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sabin1981
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PostPosted: Tue, 16th Oct 2012 19:33    Post subject:
The Archangel suit disappointed me Sad Tell me again why FLYING doesn't convey height bonuses?
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locke89




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PostPosted: Tue, 16th Oct 2012 19:34    Post subject:
It DOESN'T!?! ROFL...
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Mr.Tinkles




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PostPosted: Tue, 16th Oct 2012 19:37    Post subject:
sabin1981 wrote:
The Archangel suit disappointed me Sad Tell me again why FLYING doesn't convey height bonuses?



Isn't that something you can mod with resource hacker? Surprised


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Doh!




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PostPosted: Tue, 16th Oct 2012 19:45    Post subject:
zmed wrote:
sabin1981 wrote:
Atyesz wrote:

3. A squadsight sniper with overwatch and opportunist is your best friend.


Honestly, that tip should be Tip #s 1 through 10 on its own grinhurt Squadsight + Overwatch + Opportunist + Battle Scanner + Doubletap? That WILL get a nerf in an upcoming patch, I can pretty much guarantee it. It's DELICIOUSLY powerful. My sniper has almost double the kills of my other team mates Very Happy
I never go for Battle scanner, disabling shot is just way too useful against sectopods to pass up. Not to mention that it saved the ass of more than a few guys, simply by knocking out the guns of aliens who would otherwise have a free shot at them.


And disabling shot is THE way to get close to nasties with the arc thrower.
Making something like the heavy plasma your self is a crazy amount.

If you guys are bored with Classic diff, then try impos like this:
http://xcom.nexusmods.com/mods/17/?tab=3&navtag=%2Fajax%2Fmodimages%2F%3Fuser%3D0%26id%3D17
I then res hacked the exe to enable second wave and having a blast again!


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Silent_Lurker




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PostPosted: Tue, 16th Oct 2012 19:45    Post subject:
sabin1981 wrote:
The Archangel suit disappointed me Sad Tell me again why FLYING doesn't convey height bonuses?


It doesn't ? Shocked
I am not that far in the game, I restart from scratch with my legit version.

It must be a miss, because flying ennemy have a flight bonus!


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zmed




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PostPosted: Tue, 16th Oct 2012 19:45    Post subject:
Didn't notice the lack of height bonus, but the fact that I can park my snipers above the spawn area and they can snipe without obstruction with squadsight is real winner. No more "fuck, if only that molehill was one tile to the left" raging. Very Happy
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Doh!




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PostPosted: Tue, 16th Oct 2012 19:45    Post subject:
Silent_Lurker wrote:
sabin1981 wrote:
The Archangel suit disappointed me Sad Tell me again why FLYING doesn't convey height bonuses?


It doesn't ? Shocked
I am not that far in the game, I restart from scratch with my legit version.

It must be a miss, because flying ennemy have a flight bonus?


It does its 20 def.
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Silent_Lurker




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PostPosted: Tue, 16th Oct 2012 19:48    Post subject:
Doh! wrote:
Silent_Lurker wrote:
sabin1981 wrote:
The Archangel suit disappointed me Sad Tell me again why FLYING doesn't convey height bonuses?


It doesn't ? Shocked
I am not that far in the game, I restart from scratch with my legit version.

It must be a miss, because flying ennemy have a flight bonus?


It does its 20 def.


Damn I missread Sabin, he was talking about height for shot bonuses. Sad


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sabin1981
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PostPosted: Tue, 16th Oct 2012 19:50    Post subject:
Doh! wrote:

It does its 20 def.


Other than health, there are no bonuses conferred by using the Archangel suit - not even after fully researching, it doesn't give any "elevated position" bonuses either, which pretty much negates the idea of FLYING. It's a massive fail Sad




Something else about the game really gets my goat; terror missions. Talk about being massively skewed against you --- the civilians you're supposed to rescue almost always start in the ALIEN field of view and rand of movement, often hidden outside of your own field of view. It's not uncommon for me to start a a terror mission now and immediately lose 3-4 civvies right after my first deployment move.
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m3th0d2008




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PostPosted: Tue, 16th Oct 2012 20:14    Post subject:
I think you get elevated position bonuses in general. The more you're elevated or something. Sniper perk just enhances this even more so my guess is, flying gives a huge bonus in general. Not sure though. But I remember getting very good percentages on my flying guys.


