Prototype 2 [NR]
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PostPosted: Thu, 2nd Aug 2012 15:59    Post subject:
sabin1981 wrote:
Once again "changing settings doesn't affect my performance whatsoever, the framerate still drops" -- which you then blamed on my monitor. So no, I'm not arguing with you Smile

You did not say you changed options just that your GPU wasn't utilized fully. Then you put words in my mouth ("so you're saying that my i5-2500k at over 4Ghz is a bottleneck too?") I never said such a thing. I only wanted to help him finding the cause of his performance problem and then you came and started a heated discussion.
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PostPosted: Thu, 2nd Aug 2012 16:02    Post subject:
Yes I did Neutral

sabin1981 wrote:
It still doesn't answer why the performance drops down to 50s no matter what the settings Razz


The "heated discussion" is simply because you refuse to accept that the game is at fault and not people's machines, first claiming that the CPU is the bottleneck IF you're not using 100% on the GPU, then you start on with the "your monitor is a bottleneck" tripe. How is that helping anyone? Anyway... believe what you wish Smile You reckon our machines are at fault, I reckon the game is. Arguing is pointless since neither of us are going to concede ^_^
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PostPosted: Thu, 2nd Aug 2012 16:08    Post subject:
sabin1981 wrote:
Yes I did Neutral

sabin1981 wrote:
It still doesn't answer why the performance drops down to 50s no matter what the settings Razz


The "heated discussion" is simply because you refuse to accept that the game is at fault and not people's machines, first claiming that the CPU is the bottleneck IF you're not using 100% on the GPU, then you start on with the "your monitor is a bottleneck" tripe. How is that helping anyone? Anyway... believe what you wish Smile

OK, I stop now, it's no use arguing over things we can't change, like the quality of this port.
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PostPosted: Thu, 2nd Aug 2012 16:09    Post subject:


(oh and my apologies for coming off as overly aggressive, that wasn't my intention)

@shoshomiga

In regards to vsync+TB, there seems to be a split camp on whether or not it increases or decreases input lag - and not just amongst gamers either, but proper tech sites. In my case TB has always seemed to lessen input lag when running vsync.
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PostPosted: Thu, 2nd Aug 2012 16:27    Post subject:
Shoshomiga wrote:
It does reduce input lag that is created by vsync but it doesn't eliminate it, thats what I meant to say


I never disagreed with you, bud Smile I always said "alleviate" Smile
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PostPosted: Thu, 2nd Aug 2012 16:58    Post subject:
so you cant save during missions? i have 2 saves, and both of them loads to mission start.. why are there even checkpoints and save option..
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PostPosted: Thu, 2nd Aug 2012 17:04    Post subject:
actually, triple buffering increases input lag in perfect conditions. if you have constant 60 fps, then double buffering is a better choice. however, even in perfect conditions, most games have at least tiny occasions where framerate dips below 60fps, so triple buffering is a better choice for all but older games where even streaming doesnt budge the fps.

the input lag coming from triple buffered delay, is always more acceptable then the input lag that comes from a switch between 60 to 30fps that comes with double bufferinf, and that is why most people experience triple buffering as being bettter at reducing input lag then double buffering.


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PostPosted: Thu, 2nd Aug 2012 17:10    Post subject:
Smikis. wrote:
so you cant save during missions? i have 2 saves, and both of them loads to mission start.. why are there even checkpoints and save option..


you must be new to console ports Cool Face
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PostPosted: Thu, 2nd Aug 2012 18:59    Post subject:
hey men, what does the statement say?
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PostPosted: Thu, 2nd Aug 2012 19:07    Post subject:
Prototype_2_STATEMENT_READNFO-FLT

Code:
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Prototype 2 (c) Activision Blizzard
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: Supplied by: FAIRLIGHT : : Release Date: 28/07/2012 :
Cracked by: FAIRLIGHT Game Type: Action
Packaged by: FAIRLIGHT Image Format: ISO
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DISCS: 2 DVDs Protection: Steam
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System Requirements : (S)-1-phenylpropan-2-amine
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SCENE NOTES:
============

After advanced analysis of vague claims in Prototype.2.Proper-SKIDROW, we
want to reply with our conclusion of things.

