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TheDuck
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| sage386 wrote: | | if there's stated protection/detection of smth, in reality it means we adopted sf to combat the effects of that program. |
And how do you know I disabled the drive with sfn? Its my computer and i decided to disable my drive, I have that right... Sf enables it - it IS ILLEGAL
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sage386
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| Posted: Sun, 17th Jul 2005 20:22 Post subject: |
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in all that rush didnt u guys forget about the most important thing?
u all talk about endusers, agreements, illegality and so on but did u forget that sage386 doesnt have to explain u anything? starcrap team dont have to because they are not the one making with u any agreement. u should complain to the publisher or vender. make a pause before another post and think about it (and visit starcrap forum to talk about similar problems). i think sage386 did a mistake by trying to answer all the questions and now pays the price
it sounds funny but starcrap may justify themselves only to the publisher and do u really think the publisher cares about couple of users able to find out IDE channels like conflicts?
they dont and they wont coz money r involved
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sage386
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| Posted: Sun, 17th Jul 2005 20:52 Post subject: |
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thanx Lambada,
one additional thing tho,
Since duck has mentiones he has used sfn to disable drives,
and we all know what sfn is and what it is used for.
The answer was simple as the question, SFN ( which also has specific name targeting sf ) is used to disable user drives to fool the protection.
He got apropriate answer. (Freakshow, please note that my post started with @duck, and was indended for him)
Before SFN has appeared, ( AND has appeared for single purpose ONLY ) majorify of end users never ever had an idea what ide is 
now, he's asking about 'disabling' and the 'rights'. That's just ridiculious. You surely know the idea behind that.
Calling up for the rights just to get past the protection. Just be honest.
Anyway, seems this ide enabling feature is not much use since we have researched better emulation detection ways, so probably it wont be used at all..
And again, as lambada said, let's not discuss the 'legality', because this is not a court, we will go to nowhere.
kind regards alex // cyberware, ucf, ex-sf.
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| Posted: Sun, 17th Jul 2005 22:19 Post subject: |
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| sage386 wrote: | thanx Lambada,
one additional thing tho,
Since duck has mentiones he has used sfn to disable drives,
and we all know what sfn is and what it is used for.
The answer was simple as the question, SFN ( which also has specific name targeting sf ) is used to disable user drives to fool the protection.
He got apropriate answer. (Freakshow, please note that my post started with @duck, and was indended for him)
Before SFN has appeared, ( AND has appeared for single purpose ONLY ) majorify of end users never ever had an idea what ide is
now, he's asking about 'disabling' and the 'rights'. That's just ridiculious. You surely know the idea behind that.
Calling up for the rights just to get past the protection. Just be honest.
Anyway, seems this ide enabling feature is not much use since we have researched better emulation detection ways, so probably it wont be used at all..
And again, as lambada said, let's not discuss the 'legality', because this is not a court, we will go to nowhere. |
OK... but...
If one wants to run SFN and disable the drives it's his choice... Did you see programs that mess with your hardware without your knowledge ? Yes they are called VIRUSES... So SF3 does exactly the same... it messes with the hardware of one's PC without one's knowledge...
I buy all of my games... Cause I don't have much time to play... and these 5 games a year which I actually play I can buy... But I don't like when SF3 plays with my PC... it dissables my USB devices... and messes USB drivers sometimes... Incompatibility and few other issues may eventually be the cause of starforce's fall...
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| Posted: Sun, 17th Jul 2005 22:40 Post subject: |
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| lAmBaDa wrote: | in all that rush didnt u guys forget about the most important thing?
u all talk about endusers, agreements, illegality and so on but did u forget that sage386 doesnt have to explain u anything? starcrap team dont have to because they are not the one making with u any agreement. u should complain to the publisher or vender. make a pause before another post and think about it (and visit starcrap forum to talk about similar problems). i think sage386 did a mistake by trying to answer all the questions and now pays the price
it sounds funny but starcrap may justify themselves only to the publisher and do u really think the publisher cares about couple of users able to find out IDE channels like conflicts?
they dont and they wont coz money r involved |
I hate it! They all steal our money and we really cannot do anything against that. They just sell and do not care about any problems. For me it is nothing different than stealing. Probably you are right about the law and probably they should contact the publisher but what for? Another unreplied message?
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| Posted: Sun, 17th Jul 2005 23:04 Post subject: |
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It can still be called malware or hijacker.
