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 Posted: Sat, 3rd Mar 2012 10:54 Post subject: Visual Studio 11 Beta Released |
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http://www.microsoft.com/visualstudio/11/en-us/downloads
This is not the same as the developer preview available last year. Anyway, some really nice improvements in this version, especially for C++ developers. Full C++11 support (which in itself has some amazing things), built-in GPU programming via C++ AMP, parallel code debugging and profiling(CPU and GPU!) and better C++ IDE support(better color coding & static analysis, which I used plugins for until now).
Among many other things. http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/bb386063(v=vs.110).aspx
Been waiting for this for a long time - the developer preview didn't work for me and I'm eager to test some of this stuff out.
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| Posted: Sat, 3rd Mar 2012 11:05 Post subject: |
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Just to make sure, VS is not a Metro app now (like they are doing with Office), right? 
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| Posted: Sat, 3rd Mar 2012 11:30 Post subject: |
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It does look Metro, uh for fuck sake! 
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| Posted: Sat, 3rd Mar 2012 13:22 Post subject: |
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Look at the icons, menus, even labels (::::::::::: WHY IS VISUAL STUDIO SHOUTING AT YOU WITH CAPS????? ::::::::::::::::  ). It looks horrible.
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| Posted: Sat, 3rd Mar 2012 13:25 Post subject: |
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| Posted: Tue, 14th Aug 2012 12:56 Post subject: |
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Microsoft.Visual.Studio.Ultimate.2012-REMEDY
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| Posted: Thu, 16th Aug 2012 11:19 Post subject: |
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Microsoft.Visual.Studio.Professional.2012-KOPiE
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| Posted: Thu, 16th Aug 2012 19:02 Post subject: |
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Cool. Anyone installed it yet? *looks at bearish for screengrabs*
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| Posted: Thu, 16th Aug 2012 19:39 Post subject: |
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I haven't had the chance to explore it much, but looks pretty much the same as the beta screenshots I posted ^^. A bit more color in the icons, a bit less caps, and the title bar is style with the rest of the UI. But in general there is no major difference from VS2010 aside from the UI reskin.
A lot of new C++ stuff under the hood: http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/hh409293(v=vs.110).aspx which is what I'm most interested in. I've only tried it for a few hours and haven't really done any real work in it but it seems like there are some really nice improvements. Still not enough to completely replace plugins like VA X sadly.
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| Posted: Thu, 16th Aug 2012 22:19 Post subject: |
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wasn't it supposed to look all metroy and unusable?
i'm pretty sure i saw some terribad screenshots a while ago
those actually look pretty usable
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| Posted: Thu, 16th Aug 2012 22:28 Post subject: |
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I am sorry to say, but usable and likable have a huge gap in between. What was once the epicenter of IDEs has now become this joke of a user interface design. Compared to Xcode on the Mac, or indeed, even to Visual Studio 2010, this abomination looks like a childish attempt at LOLCODE IDE plugin for VS. I say "abomination" because there are some excellent under the hood improvements, like the C++ support improvements, that should make this the best Visual Studio out there. I truly feel sorry for the core developers, having worked their asses off, only to have this nonsense slapped as the UI.
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| Posted: Thu, 16th Aug 2012 23:55 Post subject: |
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Here's a reference side-by-side shot with 2010(a little more plugins loaded than 2012), with the normal light theme:
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| Posted: Fri, 17th Aug 2012 00:17 Post subject: |
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Not much has changed since the last beta. 
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| Posted: Mon, 20th Aug 2012 17:21 Post subject: |
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So I'm working with it a bit and...guess what, they only implemented like half of the C++11 standard. I mean what the hell? GCC had support for most C++11 features for years now.
No variadic templates, no initializer lists, no non-static data member initializers, no delegating constructors, no inheriting constructors, no defaulted or deleted functions, no constant expressions. Among many other things, but these were the ones I was really looking forward to and those were the ones that really made the language feel new. Pretty much everything else that they DID implement, is related to the standard library, and already exists in Boost.
I won't be switching compilers just yet, but when I start a new project and if they still don't have these things I will be moving to something else.
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| Posted: Mon, 20th Aug 2012 17:56 Post subject: |
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Why u so ugly 
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| Posted: Tue, 21st Aug 2012 00:01 Post subject: |
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Untouched ISO (from MSDN) that doesn't require any crack/serial:
en_visual_studio_ultimate_2012_x86_dvd_920947.iso
Size: 1,521 MB
SHA1: 6A2B87BCD336A96AC39CF85348E93E5AF45588EB
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| Posted: Sat, 25th Aug 2012 15:38 Post subject: |
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Oh lord. What is it with those CAPS. VS2010 looked solid. Give it a few cosmetical changes, a new color...why do they keep burdening themselfs with petty UI makeovers when there's better time to be spent.
C++/CLI support in VS2010 is awfull. You are completely left hanging with no usable autocompletion, poor intellisense and you bleed time because of it. They claim they introduced full CLI support, true?
Why cram in 3D viewers and image editing? Every decent artist wont touch it with a 10 foot long brush, since even the most basic free tool will be much superior to use. All that time spent...
Now C++11 support is very poor. GCC is light-years ahead of the game. Completely no native unicode support, extended sizeof's, delegating constructors, no constexpr, initializers...oh, breaks my heart 
I'm working more with GCC in my embedded projects, so when I see how VS has been limping along the past one or two releases, I get a bitter taste in my mouth when I see how little they have done to catch up on the flagship C++ standard. The new stuff is really useful and allows you to crank it up and allow efficient code. Along with that it offers new constructs making your code safer and more strict, preventing you from doing silly boo-boo's.
I hope a service pack is right around the corner!
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| Posted: Sat, 1st Sep 2012 12:50 Post subject: |
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I too hope SP1 is nearby.
Anyway, I'm really liking the C++ support. Error highlighting is amazing, almost as good as C#. Obviously in C# I get every compile error before I even compile, but in C++ this wasn't the case in earlier versions. It could catch some cases, and Visual Assist caught some too. But both were lacking and buggy, and mostly useless actually. Gotta say the support in 2012 is much improved, in almost all cases I can compile without a single error because I catch them all before.
Few issues:
Errors only appear after you open a source file, it's not solution wide (I guess it would be too slow to constantly analyze everything, or maybe there's an option I need to turn on)
File takes a few seconds to parse so you might not see the errors right away.
This feature alone just makes the whole damn thing worth it. I love it. In last two days I managed to completely refactor 10 000 lines of code (by literally ripping the files out of a larger 100 000 lines project, breaking all dependecies), and then compiled with only 8 errors (which I only missed because I didn't feel like going through the files to find them.
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Mine hasn't downloaded yet but it certainly looks gray: 
