Chemtrailing is a fact. You dont agree. Lets agree to disagree. If you think there is no chemtrail program going on, then I cant discuss the obvious things with you any further either.
DXWarlock wrote:
Freakness wrote:
Scientists are fucking pussies and they value their jobs and gov gives them jobs usually. Would you spit your boss in the face?
you DO realize only about 5-10% of jobs dealing with scientific studies are govt sponsored? where do you get this "govt gives them jobs most the time".
Or is it that it neatly ties up the ends of "govt bad" and "scientist bad" in a near package to make wild claims like that?
5-10% where? US? Morocco? Where I live its mostly government funded.
Spraying is obvious, so stop denying it.
Not sure if trolling..
I didn't say it didn't exist..I said there is NO proof of it. and without proof, there is no validity to a claim.
Give me proof, and I will change my mind. actual proof..not some "I think it is, so...there"
Corporations, private funding, college tuition and funding from them, and scientific foundations make up the majority of independent studies.
MIT, Berkly, Standford, Harvard, and many others do studies and experiments without govt funding. only projects that require the use of their facilities that the govt doesn't have or want to build is solely funded by govt.
ALL we are asking, is for this proof.
If i said that bigfoot was real, and I had proof...would you not wish to see it to also believe in it?
thats all we are asking..we want more than "its obvious' we want "THIS, this here..this proof..makes it obvious"
scientific study does NOT stop and claim a success when something 'is obvious'...thats absurd..if it was so wed do "well gravity is obvious...no reason to study it further for reason, proof of it existence as a universal force, or its quantum complications".
So we ask the same..we want the proof, you want to convert a non-believer...make me believe, instead of just telling me to believe.
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Man I'd love to see you in an actual scientific committee debate.
"What proof you have of the existence of these..we will look into them and do studies to either validate or falsify the claims"
"well they are obvious, if you cant see that, you are retarded"
"Obvious, as a thesis yes, as a fact, no. And our mental capacity level is not part of this discussion and is irrelevant"
"Well you can see them, and there is TONS of documentaries on youtube of chemtrails..prove to me why they DO spray them then!"
"Documentaries are not studies or validation to claims, they are claims presented as a validation..you must first prove the claim as fact before presenting them as such..and we cannot give proof of why something happens, that you yourself are here to try to prove EVEN happens to start with"
"fuck all you guys, they are real, I think they are, and I've seen others that do..if you don't follow that line of thought, well lets just agree to disagree"
"No we are willing to believe the claims, show us the evidence to such claims and we will happily study it and accept it as a truth if it is, we have no reason to NOT want to believe something if it can be proven truthful. The ideal of science itself is to gather and consume knowledge of all things factual..to dismiss something that's provable, after solid proof is given, would debase the whole idea behind what we do. We DO have an open mind, we are just waiting for fact and proof to fill it."
(continue the circular argument above until one side punches themselves in the nut to relieve the agony)
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But the government approves the scientists, right? So gov can take it away. Gov and private sector are connected these days so even if a scientist works for the private corporation, the gov can have a say in his future.
oxyeL wrote:
Freakness wrote:
oxyeL wrote:
Do you live in North Korea by any chance?
I wonder if they spray there.
If they're not, are you moving there?
Why? Its pretty good where I live for me. But without chemtrails it would be better. Cause today was a beatiful day until they started spraying.
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If i said that bigfoot was real, and I had proof...would you not wish to see it to also believe in it?
If you and others said spaghetti monster was real I would listen and keep an open mind. If I would see millions of spaghetti monsters in an nonfaked video I would believe.
Thats what I'm saying there is probably no proof of poisons in the chemtrails. So we have to contact authorities to investigate it. Problem is... its the authorities who are doing it.
But the government approves the scientists, right? So gov can take it away. Gov and private sector are connected these days so even if a scientist works for the private corporation, the gov can have a say in his future.
No..you really have no clue of how it works do you?
If that was true, how did ANY improvement to mankind happen that in the end forced govt to change its outlook and laws to adapt to the new data?
