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Werelds
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Yep, exactly what I'm saying. The 660 destroys the 560 on every front (apart from compute) by quite staggering numbers; in fact, the 660 non-Ti still beats the crap out of the 560 Ti 
Definitely not the same league.
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| Posted: Fri, 12th Oct 2012 09:16 Post subject: |
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Nope, that's not always the case. Should be, but it isn't and certainly not by the margins the 660 has on the 560 or with the same power profile (in this case the 660's power profile is even ever so slightly better). And like I said, the 560 Ti still beats the 660 Ti when it comes to GPGPU work.
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| Posted: Fri, 12th Oct 2012 09:37 Post subject: |
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7870 is 1000pln or a bit less.
while 660ti is 1200pln or above
and 7870 seems faster. So thats cheaper and faster. if not fo ccc I wouldnt think much more
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| Posted: Fri, 12th Oct 2012 09:44 Post subject: |
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No, there's no performance difference between the two, they trade blows. Some games Nvidia does better, some games AMD, they're pretty evenly matched.
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| Posted: Fri, 12th Oct 2012 09:50 Post subject: |
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Yeah but nvidia have better drivers and support for aa modes etc I think.
idk. I didn't had ati since 2006 and ccc was fucked.
SO the quesiton is, since the cards are the same speed, should I pay more to get nvidia. ACtually both cards are quite expensive but Thats understandable
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| Posted: Fri, 12th Oct 2012 09:59 Post subject: |
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Nvidia's drivers aren't better at all, only their control panel is. The actual drivers are a bit more unstable than AMD's in fact, I'm still getting the occasional driver reset on my 680. As for AA modes, they're easier to force on Nvidia due to the better control panel, but ATI Tray Tools, RadeonPro or similar tools fix that for you. Not that you or anyone else will give a shit, since everyone uses injectVASELINE nowadays
AMD's driver problems disappeared years ago, just like Nvidia's driver problems did.
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| Posted: Fri, 12th Oct 2012 10:05 Post subject: |
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http://www.gral.pl/MSI+HD7870+2048MB+PCI-E_470.html
this.
way cheaper than 660ti
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Sin317
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| Posted: Fri, 12th Oct 2012 10:22 Post subject: |
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| Werelds wrote: | Nvidia's drivers aren't better at all, only their control panel is. The actual drivers are a bit more unstable than AMD's in fact, I'm still getting the occasional driver reset on my 680. As for AA modes, they're easier to force on Nvidia due to the better control panel, but ATI Tray Tools, RadeonPro or similar tools fix that for you. Not that you or anyone else will give a shit, since everyone uses injectVASELINE nowadays
AMD's driver problems disappeared years ago, just like Nvidia's driver problems did. |
i have no idea how good (or bad) ati's drivers are (since i dont have one and dont pretend to know). But i havent had an issue with nvidia in a long time. Also beta drivers shouldnt be taken into account for problems, either (not saying you do, just in general).
I remember having that driver reset issue with nvidia, but that was like last year or something. i think it was with the 29x series of drivers, or 28x. something like that.
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| Posted: Fri, 12th Oct 2012 10:24 Post subject: |
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From what I've read, the 660ti beats the 7870 more often than the other way around. But as it's at least 25% more expensive, but never 25% faster the 7870 seems the better choice. I'd go for that one aswell.
As for drivers, I've been using this 6870 for quite some time after having a 8800GT, and I've never experienced any hickups. The driver has crashed on me only because of a 0.1v+ on the NB. But I guess thats not driver related.
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| Posted: Fri, 12th Oct 2012 10:28 Post subject: |
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Nope. I'm having it right now on my 680. Had the same shit with my 460. I'm pretty sure it's because I run two monitors; Nvidia's multi monitor management is absolutely terrible and it's the one front where AMD are much better. Nvidia only figured out how to not make shit lag with two monitors early this year (the desktop would randomly slow down to 30 FPS or less when dragging windows around before).
I don't run the beta drivers either, WHQL only (for as far as that means anything).
I can make this story long or short, but basically anyone saying Nvidia or AMD has better drivers is full of shit. Unlike most, I've switch back and forth for 15 years now and I've had periods on both sides where things are silky smooth, as well as periods where both couldn't put out a stable driver if their life depended on it. It's software, bugs happen, deal with it - you'll have to, no matter which way you go.
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| Posted: Fri, 12th Oct 2012 10:30 Post subject: |
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yeah i usually keep out of those discussions.
a) i only run a nvidia gpu and have therefor no point of reference for ati (not for like 8 years+ hehe)
b) i am confident both run normal setups just fine.
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| Posted: Fri, 12th Oct 2012 10:37 Post subject: |
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| Posted: Fri, 12th Oct 2012 11:10 Post subject: |
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oh yeah pretty much this and dolphin suggested earlier.
Maybe shadow of the colossus and resident evil 0 will work well now
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| Posted: Fri, 12th Oct 2012 11:14 Post subject: |
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Good thread. Just ordered a 3570k to replace my Phenom 2 X4 955. Its been a sweet ride for the past 10+ years AMD.
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| Posted: Fri, 12th Oct 2012 11:51 Post subject: |
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| W123 wrote: | | Good thread. Just ordered a 3570k to replace my Phenom 2 X4 955. Its been a sweet ride for the past 10+ years AMD. |
I went from an ancient Phenom quad-core to a shiny new 3570k, and I couldn't be happier with it.
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| Posted: Fri, 12th Oct 2012 12:12 Post subject: |
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| Werelds wrote: | Neither a 560 Ti nor 570 is a match for the 7870/660 Ti; the 670 is a full step up in price and between the 7870 and 660 Ti it comes down to which one he can get cheaper  |
You're missing the point, which is price  I suggested those cards because, even today, they offer insane price/performance ratios. KC has said that he's on a very strict budget, so yes-- the 7870/660 are more powerful than the 570, but they're also significantly more expensive. Of course he'd ideally want a 660ti or equivalent AMD card, but price plays its part in that.
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3570k is about 10% faster on same clocks as 2500k. But some say it clocsk a bit worse and it's hotter. |
I wouldn't have even said it was 10% faster, it depends on the tests you run, but you are right; it has worse thermals and, as such, a lower ceiling for overclocking. The 2500K is superior
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| Posted: Fri, 12th Oct 2012 12:22 Post subject: |
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Never been a huge overclocker, will probably push it to 4 ghz tops. Ivy will do me fine. Nonetheless i've heard great results if you redo the thermal paste on the Ivy
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| Posted: Fri, 12th Oct 2012 12:25 Post subject: |
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| W123 wrote: | | Nonetheless i've heard great results if you redo the thermal paste on the Ivy |
I can't really see KC taking off the heatspreader and reapplying thermal paste. No offence KC <3
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| Posted: Fri, 12th Oct 2012 12:26 Post subject: |
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Truth be told if the 2500k were much cheaper than the 3570 i would have gone for it.. but around here its the same price. Amazon had a good deal on the 3570K at $199 so i picked it up. Got a Coolermaster 912, an MSI board, DDR3, and a samsung 128GB SSD so im set for the next few years. I hope i wont be bottlenecked by my crossfired 6850s.
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