IMO, hiphop isn't music.
I'd say it's closer to "poetry" than it is to "music", it just happens to be the lowest form of poetry centered around assez, bitchez and gangstaz.
Gotta love how people think hip-hop and rap is all about gay retards like 50 cent and kanye west who's rapping about "hoes n bitches and cars with rimz yo".
Thats not rap. It's not hip-hop. It's just regular kiddy pop.
Real rap (which is not about how many hoes you fuck, or how big rims/tv/ass you got) is real poetry with a beat running in the background.
But thats just something you ignorant people will never understand, since you're too busy listening to great artists with great lyrics like Justin Bieber.
yes, lets give a rap song from 30 years ago when it was forming as an example of how it evolved...
No more valid that one of us posting BB king in return about the rock/metal comment above in defense of it.
GrandMaster, and ANY rap in the last 20 years is apples to oranges.
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. keep staying ignorant tho you seem to do fine at that
And so does the majority of Rap, you cannot pinpoint the rare exceptions of the norm now-adays, as its being the 'norm'.
Generally the rap that sells and propagates the stereotype of it by those that support it, is the 'norm'.
Can we say true Polka music isn't generally a European folk style of music, because 5-10% or so of those that play it aren't white, older, folk music lovers?
If not, then we cant say that 'true' Rap music isn't about the stated above, because 5-10% of the artist AREN'T singing like that.
I find it Ironic that the defense for what rap music evolved into, is pointing to the skirt edges of its singing base, and going "see these handful of artist are purposely trying to make NOT about that, to remove the image, to take it back to what it was looong ago"
That means they themselves acknowledge the problem with rap as it is, and trying to evolve it again out of the cliche parody its labeled itself as....
I mean if they didn't admit it had a problem, why would they be going "we need to take it back to its roots".
There is even parodies OF the parody it is..by artist that sing it...
(yes I know its boondocks, and 'THUGNIFICENT' isnt a real rapper..but the guys behind him are that work with Carl Jones to come up with the characters, and do voice acting for Thugnificent's crew)
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"Before I strip the thong gave her the schlong and wrote this song
And it reads "Baby girl is everything I need"
Rollin' my weed that's why I fuck even when she bleed
Ya don't feel me but shorty even taught me how to slim down
Bailed me out of jail, got my car out the impound"
lyrically GENIUS!
Lets not forget the deep inspiring lyrically profound chorus of another one of his songs:
On your block, get your door knocked
Then by my warlocks, who wore glocks
And left you with stains too deep for Clorox
Run rap beneath sun cap, levels is untapped
Done laps around a spun mat, hoes get they buns slapped
.......
"You heard what I said"
"Makin money for the music that a nigga create"
"Makin money for the music that a nigga create"
"Nigga you heard what I said"
"Makin money for the music that a nigga create"
"For the, for the, music that a nigga create"
-We don't control what happens to us in life, but we control how we respond to what happens in life.
-Hard times create strong men, strong men create good times, good times create weak men, and weak men create hard times. -G. Michael Hopf
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yea assume dislike means ignorance, as the 2 are mutually the same correct?..great defense.
'good' gansta rap died with NWA, after that it was all rehashes with more 'edge' tried to be applied.
-We don't control what happens to us in life, but we control how we respond to what happens in life.
-Hard times create strong men, strong men create good times, good times create weak men, and weak men create hard times. -G. Michael Hopf
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And in the context of the subject we was discussing, how rap has turned into "money, bragging, flashing cash, and women".
I fail to see how that artist fits in a defense of it not being that...
I mean I like some STUPID artist, really dumb ones..but I admit upfront they have no meaning, other than entertainment for me. there is no 'self defense of validation' of why I listen to it based on it being 'deep. I'm the first to admit that all the ones like that I listen to have the depth of a paper plate...
Mosts today's raps fans cant admit that, that its its just fluff for the artist to brag and boast to sell by, and something for you to like listening to.
Thats all I'm saying. as if calling rap anything other than "a deep internal conflicting conundrum related in rhyme and strife" personally insults the listener..
-We don't control what happens to us in life, but we control how we respond to what happens in life.
-Hard times create strong men, strong men create good times, good times create weak men, and weak men create hard times. -G. Michael Hopf
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Disliking is one thing but trying to shove it in other peoples faces is retarded..
You dont like it? No problem.
Also you dont know shit about gangster rap kthx
id like to know what you listen to, link your playlist
Yep, as I'm sure you know my full and complete list of musical history, to assume "you dont know shit about gangster rap kthx".
And perhaps I don't know shit about it, perhaps the 2-3 years that I heard of it made me not concerned with knowing 'shit' about it beyond that
And I also fail to see how comparing completely different tastes and genres of music in playlist form can validate or discredit the conversation..its apples and oranges.
or is it an ego thing of dismissing one for support of the current?
-We don't control what happens to us in life, but we control how we respond to what happens in life.
-Hard times create strong men, strong men create good times, good times create weak men, and weak men create hard times. -G. Michael Hopf
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My 2 cents on music, my parents were old-fashioned. When I started to listen to rock music as teenager they repeatedly told me that it was no music. You figure out the moral of this story.
My 2 cents on music, my parents were old-fashioned. When I started to listen to rock music as teenager they repeatedly told me that it was no music. You figure out the moral of this story.
Not really. Hip hop isn't "new", it's older than me, I grew up confronted with it and yet I came to the conclusion that hip hop is just audiobooks of poems, mistakenly sold in the music section of record stores. My parents had zero influence on the music I listen to. They probably don't even know what Progressive Rock or Progressive Metal are.
You could apply that argument when someone says that dubstep isn't music .
Back to you, you fail to convince me why Hip Hop is not music and btw I stopped listening to the uneducated opinions of my parents years before that.
me7 wrote:
IMO, hiphop isn't music.
I'd say it's closer to "poetry" than it is to "music", it just happens to be the lowest form of poetry centered around assez, bitchez and gangstaz.
This is probably where we disagree. You seem concentrated on lyrics (like many hip hop fans are). I don't consider lyrics to be an important part of music. If music consists of melodies and lyrics, fine. If it consists of melodies only, fine as well. But something that is only centered around lyrics and ignores melodies isn't really music IMO, it's poetry.
Nah I concentrate on the whole. Music is the whole of rhythms, melodies and lyrics.
Sometimes in experimental music performers shake up what people think is normal.
And in case you didn't notice there is melody in the way Hip Hop performers rap.
Anyway my original point was that some people call something not music because they don't like it.
Let me show you some subculture Dutch music (genre called "songs of life"):
I find it so horrible that I would like to call it garbage instead of music.
Edit: Is this music?
Edit2: Trying to rationalise art in this case poetry:
Let me show you some subculture Dutch music (genre called "songs of life"):
I find it so horrible that I would like to call it garbage instead of music.
I see your levenslied and raise you one
I personally can listen to a lot of music, but in some genres there's very little I like. What makes music good for me can be just the music (or a part of it, like just the guitar play or melody etc.), sometimes it's just the lyrics but most of the time it's both. is one where the lyrics are just brilliant (and it's one of those subjects that are still a bit taboo, more points). To me, it's still music and not poetry - it's not some vague fucking artsy piece of text that noone understands (most poetry is to me anyway, I don't find anything "beautiful" about it). It also has changing rhythms, a bass line, a backing melody, changes in intonation and so on. Meanwhile, the lyrics tell a great, true story in plain simple language.
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