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| Posted: Sun, 17th Jul 2005 23:06 Post subject: |
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| Posted: Sun, 17th Jul 2005 23:11 Post subject: |
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| SceneLeader wrote: | | It can still be called malware or hijacker. |
come on. both of them still needs reproduction ability to call them so
but i know how to call starcrap 'infected' games: starware
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| Posted: Sun, 17th Jul 2005 23:18 Post subject: |
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Everything is very interesting in this thread: never seen a protection developer so involved in this kind of discussions, and the infos given on the protection show also some pride on its strenght.
Actually, SF is a genial protection conceived by reversers and it's having the popularity it deserves, because it's mainly a challenge for other reversers.
I know for sure that unprotected sf drivers have been created and not released to public, which allow to play every sf game so far.
I just would like to ask what's a new SFN detection for, if SFN was already unuseful since the introduction of ISOprotect.
And second, how did you prevent the usb method without affecting the possibility to play a game for somebody who owns only an USB drive?
However, I think that SF has risen the conflict level between crackers and protections, replying with a certain degree of illegality to illegality.
Halfluke
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sage386
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| Posted: Mon, 18th Jul 2005 11:07 Post subject: |
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| bigboy177 wrote: |
Did you see programs that mess with your hardware without your knowledge? Yes they are called VIRUSES |
in fact ALL programs in the world mess with your hardware without your direct knowelege in certain degrees
program itself cannot be run WITHOUT a hardware, so, let's name it: Windows - messes with hardware,
even simple "hello,world!" program -- messes with hardware - displays output on your monitor, utilizing your hardware video card, consuming physical memory, and CPU times.
All programs ever made constantlty utilizing hardware resources. So, this is not a reason to call program a virus
btw, those usb incompatibilities, are very old stories, they were fixed like some years ago.
kind regards alex // cyberware, ucf, ex-sf.
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| Posted: Mon, 18th Jul 2005 11:30 Post subject: |
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| sage386 wrote: | | bigboy177 wrote: |
Did you see programs that mess with your hardware without your knowledge? Yes they are called VIRUSES |
in fact ALL programs in the world mess with your hardware without your direct knowelege in certain degrees
program itself cannot be run WITHOUT a hardware, so, let's name it: Windows - messes with hardware,
even simple "hello,world!" program -- messes with hardware - displays output on your monitor, utilizing your hardware video card, consuming physical memory, and CPU times.
All programs ever made constantlty utilizing hardware resources. So, this is not a reason to call program a virus
btw, those usb incompatibilities, are very old stories, they were fixed like some years ago. |
Yeap, but they require to use resourcess, and don't enable or disable part of my hardware that I want enabled or disabled... When I uninstall my VGA drviers windows won't install them back... Or if I dissable quick writes windows won't also turn them on... If I disable Norton Antivirus scanner, it won't turn on it self... You wrote your answer like you didn't understand what I ment... @sage386 don't play like a little child... you knew exactly what I ment...
Yeah USB incompatibilities were fixed... Hmmm so why do I always have problems with my USB equipment after I install SF3 drivers... I wonder why it occures... Maybe it's because of the pigeons siiting by the window... Hmmm... @sage386 SF3 devs fixed most problems but not all of them...
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sage386
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| Posted: Mon, 18th Jul 2005 15:28 Post subject: |
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@sage386
didn't my question deserve any answers?
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TheDuck
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| Posted: Mon, 18th Jul 2005 15:41 Post subject: |
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| sage386 wrote: | | bigboy177 wrote: |
Did you see programs that mess with your hardware without your knowledge? Yes they are called VIRUSES |
in fact ALL programs in the world mess with your hardware without your direct knowelege in certain degrees
program itself cannot be run WITHOUT a hardware, so, let's name it: Windows - messes with hardware,
even simple "hello,world!" program -- messes with hardware - displays output on your monitor, utilizing your hardware video card, consuming physical memory, and CPU times.