So you are saying that scientist spoke out against agent orange and won, against chemicals used in food that was harmful and won, against chemicals used in water that was harmful and won, against processes that was ruining the earth and streams and won (mostly still battling some), spoke out against the harms of dumpsites and the long term effects on people of them..and won.
along with 99% of the reason we dont 'do' things we did 100 years ago...because studies for them was presented with such force, the govt had to change it practices to outcry..
But now on this subject they are too scared or ignorant to do anything?
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]If you and others said spaghetti monster was real I would listen and keep an open mind. If I would see millions of spaghetti monsters in an nonfaked video I would believe.
Thats what I'm saying there is probably no proof of poisons in the chemtrails. So we have to contact authorities to investigate it. Problem is... its the authorities who are doing it.
Exactly, some guy filming out of an airplane and going "I GOT TO PUT THIS ON YOUTUBE" isn't proof or even any kind of provable footage.
You are making a erroneous comparison..to see a flying spaghetti monster that's not faked can only be one thing and proof of it inself being what it is..to see random striped cloud videos does not conclude they are chemtrails..all they conclude is they are stripes of 'something'. its the 'something' im open minded about waiting for the proof of what those stripes are..
I do not deny that stripes of clouds are there, the proof is given..and proven they are..WHAT they are is up for question.
I'm of the scientific mindset to the utmost. they could prove beyond a doubt tomorrow that the sun is a big ball of orange juice being heated in a giant microwave we call the galaxy..and Id accept it, embrace it, and even support it. New factual data never before proven or know is the yearning that everyone in that mindset has.
But grasping onto concepts with such zealot like behavior without wishing for counter evidence to disprove it, without any proven facts to support you own, is counter to this idea.
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Thats what I'm saying there is probably no proof of poisons in the chemtrails. So we have to contact authorities to investigate it. Problem is... its the authorities who are doing it.
Or, the 1000's of meteorologic and atmospheric study field members that do this everyday for a living...you know..could prove it, if it was real. I'm sure one or 2 of them have looked into it at one time
you forget about them? or are they ALL part of the coverup? 1000's of scientists over the global, that dont know each other, or work together somehow is all in on it?
Seems one of them, would come out against it, and provide evidence that despite others apposing it, would stand on its own support by its own facts.
If a laymen like me can find holes in the 'facts' so far given..its not very good facts. I demand some that me, as no expert in the field, cant blow apart as a starting basis of validity in the claims.
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Chemtrail is widely unknown subject, partialy classified, harder to test maybe.
If the scientists are so good, then why I'm I still seeing aspartame in food and drinks? Why is the water fluorided if statisticaly proven that theres no diffeence for teeth in fluorided and nonfluorided areas? They dont care.
One scientist woman spoke about it [fluoridation in US] and got fired.
What bout chernobyl? Scientists hid the info from the public until the fucking KGB found out. Everybody marched in parades like clowns dadadadam! Sweet fucking invisible radiation.
Also worth to note that a lot of gov agencies do not test for chemtrail specific stuff. They test other stuff. So there is like one agency that does that probably where I live. I bet they would not care or they dont have the equipment to do those tests.
Chemtrail is widely unknown subject, partialy classified, harder to test maybe.
If the scientists are so good, then why I'm I still seeing aspartame in food and drinks? Why is the water fluerided if statisticaly proven that theres no diffeence for teeth in fluorided and nonfluorided areas? Theyt dont care.
What bout chernobyl? Scientists hid the info from the public until the fucking KGB found out. Everybody marched in parades like clowns dadadadam!
Also worth to note that a lot of gov agencies do not test for chemtrail specific stuff. They test other stuff. So there is like one agency that does that probably where I live. I bet they would not care or ay they dont have the equipment to do those tests.
holy crap..you going to start talking about the ID chips being implanted, area 51 and its 4th dimensional ship, and how they are adding the sodium to water so they can magnetically pinpoint where a person is in real time via satellite?
And again, all that is illrelevent to this discussion at hand..outside assumptions given as reinforcement for a different claim.
Floride water, aspartame food, even if real, and provable..do not give any weight to the truth of chemtrails..they are totally different matters. Strawman argument of "govt does this bad stuff..so its proves this other bad stuff"
But if you want an answer for the aspartame food. Its because its a cheaper alternative to growing, harvesting, and processing sugar of any form. Not to mention storage of the sugar, keeping it free from pests, and such. So for the bottom line of companies its simply a cheaper way to get the same taste.
