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Just because they didnt write back doesnt mean they dont care. I have seen big game makers go apeshit over much smaller things. I wouldnt suprise me if they are building a case right now...
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| Posted: Fri, 15th Jul 2005 12:00 Post subject: |
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hey guys are any of these still selling battlfield 2 cdkeys valid ones to play on ea ranked servers?
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crossmr
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| Posted: Fri, 15th Jul 2005 14:15 Post subject: |
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| airhog wrote: | | Just because they didnt write back doesnt mean they dont care. I have seen big game makers go apeshit over much smaller things. I wouldnt suprise me if they are building a case right now... |
Bingo.
Just because they've said nothing doesn't meant they're not doing anything.
Corporations move very slowly. Especially large ones. The only time they move fast is in a crisis. This is not a crisis.
They could let you go for 6 months without a word then turn around and sue you. Or they could let it go for 6 months, dig up all the information they have and turn it over to customs.
For all you know they're currently attempting to track which keys you've sold and trying to locate where they're being used to make a case against you.
In a case like this, you want a nice crisp letter in your hand from each companies lawyers telling you that what you're doing in no way violates their licenses of use and they won't go after you in any legal manner in any country.
And you want to make alot of copies of it. Until you have that, I wouldn't be so smug.
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| Posted: Fri, 15th Jul 2005 17:21 Post subject: |
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With your logic all the cd/dvd-burner manufactures also hurt the scene.
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| Posted: Fri, 15th Jul 2005 17:27 Post subject: |
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| pallebrun wrote: | | With your logic all the cd/dvd-burner manufactures also hurt the scene. |
nope, avery computer sold now have a dvd-rw drive, nothing to do with the scene... selling cdkeys bought for 14 dollars each to people who download a clone release, that hurts the scene
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| Posted: Fri, 15th Jul 2005 17:35 Post subject: |
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take a little time to think next time... if u cannot understand the difference between these two things then i don't know how i can talk to u.
someone asked why i care so much - i answered. that's it
cya
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Bigperm
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| Posted: Fri, 15th Jul 2005 17:50 Post subject: |
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| [sYn] wrote: | | SoSBigperm wrote: | | And syn.. how could this not be releated to piracy. Why else would he sell so many keys without copies of the games? Becasue everyone bought them, but lost there key. And instead of trying to contact the software companies to get a new key (I have done this by sending them my Original CD) they pay more money for one? |
Yes  .
Im simply saying that sure enough the users may have bad intentions, but that doesnt mean the site owner does. As for your comments about him not getting any money from this, he supplies a service. Do you also think Amazon should provide a service commision free? Your logic is flawed.
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Stating my Logic is flawed (What are you Data from startrek..LMAO) by referencing what IS is doing vs Amazon.com???, Whos logic is flawed? Come on now. What IS is doing is leaching off the "Scene" becasue if it wasnt around, he wouldnt be selling keys. As i said before he found a trade "Loop Hole" , and he is exploiting it. Its something called business Integrity (no matter what you EA EULA says, even though i think you read into it wrong) which it seem many people here donot have or no anything about. I will gladly support "LIGITIMATE BUSINESS" , people that deserve my hard earned dollar, not some scum bag who found a loop hole to sell
Thia CD-KEYs at maked down prices to make a quick buck. The reason the price is cheap, is becasue those CD-KEYS are not intended for North America. It easy to say "Well i didnt have the facts, or its not writen in the letter of the law" Well for fuck sakes, use your head . If we all keep having this attitude there will be more and more scum like this earning money off the hard works of others, contributing to the endless legal BS that plauges us today. Turn a blind eye if you must, then you are no better than him.
If it walks like a duck, talks like a duck...i dont need a legal document to say its a duck. Its a fucking duck. Its called Ethics.
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Phluxed
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| Posted: Fri, 15th Jul 2005 18:14 Post subject: |
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Not to state the obvious, but... this is Nforce... ethics? 
I understand what you're getting at though. I've always had a problem with the overpricing of many games however, and one can argue the case that they are priced according to their time in development, the staff and whatnot, but really, for the most part thats bullshit. If that were true then why does a game thats no where near the quality of Half Life 2 or the like cost more or less the same?
The 'scene' I believe has a moral purpose of 'sticking it to the man' in order to stop the production of these half-assed games, and continue putting effort into something rather than just bang out a game for a quick buck. The problem with this site I'm seeing is that they are offering many quality games that deserve to be bought at full price. I mean, Warcraft and the likes should NOT by any means still be going for $40 at stores, which they are around here, but games like Battlefield 2, brand spanking new, are aptly priced in stores.
I apologize for any rambling that took place, as I haven't slept in about 40 hours.
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Bigperm
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| Posted: Fri, 15th Jul 2005 22:33 Post subject: |
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I agree Phluxed.. But i feel the "Scene" and Nforce are based on ethics. Sure there are alot of leechers and such, but the core or old schoolers i feel still beleve in the ideas and principals which made the "Scene". These principals are exactly as you said "To stick it to the man for releasing over priced junk, therefore we can try before we buy" Not try and then buy some cheap Cd-key from so guy in Thia land.
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nightlith
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crossmr
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| Posted: Sat, 16th Jul 2005 05:37 Post subject: |
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remember that not all of that $50 filters back to development cost.
