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dsergei
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But you can unlock everything by just playing the game. It just takes time.
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| Posted: Tue, 11th Dec 2012 08:23 Post subject: |
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Its LoL for me, i tried watching/playing Dota2 but i just dont like it. One might say its more complex n shit, but for me its just more boring to watch/play. I guess it would be different if i had ever played Dota. I dont get why people have to fight over which of those moba´s is better. Everyone´s getting real worked up whenever you say smth bad about game x, just leave it be....
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sausje
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| Posted: Tue, 11th Dec 2012 11:11 Post subject: |
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That is a fucking retarded chart made by some 5 year old kid.
This basically means EVERY f2p game is p2w, because i have yet to see a f2p game without a cashshop that has exp boosts... 
Pay2win means nothing more then having the opertunity to get items within the game with real money that give you stats boost or damage increase by 10% or so, THAT'S pay2win, nothing more nothing less
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| Posted: Tue, 11th Dec 2012 11:47 Post subject: |
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Agreed, the definition of pay2win used there is unrealistic. I believe the generally accepted meaning of the term was that (informally speaking): "you can gain an advantage by paying real money which cannot be obtained otherwise". By this definition, LoL is not pay2win, since everything gameplay-related can be obtained just by playing.
For instance, the F2P game mechwarrior online could be classified as pay2win since there do exist mechs which can ONLY be obtained by cash.
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sausje
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| Posted: Tue, 11th Dec 2012 11:53 Post subject: |
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DOTA 2 isn't a f2p game yet, it's still in beta. Your point is invalid. Due to anything can still change before release.
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sausje
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| Posted: Tue, 11th Dec 2012 12:01 Post subject: |
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Still, calling a game p2w for exp boosts is just plain stupid
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| Posted: Tue, 11th Dec 2012 12:03 Post subject: |
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hon have only cosmetic items on cash shop, icons, avatars, courier avatars, name color, taunts, announcement packs, only thing that could impact gameplay is buying early access to a hero ( you just get to play hero for 2-4 weeks before its released for free to everyone, but from 110-130~ current heroes getting one more, and if you dont play ap, chances you get to chose him is once a full moon anyway, not to mention playing new hero isnt always best for winning 
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| Posted: Tue, 11th Dec 2012 12:37 Post subject: |
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Ok, regardless of how you choose to define the term "pay2win", it still stands that in LoL you cannot gain an advantage by paying real money which cannot be obtained otherwise. In Dota, you have everything at your disposal from the get-go, in LoL you have to play (or pay) to unlock heroes/runes.
For me personally that's just part of the fun, the feeling of "playing 1 more game to unlock the next hero I want to try / buy that final rune for this runepage I want to use for this hero"...
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sausje
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| Posted: Tue, 11th Dec 2012 12:47 Post subject: |
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| funame wrote: | | Quote: |
That is a fucking retarded chart made by some 5 year old kid.
This basically means EVERY f2p game is p2w, because i have yet to see a f2p game without a cashshop that has exp boosts...
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Just FYI, because i was just in a LoL game and couldn't get the image i wanted.
No exp boost you say? I proof you otherwise, again invalid point.
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sausje
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| Posted: Tue, 11th Dec 2012 12:50 Post subject: |
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And seriously, you have to PAY to get into tournaments
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bnf
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| Posted: Tue, 11th Dec 2012 12:55 Post subject: |
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| sausje wrote: | | And seriously, you have to PAY to get into tournaments |
Now you are being plain retarded. No point arguing with you anymore 
I'll just quote myself since you didn't bother reading the first time: "you can only pay for cosmetics or tournaments you decide to support by buying a ticket to watch them ingame, but all of them are still streamed HD for free - that might change in the future though."
It's just Valve trying to help oup the various communities which organize tournaments - you're free not to watch those tournaments ingame and watch them on streams. Some of them were also offered for free, such as The International or Dreamhack.