Or is that too simple and boring an answer for you? its not 'exciting' enough like the 'sugar of DOOM!' explanation floating around?
And its one of the most widely studied and tested additives ever made for human consumption. Not only by govt, but by companies..because even if the govt DOESN'T care if it kills you. a company that sells it SURE as hell would considering all the 'hoaxes and scares' aspartame has had. they don't want to sell something that will ruin customers from ever buying it again.
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What if chemtrails are simply water, sprayed to make the patterns..and govt itself started the chemtrail theory to spread it, to cover up for its lacing of the soil with radioactive isotopes in an attempt to reduce cancer in humans and increase crop growth size for a bigger population that went horribly wrong.
So they have 'sprayers' spray water, spread an idea its chemicals..to hide the fact 20 years ago they spread out radiated soil....
Come on..radiated soil..look how big crops grow now compared to the 70's..its obvious, anyone that cant see that is retarded. isotope soil is fact...quit denying it by believing the govts lies about chemtrails its a cover up and your a sheeple for believing it!
see where im going with this? its no more wide a claim than yours..and without proof, just as valid (or invalid as it would be).
Nothing more than 'theory craft' based on loose ideals and imagination.
but cant be disproved ANYMORE than yours can.
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Its relevant because you said scientists arent pussies and they fight for whats right. I said they are and gave examples. Governments are not trustworthy at all.
And stop with this alien and piramyd 9th dimention bs thank you very much.
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And its one of the most widely studied and tested additives ever made for human consumption.
To prove if they are spraying or not must be done by scientists, not by me. Considering the governments are completely corrupt I would say for myslelf that they do infact spray us with poison.
What if chemtrails are simply water, sprayed to make the patterns..and govt itself started the chemtrail theory to spread it, to cover up for its lacing of the soil with radioactive isotopes in an attempt to reduce cancer in humans and increase crop growth size for a bigger population that went horribly wrong.
So they have 'sprayers' spray water, spread an idea its chemicals..to hide the fact 20 years ago they spread out radiated soil....
Come on..radiated soil..look how big crops grow now compared to the 70's..its obvious, anyone that cant see that is retarded. isotope soil is fact...quit denying it by believing the govts lies about chemtrails its a cover up and your a sheeple for believing it!
see where im going with this? its no more wide a claim than yours..and without proof, just as valid (or invalid as it would be).
Nothing more than 'theory craft' based on loose ideals and imagination.
but cant be disproved ANYMORE than yours can.
Actually anyone want to help me with that, we can start a conspiracy theory! And make it up as we go along!
Grab a Geiger counter, we can show videos of testing the soil (almost all soil has some level of radiation in it even though to small to care about, so the counter will click a little..but most people don't know that). We can claim it was much more active 20 years ago..but 'prove' that its a solid idea by how the soil still gives some off.
Then show videos of planes spraying chemtrails..point to sections of the chemtrail stating how the light refracting thru the substance indicates its really just water being sprayed as a coverup for the soil..as only water gives off that specific pattern of light spectrum when refracted.
Even flash some slides of the HUGE crop plants that wasn't around 20 years ago, as further proof they are mutated.
We could get a whole bunch of people scared and mad about something the govt is doing! even point out how when asked the govt claims to have no idea what we are talking about!
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SEE! there...you would say for yourself
that is not the basis of a fact.. that's what is common refered to as an 'opinion'
o·pin·ion
1. a belief or judgment that rests on grounds insufficient to produce complete certainty.
2. a personal view, attitude, or appraisal.
so quit saying "chemtrails are a fact"
nooo. they are an opinion you have that you believe to be true.
If you want to hold that belief, I support you in it. and you have every right and internal logic to do so.
But it does not give you the right to call people retarded for not holding the same one.
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"What?"
""What" ain't no country I ever heard of. They charge taxes in "What"?
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Chemtrailing is a fact. You dont agree. Lets agree to disagree.
