. |
My take on all those moments was that she is just afraid and/or does not trust the people who offer to help, thinking that she will just fail to escape or make things worse.
Also perhaps she is hatching a plan of her own of sorts, or thinks she can do something from the inside, so to speak
I always thought it was made quite obvious that she was just trying to pretend to be an obedient "hostage". All by herself, trying to survive... |
I too think she's into something, otherwise her behavior would be extremely illogical, masochistic to say the least. Or maybe Zmed is right, could simply be a strong case of stockholm syndrome |
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| Posted: Fri, 8th Jun 2012 18:50 Post subject: |
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| Mister_s wrote: | | Why would a girl, who's in the middle of a cesspool of backstabbing bastards, accept an offer from some guy? Baelish should be one of the last guys anyone trusts. |
Can't be worse than being abused all day can it, the king is tormenting her physically, the queen psychologically and now she gets dumped by the king which renders her useless for all she knows she can die for the 'crimes' of her brother or end up in the dungeon, how much abuse do you need to take in order to leave?
If it was me I would leave/kill the bastard in his sleep the day he cut my dad's head, but no she faints and decides to stay loyal  to someone who wants to exterminate your whole family. |
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| Posted: Fri, 8th Jun 2012 18:57 Post subject: |
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The show has omitted a lot of detail, so her actions do indeed look strange. In the books she's a 14 year old girl scared shitless, thinking a good chunk of her family is dead, hoping her big bro Robb is coming for her etc etc. It isn't very clear in the show, but Baelish is one sneaky dipshit (as Sansa also knows to a degree in the books).
In short, she's a kid who doesn't know what to do, so she stays where she is.
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| Posted: Fri, 8th Jun 2012 18:58 Post subject: |
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| MinderMast wrote: | | madmax17 wrote: | | tonizito wrote: | | Joffrey is probably going to make sansa eat it; she then chokes and dies, perfect start for season 3 |
I couldn't believe that even after the king dumped her pathetic ass she still refused Baelish offer to get out, wtf. That's like the third time she was offered a way out and she responds like a robot "I'm loyal to king Joffrey" the king that killed your father, beats you up, a king she DOESN'T EVEN LIKE, dumb cunt. |
My take on all those moments was that she is just afraid and/or does not trust the people who offer to help, thinking that she will just fail to escape or make things worse.
Also perhaps she is hatching a plan of her own of sorts, or thinks she can do something from the inside, so to speak
I always thought it was made quite obvious that she was just trying to pretend to be an obedient "hostage". All by herself, trying to survive... |
She's not being presented to us as someone that's capable of 'hatching' anything, only as someone who can faint, and listens to orders from just about anyone.
I doubt she's capable of anything on her own, and the way they refer to her as 'dove' or 'little bird' which suits her fine, she's an innocent, scared, naive girl not a hatcher. |
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| Posted: Fri, 8th Jun 2012 19:00 Post subject: |
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| madmax17 wrote: | | Mister_s wrote: | | Why would a girl, who's in the middle of a cesspool of backstabbing bastards, accept an offer from some guy? Baelish should be one of the last guys anyone trusts. |
Can't be worse than being abused all day can it, the king is tormenting her physically, the queen psychologically and now she gets dumped by the king which renders her useless for all she knows she can die for the 'crimes' of her brother or end up in the dungeon, how much abuse do you need to take in order to leave?
If it was me I would leave/kill the bastard in his sleep the day he cut my dad's head. |
It could be exactly the same and easily worse.
As I said, the way I see it, she is just afraid and does not know who to trust. Her reasoning is that the best hope to survive would be to pretend to be a "good girl", and trying to run away or jabbering about how much of a prick Joffrey is to every stranger who expresses a seeming concern (in a place where everyone is lying through their teeth every step of the way) is not going to help at all. She is surrounded by the enemy, all by herself with no one to help...
Of course it's just how I see it, but it makes perfect sense. She hasn't exactly been known for her heroic actions up until that point.
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| madmax17 wrote: | She's not being presented to us as someone that's capable of 'hatching' anything, only as someone who can faint, and listens to orders from just about anyone.
I doubt she's capable of anything on her own, and the way they refer to her as 'dove' or 'little bird' which suits her fine, she's an innocent, scared, naive girl not a hatcher. |
I partly agree, the theory of her planning something is not something I considered likely. But in line with that character, she is also not the one to chop people's heads off in retaliation like you expect her to (even though admitting yourself that she is not that kind of a person)
The one thing I would add, is that she is quite obviously not naive as people seem to think, she knows people around her are not who they seem to be most of the time, so she does not advertise here true feelings.
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| Posted: Fri, 8th Jun 2012 19:01 Post subject: |
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That's the point, she's a lady, unlike Arya. That's the character. You can't expect her to go all Rambo on Joffrey.
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| Posted: Fri, 8th Jun 2012 19:10 Post subject: |
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No but I can expect her to at least want to leave and go home.
She did want to push Joffrey of the bridge when she was forced to watch her dad's head on a spike.
And that bearded adviser was annoying in the last episode, "I talked to the Gods, you can marry this bitch" bla bla, you talked my ass, the only one that's talking to that old bastard is the hooker and that's only because she getting paid to listen to his ramblings.
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| Posted: Fri, 8th Jun 2012 19:17 Post subject: |
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| madmax17 wrote: | No but I can expect her to at least want to leave and go home.
She did want to push Joffrey of the bridge when she was forced to watch her dad's head on a spike. |
The point is, she does want to leave. But she can't exactly walk all the way through enemy lines. She probably doesn't even know where to go, even if she somehow managed to leave the city and avoid being captured (they do need her as a hostage after all). As you said yourself, shes is not really the scheming type.
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