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PostPosted: Tue, 16th Oct 2012 20:16    Post subject:
m3th0d2008 wrote:
I think you get elevated position bonuses in general. The more you're elevated or something. Sniper perk just enhances this even more so my guess is, flying gives a huge bonus in general. Not sure though. But I remember getting very good percentages on my flying guys.



See the picture above ? Very Happy


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sabin1981
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PostPosted: Tue, 16th Oct 2012 20:19    Post subject:
Exactly.. the suit clearly states that flying does NOT confer elevated-position bonuses. So either the game is wrong, perhaps a misprint on the information, or those that think they are getting more accurate shots and more defence are basically just under the impression of a placebo? Sad

~edit~

Checking the [F1] stats DOES show a +20 defence bonus in flight though, so I guess not so useless after all. Still pissed beyond measure that a FLYING suit doesn't give ELEVATION bonuses >_<
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Silent_Lurker




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PostPosted: Tue, 16th Oct 2012 20:23    Post subject:
sabin1981 wrote:
Exactly.. the suit clearly states that flying does NOT confer elevated-position bonuses. So either the game is wrong, perhaps a misprint on the information, or those that think they are getting more accurate shots and more defence are basically just under the impression of a placebo? Sad


Or maybe the sniper "height bonus" perk overdrive the Archangel "no bonus" so you get mega height bonus in this case ?
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sabin1981
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PostPosted: Tue, 16th Oct 2012 20:24    Post subject:
Maybe, but the text states "the usual" bonus.. which is the annoying part. So either the text is wrong or the flight suit is only useful as a tank measure - giving +8 health and, in flight, +20 defence.
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PostPosted: Tue, 16th Oct 2012 20:48    Post subject:
Ouch ran into a proper clusterfuck on last mission hehe, ran into 3 aliens and thought as usual ohh not bad will take em out quick and move on, but as they run of for cover i miss to kill any of em with overwatch and thought no biggie, then i see they are calling in 2 more groups and i´m like crap this will get hairy, but still could walk away hopefully with just loosing 1 of my 4 soldiers.

Ohh how wrong was i after what 3-4 rounds and taking out 3 of the 9 aliens 2 cryssalids walk in and all hell breaks loose as they promptly walk over and kill the forward guy, as it goes when he turns he in turn walks over kills another guy and the rest of the aliens kill of the rest and wham epic squad wipe with my best of the best. hehe

Sometimes you just can´t win muahaha Smile

Just love the game even tho i´d like them to expand on the strategy layer with more bases and the ability to do 1 mission per base up to 3 bases or so, one can always hope but overall i´m having a blast and just can´t seem to get enough of it. Smile
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no9999




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PostPosted: Tue, 16th Oct 2012 20:50    Post subject:
So whats the deal on ruski keys ?

Can i activate them normally or do i need to activate them one time only through ru vpn ?
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ExcaliburB




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PostPosted: Tue, 16th Oct 2012 22:10    Post subject:
So I'm guessing none of the groups are gonna put out a patch?

I see a Dutch, French and German patch but nothing English so far. Sad
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Neon
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PostPosted: Tue, 16th Oct 2012 22:38    Post subject:
My sniper <3333333

22 missions, 50 kills. Usually she wields a plasma sniper rifle, and a skeleton suit with the grapple, but she was wounded in the mission I just finished.

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Axeleration




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PostPosted: Wed, 17th Oct 2012 00:47    Post subject:
how's the story in this game?
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sabin1981
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PostPosted: Wed, 17th Oct 2012 00:48    Post subject:
axeleration wrote:
how's the story in this game?