(without any kind of evidence or fact supporting the claim)
Mr.Asshat wrote:
To prove if they are spraying or not must be done by scientists, not by me. Considering the governments are completely corrupt I would say for myslelf that they do infact spray us with poison.
I dont need gov approval of what is a fact. Fact was Iraq had WMD's and now it appears to be a nonfact. Fact was that early "E" were safe, now its not. Asbestus was widely used as safe. Now its deadly poison fact. I dont need FOX/GOV news to tell me what to believe. Fact is what is chemtrail and what is contrail. These two differ. I see chess chemtrails forming clouds and people get respiratory sick. Soil full of crap sky high. Fool me once shame on me, fool me twise Im gonna put a foot in your ass Cheney...
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The chemtrails comes in, the chemtrails go out...what more proof you need?
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No you need...well facts.... to say what is a fact. And that's what we are lacking here. Any of those darn 'fact' things to prove what the clouds are made of.
You don't need ANYONE, ruling body or not..or even any people, for a scientific fact to be a truth.
The govt doesn't have any ruling authority on what an actual fact is..why you bring a body of people that govern a land into defining what is a truth or a falsifiable claim on its own can be, is a mystery to me.
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-Hard times create strong men, strong men create good times, good times create weak men, and weak men create hard times. -G. Michael Hopf
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I dont need gov approval of what is a fact. Fact was Iraq had WMD's and now it appears to be a nonfact. Fact was that early "E" were safe, now its not. Asbestus was widely used as safe. Now its deadly poison fact. I dont need FOX/GOV news to tell me what to believe. Fact is what is chemtrail and what is contrail. These two differ. I see chess chemtrails forming clouds and people get respiratory sick. Soil full of crap sky high. Fool me once shame on me, fool me twise Im gonna put a foot in your ass Cheney...
But you simply don't understand the word "fact" in this case. Fact means a verifiable piece of evidence that cannot be dis-proven since fact is a form of absolute truth.
You have a a theory, a subjective belief that some government is spraying chemicals from planes at high altitudes to harm the population or something. That is a subjective belief, an opinion. It's very different from fact. You need verifiable proof to be able to call it a fact, something you have not done. You have instead insulted people questioning your claim, making your case even weaker.
You're either trolling us or you need to talk to someone who's trained in psychological therapy.
Fact was Iraq had WMD's and now it appears to be a nonfact. Fact was that early "E" were safe, now its not. Asbestus was widely used as safe. Now its deadly poison fact. I dont need FOX/GOV news to tell me what to believe. Fact is what is chemtrail and what is contrail. These two differ. I see chess chemtrails forming clouds and people get respiratory sick. Soil full of crap sky high. Fool me once shame on me, fool me twise Im gonna put a foot in your ass Cheney...
And here you are AGAIN mixing up ideals.
the E, and Asbestos claims are not 'hiding the truth', they was from discovery of the fact they wasn't safe.
this in no way coordinated to your claim that they are spraying poison.
as one you claim is a lie (chemtrails). the E and Asbestos wasn't a 'lie' it was new information not known before that shed new light on it.
if anything is OPPOSITE what you say of chemtrails. it was assumed safe, until studies showed otherwise.. and it was forced to be regulated. Unlike you chemtrails, which you claim they know its bad, and dont speak up.
So which is it..scientist discover something bad is being used, and work it stop it...(Asbestos ) or they are pussies that dont dare speak up (chemtrails)
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-Hard times create strong men, strong men create good times, good times create weak men, and weak men create hard times. -G. Michael Hopf
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fool me twise Im gonna put a foot in your ass Cheney...
Holy hell, are you the batman whos parents was killed by Cheney? you seem to have a vendetta against him.
No idea how he got into this conversation, but you seem to like to pepper him into it as a seasoning to your doom pie.
-We don't control what happens to us in life, but we control how we respond to what happens in life.
-Hard times create strong men, strong men create good times, good times create weak men, and weak men create hard times. -G. Michael Hopf
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“... there is no shame in not knowing. The problem arises when irrational thought and attendant behavior fill the vacuum left by ignorance.”
― Neil deGrasse Tyson
I think this fits well here..
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-Hard times create strong men, strong men create good times, good times create weak men, and weak men create hard times. -G. Michael Hopf
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