To begin, we should have a quick look at a similar situation, where an EMU
was compared with a better rebuilded crack and lead to a proper. The latest
target it happened with was The Dark Eye - Chains of Satinav. Here you have
data to compare up against, to determine if the proper is valid or not.
Examples are given like:

Load to menu with intro videos = 47 vs. 28 seconds ( SR vs. RLD )
Load to menu, intro vids skipped = 38 vs. 19 seconds ( SR vs. RLD )
Load new game = 16 vs. 10 seconds ( SR vs. RLD )

On the first view it looks overwhelming. Then when you take a closer look
you should asking, \"How long does the original exe take in time?\". Here we
have Securom as protection, what is known to slow down a game\'s performance
in general, with more protection features activated, the more of a
performance hit you might see in theory. In our opinion a group\'s crack
should run at least as good as the original retail released exe does. If
developers find it acceptable that the user has to deal with Securom and
the longer loading times (if any) are exceptable for them, then this is not
a release group\'s problem. When would you consider to draw the line?
Say another group found a way to make it load even quicker than RLDs by a
couple seconds, should that be enough for a proper? GameISO groups in the
scene again are not here to improve a game\'s general playability with a full
release or fix any bugs that an update will take care of.

In the case of The Dark Eye, SKIDROW\'s crack still misses the mark to even
compete with the original, normally such a giantic time difference is not
the norm. And still, they refused to accept the proper.

This small excursion should give a first overview, on how a good proper
reason can look. It has proof given, and can be recreated easily by anyone.
But the most important thing is, that the proper crack runs as good as the
original game or even better. Your crack is the opposite, slower than the
original. RELOADED has even released games with Solidshield activated
offline by way of a keygen which is a valid release, the game plays exactly
like the original. RELOADED also seems to grasp the idea with CRACK ONLY
releases like this, not a full 2 DVD pack because your claim is the other
exe is slower. If the game did not work, then a full release can be
neccessary.

During the last few years the acceptance to use, more or less, emulated
parts in a crack was basically ignored. So a comparison between a more
emulated crack like we have in Protoype 2 and, like you claim, a complete
rebuild of the protected game exe, is not a general reason to proper.

The strange thing about your proper is, that you seem to have problems to
really prove anything you\'ve stated. Now should it be up to the original
group that pred the game have to debunk your accusations when no proof is
provided? This is the job of the group wanting to release a proper, and then
state found proof in the nfo of the proper release. You say, our method to
calculate right values slows down the runtime and it COULD lead to false
results or COULD crash. This is all speculation, nor even a fact with proof
YOU MUST provide, not us having to provide proof of false claims.

When someone has read your claims, they would expect that our game runs
like crap and a shit storm is brewing into a complete crash of the game.
The truth is, that we again played our release on 7 different computers,
all with different configurations and operating systems after your unneeded
proper. We were looking for any odd behavior and logging the frame rates in
various areas of the game. The conclusion was, that compared to the original
game without our cracked content applied, there was no noticable difference
in function or performance. Infact it didn\'t ever perform slower than the
original did on any of the systems. It ran as it should for those systems,
both cracked and uncracked. One of the results from a machine we used:

Original Files:
Time (ms) of Test: 900000
FPS MIN: 37
FPS MAX: 57
FPS AVG: 45.833

Our Crack Files:
Time (ms) of Test: 900000
FPS MIN: 38
FPS MAX: 57
FPS AVG: 45.850

Now everyone was curios to see how SKIDROW\'s crack performed. Very
disappointing that on 2 computers, the game did not even start. It sent
the testers back to desktop with an appcrash. The rest made it, to start
the game. So there was nothing to compare but general gameplay with FPS
and loading times. As a result there was only an increase of about 5 FPS
for three of the testers. Again, a very marginal result as various
background programs can slow games a lot more than this at times. So these
results should be enough for a proper?

A group with a recent history of doing whatever it takes to get a release
working is now doing propers for 5 FPS on some machines? Wow, thats
something that makes you ask yourself, what were the motives to make such
an accusation and without providing proof, which is needed always anyhow.
A group that has even used unprotected exes or weaker protected exes and
tag it as the original stronger protection cracked now proceed forthwith
such and proper? Over the last years basically any solution which would
make a game start was acceptable for SKIDROW. Loaders wrapped inside
another dll, even different versions of an exe were good enough to make
a release. Not to mention from the few but funny situations
you got caught for \"using alternative supply sources\" and then claim
we don\'t have to explain ourselfs, only to people we believe should (pinch
self).

If you think you have something to reply from our previous statements we
hope its informative to the release. Do keep in mind that quoting
comments from other sources (public web forums and whatnot), that this is
not an acceptable form of proof, it should be strictly your own. We are
open for qualified proper reasons and will be accepted when proof is
provided that can be recreated in such cases in which they are required.
Also your crack needs some addressing as it still is not working on two of
our systems.

