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Lutzifer
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 Posted: Sun, 24th Jun 2012 23:09 Post subject: |
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@shakabutt: they COULD have made a game where you get the gear you need on your way through the levels without grinding. Countless aRPGs have managed to do that just fine. That they made the game the way they did, is a testament to their greed imho.
Yes, people will be willing to pay for help in the higher levels, but why even bother, its the same story and the same levels? If they didnt get the balancing "right" for an SP / coop game, so that you HAVE to buy stuff just to enjoy it, isnt that a broken game?
Me: Wont buy, wont play.
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| Posted: Sun, 24th Jun 2012 23:22 Post subject: |
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| Lutzifer wrote: | @shakabutt: they COULD have made a game where you get the gear you need on your way through the levels without grinding. Countless aRPGs have managed to do that just fine. That they made the game the way they did, is a testament to their greed imho.
Yes, people will be willing to pay for help in the higher levels, but why even bother, its the same story and the same levels? If they didnt get the balancing "right" for an SP / coop game, so that you HAVE to buy stuff just to enjoy it, isnt that a broken game?
Me: Wont buy, wont play. |
Theres no point in arguing over this, the game is what it is, clearly not everyone's cup of tea, it comes down to the fact that if you liked how diablo 2 did things you will love how this one does it, grinding was and is a large hook for both games.
The fact that people are playing the same content for over 10 years is a testament to this.
Except in D3 you don't have uncrontrolled/unsecure item trading, duping,hacking and in here you have a system that manages that.
Like i said, people who love the diablo franchise love it because of the grind first, lore and story second.
And don't tell me D2 was born bug free,with unbalances and stuff like that, its still receiving patches to this day.
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Lutzifer
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| Posted: Sun, 24th Jun 2012 23:28 Post subject: |
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well, i loved diablo, and disliked d2, so it s not a big loss for me. And yes, if people like it, they will play it.
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| Posted: Sun, 24th Jun 2012 23:45 Post subject: |
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Afaik, diablo 2 had significantly better drops all around.
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Werelds
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| Posted: Mon, 25th Jun 2012 00:38 Post subject: |
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In D1/2 you could actually farm the stuff you needed for the most part. In this one, the stuff you need drops in the next act for ranged (used to anyway, I'll get to that in a minute), 2 acts ahead for melee. The stuff you do get won't sell for shit usually.
Lathi and I have been farming act 3 for a while now. In the past 7-10 days we haven't seen a single drop that'll sell for over 100k and even those were few and far between. Never, and I mean absolutely never, did we find any 1h over 700 DPS. Tonight we went to act 2 for a change and I find an axe with 892 DPS (and a 1.1k 2h, 1k xbow, etc). The current situation? Bosses are worthless and act 2 is a thousand times more profitable to farm than act 3. Gold/magic drops not only cover the little repairs you get but even make it profitable and the rares are much better. Meanwhile, act 3 is still broken for melee with the 30+ million gear check to even survive, for barbs it's much higher if you also want to help and DPS effectively.
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| Posted: Mon, 25th Jun 2012 00:41 Post subject: |
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ppl mighthave played d2 for 10 years but times change ;<
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| Posted: Mon, 25th Jun 2012 01:10 Post subject: |
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| Werelds wrote: | In D1/2 you could actually farm the stuff you needed for the most part. In this one, the stuff you need drops in the next act for ranged (used to anyway, I'll get to that in a minute), 2 acts ahead for melee. The stuff you do get won't sell for shit usually.
Lathi and I have been farming act 3 for a while now. In the past 7-10 days we haven't seen a single drop that'll sell for over 100k and even those were few and far between. Never, and I mean absolutely never, did we find any 1h over 700 DPS. Tonight we went to act 2 for a change and I find an axe with 892 DPS (and a 1.1k 2h, 1k xbow, etc). The current situation? Bosses are worthless and act 2 is a thousand times more profitable to farm than act 3. Gold/magic drops not only cover the little repairs you get but even make it profitable and the rares are much better. Meanwhile, act 3 is still broken for melee with the 30+ million gear check to even survive, for barbs it's much higher if you also want to help and DPS effectively. |
Nothing that a patch can't fix,bashiok said on the d3 forums that the drops in ACT 3 are gonna be fixed
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Werelds
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| Posted: Mon, 25th Jun 2012 01:15 Post subject: |
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They should never have been broken to begin with. And if not intentionally broken, hotfixed already. And the patch did not fix the balance issues, a nerf bat is not the solution.
