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Jenni
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I see this as no difference to Tesco's when they were selling Levi 501's from outside of Europe. The grey market has been clamped down on for years. I think any company that tries to stop this, doesn't have it's consumers interests at heart. More lightly they're thinking of lost profits.
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| Posted: Thu, 14th Jul 2005 07:45 Post subject: |
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| internal_storm wrote: |
I don't actually get the games myself, they do all the processing for me. And the game would be in Thai and you would either have to copy all the files off the CD's onto your HD and then tweak the install files or go into the registry depending on the game. The game manual and box would all be in Thai, and if you are installing the Thai version of BF2 for example, you can ONLY play on Thai servers. It's not CD Key bound but it is game bound so if you have a Thai version of the game it will only allow you to access Thai servers.
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internal_storm, how about you show us some box shots of a few different titles? The boxes and manuals that are supposedly in Thai perhaps? Prove all the nay-sayers wrong. 
dyn IP addys, subnet & mac spoofs, email routing, and if all else fails, wi-fi. banned? lol, its more like brb. =p
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Jenni
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| Posted: Thu, 14th Jul 2005 07:52 Post subject: |
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He said he doesn't get the games. However, equally as good and as to prove he's not pinching the codes from the shelves. How about posting an invoice for the purchases he's made?
Seeing that you're dealing with a Thai company, you'll have a Thai invoice to show them that you're not lying.
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| Posted: Thu, 14th Jul 2005 08:08 Post subject: |
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| Posted: Thu, 14th Jul 2005 08:15 Post subject: |
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BTW I have a new supplier for BF2 so there shouldn't be anymore stock shortages anymore. This new supplier won't give me any background detail as to his operations because of importation issues but deals with EA Thai directly and can get me as many BF2 as I need in a timely fashion because of all the stock they have. EA Thai now takes a day and a half to process and deliver orders because they are running out of stock.
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Jenni
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| Posted: Thu, 14th Jul 2005 08:15 Post subject: |
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Looks like Storm is telling the truth then.
I wish you luck with your endeavour.
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| Posted: Thu, 14th Jul 2005 09:31 Post subject: |
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i told that was irrilevaln wether or not he buys games, the reselling thingh from thailand soon or late will create troubles
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Jenni
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| Posted: Thu, 14th Jul 2005 09:39 Post subject: |
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Maybe for him. But I think the consumers are getting a great deal. Cut price licences that can be played online. Who cares about the disks and boxes. More and more games are being sold electronically through download. Just with games like HL2, they're being charged exorbitant prices. This way you're getting the best of both worlds. A legal game at a cut price. It may be illegal to sell them, but I seriously doubt it's illegal to use them.
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| Posted: Thu, 14th Jul 2005 09:51 Post subject: |
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http://www.zest.co.th
dyn IP addys, subnet & mac spoofs, email routing, and if all else fails, wi-fi. banned? lol, its more like brb. =p
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crossmr
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[sYn]
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| Posted: Thu, 14th Jul 2005 17:33 Post subject: |
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Selt, crossmr. Agree'ed!
As I said before I based my opinion on the facts at hand, which up until this point showed me that what he was doing was legal. However, the screenshot provided by Selt shows that the website which we belive the keys are purchased from shows the true legality.
I hope you guys didnt think I was trying to be an ass  .
Either way I do feel IS was acting on a wonderful business sense, its a shame the way he is doing it was not so legal. However, its connections to piracy are in my eyes just as flakey. There was a guy in my college back in the day (a good few years ago now) who would sell things he bought from Amazon, sure he was making money out of people with very little work, but he was simply exploiting peoples lack of experience.. It happens a lot in life, the legality of it is very sketchy, but its a rare occasion when the person in question gets damaged from it.
Ah well, we all know where to get the keys for cheap now, so the issue is solved .. happy days 
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bnf
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| Posted: Thu, 14th Jul 2005 19:34 Post subject: |
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| Jenni wrote: | | Maybe for him. But I think the consumers are getting a great deal. Cut price licences that can be played online. Who cares about the disks and boxes. More and more games are being sold electronically through download. Just with games like HL2, they're being charged exorbitant prices. This way you're getting the best of both worlds. A legal game at a cut price. It may be illegal to sell them, but I seriously doubt it's illegal to use them. |
You do not get a legal game. The key might be legit, but you're still using it with an illegal copy of the game.