/TEAM FAiRLIGHT

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PostPosted: Thu, 2nd Aug 2012 19:36    Post subject:
Serious shit...
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PostPosted: Thu, 2nd Aug 2012 19:36    Post subject:
scene sucks. luma emu is better than both of their cracks
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PostPosted: Thu, 2nd Aug 2012 20:22    Post subject:
Well i'm little bit late to answer the quotes but anyway.I don't think my CPU has a bottleneck syndrome Very Happy Seriously,because my system's other parts are not high-end.My Cpu is Q9300@2.5GHz(stock) and Gpu is HD4870(stock),2gb DDR2 RAMs @800mhz...I know it's a little out of date but it was a extremely fine system.Only in this game my PC goes crazy.I have never seen that kind of poor performance from games except prototype 2...

By the way,I have download the FLT version of the game.Then it's crashed.So i tried new skidrow crack.It looks fine right now but still not the game should be...
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PostPosted: Thu, 2nd Aug 2012 20:47    Post subject:
Just finished it. Great game but fuck ass story that has no connection to most of the stuff that happened in first one.


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PostPosted: Thu, 2nd Aug 2012 21:01    Post subject:
pillermann wrote:
scene sucks. luma emu is better than both of their cracks

This luma emu is just another steamclient emulator, it doesn't emulate CEG.
You still need FLT's or SKIDROW's cracked prototype2engine.dll.
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PostPosted: Thu, 2nd Aug 2012 21:29    Post subject:
sabin, you're game runs shit? what methods have you used with your release(es)? Just asking Smile


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PostPosted: Thu, 2nd Aug 2012 21:29    Post subject:
tolanri wrote:
Prototype_2_STATEMENT_READNFO-FLT

keep em coming Very Happy luv some scene catfight rawr
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PostPosted: Thu, 2nd Aug 2012 21:32    Post subject:
kewlman wrote:
pillermann wrote:
scene sucks. luma emu is better than both of their cracks

This luma emu is just another steamclient emulator, it doesn't emulate CEG.
You still need FLT's or SKIDROW's cracked prototype2engine.dll.

oic. guess they do deserve some credit after all Very Happy
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PostPosted: Thu, 2nd Aug 2012 21:49    Post subject:
difm wrote:
sabin, you're game runs shit? what methods have you used with your release(es)? Just asking Smile


Naw, it runs pretty well actually.. but there's some drops to low 50s from time to time and it can chug a little because of it. I'm not sure what methods you're talking about, I've used the original FLT version and then Skidrow's, Skidrow's one seems more stable - less drops - but it still happens.
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PostPosted: Thu, 2nd Aug 2012 22:05    Post subject:
Try Skidrow with FLT crack Razz

I tried SR only, but game crashed, then replaced crack files with FLT ones and not a single hitch or fuck was given by the game Razz

I'm around 60% into the game (all ops and stuff found) and I only got a hickup once, but that was also somekind of alt-tab bug Very Happy


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PostPosted: Thu, 2nd Aug 2012 22:13    Post subject:
Why would I combine a loader with a crack? The crack would just cancel out the loader and thus do nothing Razz Mixing the two won't help.
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PostPosted: Thu, 2nd Aug 2012 23:18    Post subject:
I suggest Shift+Alt+Del emulation Laughing
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PostPosted: Thu, 2nd Aug 2012 23:23    Post subject:
Shift-alt-del? Cool Face And besides, the game is great! No way am I deleting it until I'm through Very Happy
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PostPosted: Thu, 2nd Aug 2012 23:32    Post subject:
I'm drunk right now and mixing the commands don't pay attention Laughing
Probably the game is good yes, but i recently played first game. And this one is basically the same. Maybe that's the reason i got bored quickly.
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PostPosted: Thu, 2nd Aug 2012 23:36    Post subject:
Yeah, Prototype 2 could just as easily have been an expansion to the first one... it's just more refined, that's it. Damned fun though Very Happy
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PostPosted: Thu, 2nd Aug 2012 23:41    Post subject:
Sucky port though. And don't like how they removed Musclemass, that was my favorite. But yeah, other than that it's still decent fun.
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PostPosted: Thu, 2nd Aug 2012 23:57    Post subject:
Raap wrote:
Sucky port though.

potatoman wrote:
"Why Prototype 2 is a poor port"


Hey men you forgot to troll teh console derps / pc elitists about this one. Damn, you all like to troll few pages about wrong things. Razz

Edit: no, not my video.
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PostPosted: Fri, 3rd Aug 2012 00:04    Post subject:
demde wrote:
I suggest Shift+Alt+Del emulation Laughing


i tried "Shift+Alt+Delete" emulation , my fps boost was instant from 12 fps to 100 ! not only that , my HDD compressed the game at epic proportions to 0kb! My game works better , Feels better , Less Space on HDD , my life is complete now ! Thanks random guy from my internet cable !! Very Happy

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PostPosted: Fri, 3rd Aug 2012 00:05    Post subject:
still using my flt cegless files + skidrow emu combo - and i am fine Wink


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