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| Posted: Mon, 25th Jun 2012 03:34 Post subject: |
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| Werelds wrote: | | They should never have been broken to begin with. And if not intentionally broken, hotfixed already. And the patch did not fix the balance issues, a nerf bat is not the solution. |
+1 and this is from someone still enjoying the game despite rubber banding stutter stupid nerfs et all
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| Posted: Mon, 25th Jun 2012 03:52 Post subject: |
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I wish I could understand what makes ppl kiss the prick of a greedhead whose reaching right up every stupido mugs arse to play him like a glove puppet while the dingbat slobbers up the cum n calls it gold dust.
If I could understand that mystery dance I reckon I'd hafta to toss a coin to see whether to join the greedies gang or build a vaccine.
I like hack in slash dungeon crawler type games and don't mind playing d3 on the days when the servers aren't so laggy u get killed by a rubberband, n u can't pick up shit that isn't at least 2 acts outta date, but nothing on earth would inspire me to reward blizzard's greedy incompetence by paying them to make the game easier for myself. I've had the same as everyone else in terms of unjust death caused by the fucked upness of the game but I would almost rather give money to those sleazy lying ripoffs over at cheat happens to buy a fuckin cheat machine to win a game, than give money to blzzass to do the same thing.
The two acts are identical buying a cheat machine or buying better gear- the only difference is that those scumbags at cheat happens have a slight edge on morality over blizzass who already own the last dollar I'm ever gonnna give em.
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| Posted: Mon, 25th Jun 2012 04:20 Post subject: |
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| Shakabutt wrote: | | Werelds wrote: | In D1/2 you could actually farm the stuff you needed for the most part. In this one, the stuff you need drops in the next act for ranged (used to anyway, I'll get to that in a minute), 2 acts ahead for melee. The stuff you do get won't sell for shit usually.
Lathi and I have been farming act 3 for a while now. In the past 7-10 days we haven't seen a single drop that'll sell for over 100k and even those were few and far between. Never, and I mean absolutely never, did we find any 1h over 700 DPS. Tonight we went to act 2 for a change and I find an axe with 892 DPS (and a 1.1k 2h, 1k xbow, etc). The current situation? Bosses are worthless and act 2 is a thousand times more profitable to farm than act 3. Gold/magic drops not only cover the little repairs you get but even make it profitable and the rares are much better. Meanwhile, act 3 is still broken for melee with the 30+ million gear check to even survive, for barbs it's much higher if you also want to help and DPS effectively. |
Nothing that a patch can't fix,bashiok said on the d3 forums that the drops in ACT 3 are gonna be fixed |
Are you so blind you do no realize they did this on purpose? I watched the evolution of their responses. First they denied anything was wrong with the drops, then when users started to provide their findings (guys who did runs and kept track of 100's of rare drops) that Act 3 was dropping less ilevel 63 items then Act 2 was (at about half the rate) they finally conceded to the fact their was an issue and they will look in to it. A game based around loot and drop rates that need to be ever changing as they said themselves due to the AH either becoming saturated or desaturated with items, is coded so they can make the mistake of accidently nerfing the drop rates while trying to increase other drop rates? complete horse shit, tehy wanted to buff Act 1/2's drop rates and nerf the hell out of Act 3/4 so the market would remain stale and lead people to the RMAH. Its not even the tinfoil hat theory, its simply what they are doing and its garbage.
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W123
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| Posted: Mon, 25th Jun 2012 05:48 Post subject: |
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Bored with this game. Anyone want to try MedianXL?
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trashci
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| Posted: Mon, 25th Jun 2012 12:23 Post subject: |
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This game just started to remind me Justin Bieber. Diablo is a product owned by Blizzard, and Justin Bieber is a product of his own producers. He is a marketing success, has lots of fangirls and still continues to sell, earn money to the producers. Diablo 3 has lots of 'fanboys', and has history and still continues to bring money to Blizzard as a cashcow.