All programs ever made constantlty utilizing hardware resources. So, this is not a reason to call program a virus
btw, those usb incompatibilities, are very old stories, they were fixed like some years ago. |
You act like you didnt know what he meant, "messing" like changing hw settings user set as he wanted, not messing like "using". Like bigboy177 said no other program EVER changed some settings of the hardware... just SF and thats illegal. Now I know you wont admit that, you'll rather just disable this feature because "you know better ways now" <haha>
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sage386
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| Posted: Mon, 18th Jul 2005 17:25 Post subject: |
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| Posted: Mon, 18th Jul 2005 19:48 Post subject: |
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TheDuck
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| Posted: Mon, 18th Jul 2005 20:48 Post subject: |
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| Posted: Mon, 18th Jul 2005 20:49 Post subject: |
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| Freakshow wrote: | | bigboy177 wrote: | | sage386 wrote: | @halfluke:
1. sfn seems to be not a prob, you're right.
2. we'll to that, no problem at all
3. it's a neverending confrontation you know, pike and shield.
@duck, @bigboy: i leave you guys to discuss 'legality' mumbo jumbo among themselves |
Thanks... cause you admit we are right... But you simply can't do anything about it... Maybe soon governments will solve our little problem...
I wish you and the whole starforce team good luck... SF3 is really good at what it's suppose to do... but it's really good with messing and causing problems also... |
well he cant admit it because in that way he would give a written proof to lawyers that sf3 does something illegal. Dont worry about sf they are close to untouchable in russia and sf is not the aim of the process. Macrovision (after loosing ubisoft partwise as customer to sf) researched updated sf3 and found out in newest update 2 parts that are illegal to us, uk and othe reu country laws. Thatswhy they gave their proofs to their lawyers and they will open a process against ubisoft and other companies atm its only ubisoft, cdv and mc2 france that used illegal parts of new sf 3.5. The result will prolly be the same as it was against dvd protection mode using DPM in france. It got forbidden to use. In France also some endusers started a process against mc2 france and cdv for doing illegal stuff during the protection check or allowing rights to guest logins for short moments (ring0 checks). Both in france is illegal and will get forbidden for sure and f.e. mc2 france already got an offer from tages for upcoming games protection since the process is opened. I dont know if they made a contract yet but they will either return to 3.4 sf or take tages. In the uk some private endusers prepare such stuff but press releases of this are rare in uk. CDV in germany i heared has such a problem at the moment too but also no proof so lets say without proof = not true!
But that doesnt get sf devs into trouble, just the companys using sf with that features where ever they are not needed anyway as 2.7.00 vm is strong enough to defeat al crackers already if there are some left  . |
You are right... But less companies using SF3 means less money...
If SF3 development is not needed anymore... cause they can't go much further.. it also means trouble for the developers... cause they won't be needed... Everything is connected... and either way it's nothing good for the devs...
About crackers... I know there are many of them... new will come and go... but will they crack games or other stuff ?? I don't know... and it's not my problem... I just want to put my CD/DVD in the drive and know that everything works exactly the way I want it to... with no USB problems, no security voulnerabilities, no PC slowdowns and stuff like that... I think that the best protection around is Securom 7... Not because it can be cracked, but because everygame that has it, runs with no problems, doesn't dissable or enable things on my PC... USB devices work with no problems... and stuff like that... It's a user friendly protection... :]
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TheDuck
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| Posted: Mon, 18th Jul 2005 23:22 Post subject: |
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| Posted: Wed, 20th Jul 2005 05:42 Post subject: |
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where did you see Armadillo Game?
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| Posted: Wed, 20th Jul 2005 08:21 Post subject: |
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about Tages being the stronges protection uses so far is not true ,it has potential to become the strongest protection cause of theire secret hidden flags and malfunction of the game kinda tricks .you realy have to play the whole game to test youre crack ..but the couple of games that had Tages ,had an Tages version that where absolute multiple times more easy to crack then sf3 . also the time that took to crack these games have proven this .sf3(the strong versions months) , Tages only some weeks .most even in couple of days .
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| Posted: Wed, 20th Jul 2005 11:09 Post subject: |
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The twin sectors can easy be injected with some tools on cdfreaks,and what is this thread about ? Tages images are also emulatable with virtual cd...the only program so far that can do this . and about the cracks ,Immersion and FLt create the Tages cracks only in some days only Beyond Good & evil took Immersion some more time . and about those 2 Tages games you mention that aren't cracked well theire are so many many games out theire now not released it does not realy say much you can't compare it cause scene is on low voltage ...but if we check at the time it took flt and ims crack those couple of good games with Tages protection(Beyond Good&Evil ,XIII it didn't took them so long as with sf3 protected titles .
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