By the time you work in the front end stores I believe the number is around $33 that filters back to publisher after you get past all the stores and distribution fo the title.
$33/title though is still quite a bit. problem is, most games don't sell 1 million copies. If htey do you hear about it. HEard about it a whole lot lately? Most are lucky to sell 100,000.
which only works out to about 3.3 million which usually doesn't pass break even land.
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Phluxed
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| Posted: Sat, 16th Jul 2005 07:51 Post subject: |
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You're forgetting all these foreign keys and such though, and the advertisements some of the companies get. For instance, in the beginning of Battlefield 2, that Nvidia logo that we all know and love (i think its there anyway), Nvidia IS putting some money into the game to get that logo there, and to package the drivers WITH the game like that. Theres so much to take into account that it might even deserve its own thread.
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The Rat
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| Posted: Sat, 16th Jul 2005 11:32 Post subject: |
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Everyone keeps talking about how much money is saved by not having to produce a box or a manual. I have spoken to a game developer about how much packaging costs and he responded that it is not as expensive as everyone thinks. He said that the usual cost per unit is about .50 cents American.
So don't bring up lack of packaging as an excuse for how he can sell CD Keys at such low prices.
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| Posted: Sat, 16th Jul 2005 18:01 Post subject: |
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| Posted: Sun, 17th Jul 2005 00:54 Post subject: |
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Bought 2 copies @ GKS, friend and I have been playing ever since. How much are YOU going to pay, $49 for 1 copy? I got 2 copies for $47. Suckers.
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[sYn]
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| Posted: Sun, 17th Jul 2005 09:26 Post subject: |
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zhast probably don't export key to u anymore, cuz they know u are a reseller and selling to u would be illegal.
if i buy a copy from zhest and i ask for the cdkey only they send it to me with no problems at all. i'm not a reseller, i'm just buying one for my use, and that's is allowed
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| Posted: Sun, 17th Jul 2005 21:36 Post subject: |
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| Selt wrote: | zhast probably don't export key to u anymore, cuz they know u are a reseller and selling to u would be illegal.
if i buy a copy from zhest and i ask for the cdkey only they send it to me with no problems at all. i'm not a reseller, i'm just buying one for my use, and that's is allowed |
EA Thailand is the one that is trying to stop that sort of thing, not the actual companies. They just do what they are told. EA Thailand is THE WORST distributor in Thailand. The other companies don't care and sell as many as needed. That's why I am just buying through a different company now and they have no problem with supplying me with the game.
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| Posted: Sun, 17th Jul 2005 21:39 Post subject: |
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| internal_storm wrote: | | Selt wrote: | zhast probably don't export key to u anymore, cuz they know u are a reseller and selling to u would be illegal.
if i buy a copy from zhest and i ask for the cdkey only they send it to me with no problems at all. i'm not a reseller, i'm just buying one for my use, and that's is allowed |
EA Thailand is the one that is trying to stop that sort of thing, not the actual companies. They just do what they are told. EA Thailand is THE WORST distributor in Thailand. The other companies don't care and sell as many as needd. That's why I am just buying through a different company now and they have no problem with supplying me with the game. |
worst distributor for u? cuz they don't let resell keys like u'r doing? funny way of looking at the world...
if i was u i would me worried about ea gettinh angry with me...
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| Posted: Mon, 18th Jul 2005 05:45 Post subject: |
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| Selt wrote: | | internal_storm wrote: | | Selt wrote: | zhast probably don't export key to u anymore, cuz they know u are a reseller and selling to u would be illegal.
if i buy a copy from zhest and i ask for the cdkey only they send it to me with no problems at all. i'm not a reseller, i'm just buying one for my use, and that's is allowed |
EA Thailand is the one that is trying to stop that sort of thing, not the actual companies. They just do what they are told. EA Thailand is THE WORST distributor in Thailand. The other companies don't care and sell as many as needd. That's why I am just buying through a different company now and they have no problem with supplying me with the game. |
worst distributor for u? cuz they don't let resell keys like u'r doing? funny way of looking at the world...
if i was u i would me worried about ea gettinh angry with me... |
No no, I never said they were the worst because of that.  Let me explain... people in Thailand DO NOT want their games in the Thai language. Don't ask me why, I just know that they don't like it. Simple. Now, EA Thai is the only distributor- let me say that again- the ONLY distributor in Thailand that makes the game media in Thai only. That means you pop in the DVD or CD's and install the game, only to play it in the Thai language. Games like Half-Life 2, San Andreas, and Barney and Friends are in English. The box and manual of course are in Thai, but the games themselves are in the English language. Why? Because that's the way Thai people want their games. They don't want half-assed Thai voiceovers, they want the English game the way it was meant to be played. EA Thai has totally ignored that fact. Don't believe me? Check the Zest forums. The Thai people can speak for themselves as they have in numerous threads.
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Jenni
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| Posted: Mon, 18th Jul 2005 07:09 Post subject: |
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Zest doesn't have a forum. 
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I honestely believe my guestimate is being very generous. No way does 4 years in development cost 80 mil)
It isn't working now... but it was when I checked it last year or so... haven't been there since. But it does exist at least even if you can't access it now.