Marketing and success in sales =/= quality. Yes, this game has some quality but it's mostly because of hard polishing work. Just like Justin Bieber's style, haircut and through those qualifications, dumb girls whom admiries him.
I like to play Diablo 3, gameplay is great. But nothing else.
My cousin's little daughter listens to Justin Bieber, but she doesn't even know what the fuck he is singing about.
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| Posted: Mon, 25th Jun 2012 12:41 Post subject: |
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I like to play Diablo 3, gameplay is great. But nothing else.
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What more is there to it? If a game has -all things considered - good gameplay, then it's a good game in my book.
The Justin Bieber comparison kind of falls off here: Bieber's fans are mostly young girls (i.e. you might make an argument that his music only appeals to less mature audiences), but the "fans" of Diablo 3 vary from new gamers to old, very experienced ones (so it's rather a matter of taste, liking/disliking the AH and online stuff etc.).
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trashci
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| Posted: Mon, 25th Jun 2012 12:50 Post subject: |
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They're young girls, and we're gamer fags. Different audiences, but same goal: Making, squizing money.
I don't know my example could be idiotic, you get the memo.
I just reinstalled Torchlight and in terms of variety, it kicks D3's ass so hard. I'm playing this ranged class, but all I do is pump elemental damage, summon archer and melee skeletons. Semi D2 Necro and semi D3 Demon Hunter. Lots of charms, with those charms you can just make lots of different builds. And every class has 3 different skill trees you can pick from and you can combine them. There's a mod that allows you to make hybrid classes. Lots of unique items(low levels and some with unique abilities).
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| Posted: Mon, 25th Jun 2012 12:51 Post subject: |
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Gameplay mechanics are not everything for Diablo. When loot system sucks the game won't keep you playing for hundred of hours as the predecessor did. I like D3, it kept me for quite a long time and I got my money worth. However I'd hoped it would keep me playing for loot for much longer. At this moment all you have to work toward higher DPS weapon, more of your primary stats, vitality, all resistance/and or crit damage/crit chance (until they nerf it like they did IAS). This is boring design, especially since majority of your loot will be vendor trash. And when loot isn't exciting, repeated runs of same content gets boring really quickly. Currently you pretty much hope for some ~100k items to drop that you can sell on AH, make enough money to buy some sweet item from AH for millions, rinse and repeat it for all 13 slots of your character. That, or play AH, but then there's no point in playing the game anymore.
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| Posted: Mon, 25th Jun 2012 13:18 Post subject: |
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Im starting to bot the shit out of this game now. Otherwise no chance for good gear, besides wasting a few hundret dollars in the RMAH.
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VonMises
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| Posted: Mon, 25th Jun 2012 13:57 Post subject: |
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Aren't you afraid of getting your BNet account banned?
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chiv
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| Posted: Mon, 25th Jun 2012 13:59 Post subject: |
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pretty sure using the mouse with the wrong hand, unless form bzmh-48b has been filled out and approved, is grounds for banning on bnet, so yes. i can see that as definately bannable.
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Przepraszam
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| Posted: Mon, 25th Jun 2012 14:11 Post subject: |
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but those crappy autoit programs are fine, been using them since release, but i didnt gold farm with them
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Przepraszam
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| Posted: Mon, 25th Jun 2012 18:43 Post subject: |
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| PickupArtist wrote: | i wonder, if you bot and get caught, what would happen to the money you already received in your paypall ? would they retract it , give the customers money back and delete the bottet items  |
Nah, Blizzard would take it as "evidence" in an on-going investigation  |
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Przepraszam
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VonMisk
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| Posted: Mon, 25th Jun 2012 21:15 Post subject: |
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Just got the "not getting exp" bug. Lol I didn't thought it's random.
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One more thing I was farming some levels before Azmodan for better gear on nightmare and after 2 hours of getting nothing but junk I finally broke. Got to GAH and bought some far better weapons. And suddenly magically the mobs started to drop 5-6 levels better gear on the levels I was farming before. Still worse than what I have bought but WTF?
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