Well, have fun with your LoL sausje. I hope you find it very deep and competitive enough for your needs. I thought one could have a reasonnable conversation with you but obivously I was mistaken. I'm done with this thread, which has gone very sour thanks to you and those falling into your bait - unfortunately, I kind of was one of them. I wish I could have had an actual discussion in this forum as I had expected, but no, still the same crap.
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sausje
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| Posted: Tue, 11th Dec 2012 13:00 Post subject: |
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Xcuse me?! Battlepoints are for lvling up, so a boost that gives you 75% more battlepoints isn't the same as a xp boost according to you?
Because his point was that because LoL has a xp boost it's Pay2Win, nothing more, nothing less..
Oh and what an obnoxious champion select
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| Posted: Tue, 11th Dec 2012 13:04 Post subject: |
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You should get out of this thread now you're being ridiculous and you're making yourself look very bad.
We will just say it for you once more:
- In LoL the exp boost which you can buy allow you to unlock HEROES. You don't have to pay in order to unlock them, but you can pay to do so. This affects gameplay - money is not necessary, but it can help you.
- In Dota 2 Battle Xp boosts boost your.. Battle Points, said Battle Points are basically useless and have no value whatsoever. You only gain a cosmetic item every time you level up, but you can get one at random too. Once again, it doesn't influence gameplay in the slightest. I actually have no idea why people buy BP boosts. Maybe just because it cheers everyone up at the start of a game - since everyone in it benefits from the boost.
And I won't bother replying to you anymore, I've tried rising the level of conversation but you must be hungover or something and are just acting like an ass.
Good day sir !
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bnf
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| Posted: Tue, 11th Dec 2012 13:06 Post subject: |
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| TheZor wrote: | | I actually have no idea why people buy BP boosts. |
I don't think anybody actually does buy them, they do drop from chests and why wouldn't you use one if you have one.
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sausje
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| Posted: Tue, 11th Dec 2012 13:13 Post subject: |
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| TheZor wrote: | | - In LoL the exp boost which you can buy allow you to unlock HEROES. |
IP boosts are those, not xp 
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sausje
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| Posted: Tue, 11th Dec 2012 13:24 Post subject: |
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No it doesn't, but it's funny how butthurt you all get.
The point was that LoL was a Pay2Win game (with that statement getting backed up by a stupid image saying that all games that have xp boosts are pay2win).
Pay2Win means nothing more then being able to buy items ingame that give you a stat advantage over others and CANNOT be obtained by any other means then spending real money.
THAT'S the defenition of Pay2Win.
Funny how it went from stupid accusations about LoL being pay2win to all ganking up on me with other arguements that had nothing to do with the initial claim But such things are to be expected from the MOBA crowd.
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sausje
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| Posted: Tue, 11th Dec 2012 14:15 Post subject: |
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Well i do agree with the fact that buying the new released champs counts as pay2win, altho you can just aswell buy them with IP. But those new champs are always retardedly overpowered (as i said before), and yes i do think, for a "competitive" game, that's fucking low.
And i didn't see the grid view, was already wondering why the made such a decision 
But still, my view on pay2win still stands. I played Silkroad Online for many years, that game is a perfect example for pay2win. (and i did spend quite alot of money... stupid me  )
Here are a few examples, and this is my defenition of pay2win.
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| Posted: Tue, 11th Dec 2012 15:25 Post subject: |
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You can grind for hundreds and hundreds of hours to fill out rune pages with the best runes or you can buy them much quicker.
If you aren't paying to win what are you doing? You are spending money for extra power now.
If I made a FPS where you can grind with a shitty gun for approximately 1000 hours of gameplay, or buy a great gun right away, how is it anything but p2w?
The company facilitates the purchase of an advantage over others. Whether great or small it exists and it is pay to win.
Do you really think the theoretical ability to get it done without paying, no matter how long it takes, excuses it?
Which game is more pay to win, a game that does the above, or a game that gives you everything right away, no advantages can be paid for at all?
I don't see how you can pretend it's not p2w just because it's not the most p2w game out there
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sausje
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| Posted: Tue, 11th Dec 2012 15:30 Post subject: |
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So by definition, then Planetside 2 is a Pay2Win game aswell...
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