Zero. There is none, it's basically just "aliens invade, you research new tech, you beat aliens" stuff. Damned addictive though Very Happy
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PostPosted: Wed, 17th Oct 2012 01:24    Post subject:
sabin1981 wrote:
Maybe, but the text states "the usual" bonus.. which is the annoying part. So either the text is wrong or the flight suit is only useful as a tank measure - giving +8 health and, in flight, +20 defence.

i don't know what it is. i put my sniper in th corner at max height and she hits anything and everything in overwatch or otherwise.
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sabin1981
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PostPosted: Wed, 17th Oct 2012 01:25    Post subject:
Hopefully the text is wrong then Smile I've actually taken to equipping my two snipers with Archangel armour now - simply due to the enormous defence bonus AND that they're damned cool when flying grinhurt
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PostPosted: Wed, 17th Oct 2012 02:07    Post subject:
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zmed




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PostPosted: Wed, 17th Oct 2012 02:08    Post subject:
sabin1981 wrote:
axeleration wrote:
how's the story in this game?


Zero. There is none, it's basically just "aliens invade, you research new tech, you beat aliens" stuff. Damned addictive though Very Happy
To be fair, there is story, just that we saw this a million times before and saw being done a million times better. But who plays a game like this for the story? Very Happy
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PostPosted: Wed, 17th Oct 2012 03:09    Post subject:
Had my first game related real life nightmare Shocked Laughing

My heavy colonel with 22 missions and 25 kills died on a mission after being raped by a berserker just once, even his full health didn't save him Crying or Very sad

Witnessed that whole mission again in a dream. Thinking taking a break from a game for a few days


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PostPosted: Wed, 17th Oct 2012 03:38    Post subject:
WhiteBarbarian wrote:
Had my first game related real life nightmare Shocked Laughing

My heavy colonel with 22 missions and 25 kills died on a mission after being raped by a berserker just once, even his full health didn't save him Crying or Very sad

Witnessed that whole mission again in a dream. Thinking taking a break from a game for a few days


Chitin plating could have saved him - +4 health and 50% less hand to hand damage.
I still dream of arming my assaults with powerfists and chainswords...
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WhiteBarbarian




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PostPosted: Wed, 17th Oct 2012 05:17    Post subject:
He was with arch thrower, my whole team with exception of sniper used them. In my game there is almost no chrysalids, only gathered enough bodies to make one Chitin plating. But after that mission I have changed load out to

2 Heavies with grenades
2 Supports with 3x medkits + arch thrower
1 Sniper with scope
1 Assault with arch thrower


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DCB




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PostPosted: Wed, 17th Oct 2012 05:22    Post subject:
Concerning the Archangel suit, I was disappointed myself about not getting bonuses for flying, but I guess it makes sense for balance reasons. Snipers are already nigh on overpowered. If you gave them even more advantages it would be far too easy for a levelled up sniper in an Archangel suit to clear a map by themselves without even moving, with the other guys just opening up sight lines and flushing out the aliens.

For Berserkers, I find a good strategy, once you have some mid- to high-level soldiers and laser (or better, plasma) weapons, is to pair an Assault that has Close Combat Specialist and Rapid Fire with another soldier and position them so that you can use the second soldier to bait the Berserker towards them. As long as the second soldier is slightly behind the Assault, when the Berserker passes the Assault they will get an automatic reaction shot from Close Combat, then on their turn they can use Rapid Fire to load another 2 rounds into it. Assuming everything hits, 3 rounds at point blank range with a laser scattergun/alloy cannon (at least one of which should crit), plus whatever damage the 2nd soldier did with their initial shot, should take it down no trouble. But yeah before that, ouch lol.
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Peef




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PostPosted: Wed, 17th Oct 2012 08:04    Post subject:
I seem to have an issue with engineering Sad

I can build satellites without problem. Got 2 workshops atm and about 30 engineers.

But I can't seem to make arc throwers, laser weapons, ...
The order is submitted but never started, am I doing sth wrong? I can't progress in the story like this Sad
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randir14




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PostPosted: Wed, 17th Oct 2012 08:18    Post subject:
Peef wrote:
I seem to have an issue with engineering Sad

I can build satellites without problem. Got 2 workshops atm and about 30 engineers.

But I can't seem to make arc throwers, laser weapons, ...
The order is submitted but never started, am I doing sth wrong? I can't progress in the story like this Sad


Have you researched them? Arc throwers and laser weapons are supposed to be immediate purchases.


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