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| Posted: Thu, 14th Jul 2005 20:21 Post subject: |
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| bnf wrote: | | Jenni wrote: | | Maybe for him. But I think the consumers are getting a great deal. Cut price licences that can be played online. Who cares about the disks and boxes. More and more games are being sold electronically through download. Just with games like HL2, they're being charged exorbitant prices. This way you're getting the best of both worlds. A legal game at a cut price. It may be illegal to sell them, but I seriously doubt it's illegal to use them. |
You do not get a legal game. The key might be legit, but you're still using it with an illegal copy of the game. |
Not really... you are paying for the entire game really, just not recieving it. However you install it is up to you. If you download the game DVD, well, that's just a backup of what you already OWN but just don't have in your immediate possesion (maybe it was lost, or in this case just not recieved).
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[sYn]
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| Posted: Thu, 14th Jul 2005 20:25 Post subject: |
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| internal_storm wrote: | | Not really... you are paying for the entire game really, just not recieving it. However you install it is up to you. If you download the game DVD, well, that's just a backup of what you already OWN but just don't have in your immediate possesion (maybe it was lost, or in this case just not recieved). |
This is true, your purchasing a lisence to use that game, that includes having a backup copy.
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| Posted: Thu, 14th Jul 2005 20:28 Post subject: |
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dear IS, u'r not the legislator and what u say is not THE LAW by default. downloading a game, wether or not u own a legit boxed copy of it, it's not legal...
the ONLY ways to use legally those keys are:
1- u lost your key but u own the original dvd/cd to install the game
2- u use your friend's original dvd/cd to install the game with your legit cdkey...
however, selling a key from a thai box to non thai customer is not legal... i wouldn't be so sure to be in the right if i was u, if someone (EA, valve, vivendi discovers the site there might be trouble... they will not just ask to shut the site down, they'll probably ask for more)
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| Posted: Thu, 14th Jul 2005 21:02 Post subject: |
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| Selt wrote: | dear IS, u'r not the legislator and what u say is not THE LAW by default. downloading a game, wether or not u own a legit boxed copy of it, it's not legal...
the ONLY ways to use legally those keys are:
1- u lost your key but u own the original dvd/cd to install the game
2- u use your friend's original dvd/cd to install the game with your legit cdkey...
however, selling a key from a thai box to non thai customer is not legal... i wouldn't be so sure to be in the right if i was u, if someone (EA, valve, vivendi discovers the site there might be trouble... they will not just ask to shut the site down, they'll probably ask for more) |
If you read the entire thread you would know that:
A) I have recieved e-mails from Epic Games Attorney
B) I have recieved e-mails from Ubisoft Legal department
and...
C) I have replied to BOTH telling them exactly where the keys were from, and have not heard back since. This was maybe a month or two ago... that is all I can say.
I am not saying I am a legislator, and I am NOT telling people to download games if that is illegal. I AM saying that I am selling legit retail CD Keys and whoever buys or in whatever means they obtain or install the game via the game's media, I am not responsible nor do I really care. Once again, I am not selling to non-Thai customers, but rather, I am selling to the entire internet. Whoever buys, they are the customer, I supply the product.
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| Posted: Thu, 14th Jul 2005 21:40 Post subject: |
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ok, no more time to waste here. selling keys/boxes from thailand is not legal, full stop, no dobut about that.
if/when someone shuts down the sites you'll see that i was right.
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| Posted: Thu, 14th Jul 2005 21:52 Post subject: |
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| Posted: Thu, 14th Jul 2005 22:09 Post subject: |
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crossmr
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| Posted: Fri, 15th Jul 2005 04:41 Post subject: |
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Pallebrun: You're missing the point.
Regardless of whether or not you're paying IS for a key that was purchased from IS, the key is NOT legal for sale outside of thailand. Is there some point of logic you just can't seem to grasp here?
yes money changed hands between EA and a seller, but that item that was purchased comes with restrictions.
He is violating those restrictions by selling them to individuals who live outside Thailand.
The sale is not legal. What he's doing is actually known as smuggling.
Noun
* S: (n) smuggling (secretly importing prohibited goods or goods on which duty is due)
The goods are prohibited from sale outside of thailand. He has smuggled them into other countries by doing what he's doing.
He theoretically could face prosecution for smuggling (which most countries do not take lightly) in any country a user has purchased the key in.
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| Posted: Fri, 15th Jul 2005 05:00 Post subject: |
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Who fucking cares how he gets them - shit, if he wants to go to walmart and steal it and sell it to me, thats fine by me. Appreciate the destination, not the journey.
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I don't want you knowing where I live or anyone else... and "tcghost," CoD UO was out of stock for the longest time, and it still is, and I offered you a full refund way back a month or so ago when you ordered but you said you would wait. So I tried my best to get a key for you and had to buy it from a friend but I never checked it first as I'm busy these days... but ya, as I said refund is coming.
