The Hobbit (2010)
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Tom_Bob_adil
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PostPosted: Sun, 16th Dec 2012 14:23    Post subject:
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Tom_Bob_adil wrote:
The notion that 3 Hobbit movies are overkill is totally moronic. Failed Troll
Because this is the only hope that "The Hobbit" will be a better adaptation of the Tolkien script in the cinema, better I hope of the shirty LOTR-movies trilogy.
LOTR-movies were OK for the ignorant with the Tolkien world, a good action-fantasy movie for a no and so demanding audience, but for the well versed in subject, it was a disaster.
Mostly because not only big parts of the books was cut but the hole project frivolous and superficial in his attempt to recreate the author's world essence.
I only hope that this time they will do a better job having less material to create and relatively more movie time available.



"based on".

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PostPosted: Sun, 16th Dec 2012 16:56    Post subject:
Watched the Hobbit yesterday, good movie but the 3D did nothing for me. I have glasses so having to wear a second pair to watch the damn movie is mainly annoying to me.

Can't wait for it to hit Blu-Ray so i can watch it properly.


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PostPosted: Sun, 16th Dec 2012 17:09    Post subject:
Tom_Bob_adil wrote:
The notion that 3 Hobbit movies are overkill is totally moronic. Failed Troll


I didn't say it'd be a a bad thing if they did a massive filmatization of the Silmarillion, did I? Wink

LOTR could've been much, much worse too - when you take into account the limitations of the film media as a whole (including the fact that it has to be commercially viable), I think Jackson and co. did a great job.
I know some people won't be happy with any filmatization except one where Christopher Tolkien sits on a chair and reads the novels out loud, but I'm just glad I can enjoy both the books and the movies for what they are.
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PostPosted: Sun, 16th Dec 2012 17:49    Post subject:
woop going to see it in 2 hours. 2d and 24 fps. Wouldve wanted to try that 48fps, but our cinema isnt high tech enough I guess Sad


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PostPosted: Sun, 16th Dec 2012 18:00    Post subject:
Tom_Bob_adil wrote:
The notion that 3 Hobbit movies are overkill is totally moronic. Failed Troll
Because this is the only hope that "The Hobbit" will be a better adaptation of the Tolkien script in the cinema, better I hope of the shirty LOTR-movies trilogy.
LOTR-movies were OK for the ignorant with the Tolkien world, a good action-fantasy movie for a no and so demanding audience, but for the well versed in subject, it was a disaster.
Mostly because not only big parts of the books was cut but the hole project frivolous and superficial in his attempt to recreate the author's world essence.
I only hope that this time they will do a better job having less material to create and relatively more movie time available.


I wanted to reply to this, but then realised that by tomorrow you´ll be turned to stone Laughing

But really mister "I was left out of the movie buhu" what did you miss that was crucial to the story in the 10 hour trilogi that is LOTR?

Sorry for being so ignorant by the way.
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PostPosted: Sun, 16th Dec 2012 20:53    Post subject:
inz wrote:
Tom_Bob_adil wrote:
The notion that 3 Hobbit movies are overkill is totally moronic. Failed Troll


I didn't say it'd be a a bad thing if they did a massive filmatization of the Silmarillion, did I? Wink

LOTR could've been much, much worse too - when you take into account the limitations of the film media as a whole (including the fact that it has to be commercially viable), I think Jackson and co. did a great job.
I know some people won't be happy with any filmatization except one where Christopher Tolkien sits on a chair and reads the novels out loud, but I'm just glad I can enjoy both the books and the movies for what they are.

there isn't any chance to see material from the "Silmarillion" in the Hobbit trilogy because of copyright .
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PostPosted: Sun, 16th Dec 2012 21:08    Post subject:
Didn't disappoint Smile Really happy they went with 3 movies.
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PostPosted: Mon, 17th Dec 2012 06:09    Post subject:
Tom_Bob_adil wrote:
Ankh wrote:
Tom_Bob_adil wrote:
The notion that 3 Hobbit movies are overkill is totally moronic. Failed Troll
Because this is the only hope that "The Hobbit" will be a better adaptation of the Tolkien script in the cinema, better I hope of the shirty LOTR-movies trilogy.
LOTR-movies were OK for the ignorant with the Tolkien world, a good action-fantasy movie for a no and so demanding audience, but for the well versed in subject, it was a disaster.
Mostly because not only big parts of the books was cut but the hole project frivolous and superficial in his attempt to recreate the author's world essence.
I only hope that this time they will do a better job having less material to create and relatively more movie time available.



"based on".

- common Sense Smile


Still, you seem to miss that the movie is not by tolkien. And its only (as all movie adaptions) based on the book.

Edit: Sure, one could argue about how much they change in a movie - but they they usually try to add some of their own ideas to make it more personal. Somtimes it works - sometimes it doesnt. I think they did rather well in LOTR and so far it works in Bilbo.


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PostPosted: Mon, 17th Dec 2012 09:59    Post subject:
Ankh wrote:
Tom_Bob_adil wrote:
Ankh wrote:



"based on".

- common Sense Smile


Still, you seem to miss that the movie is not by tolkien. And its only (as all movie adaptions) based on the book.

Edit: Sure, one could argue about how much they change in a movie - but they they usually try to add some of their own ideas to make it more personal. Somtimes it works - sometimes it doesnt. I think they did rather well in LOTR and so far it works in Bilbo.

I agree with your statements with one but big exemption.
I think that they made, technically speaking, a fair job but they totally fail to "catch the spirit" of the Tolkien world.
In my personal opinion, this type of fantasy is better served by the Animation Movies. I remember one excellent movie by Pixar, "the Brave".
Again subjectively, I think that if they were done the Tolkien LOTR and the Hobbit in with the new genre of animations they could made a far more fine, quality wise, job and in the spirit of the original text. Smile
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PostPosted: Mon, 17th Dec 2012 16:30    Post subject:
What parts of the book, which were essential to "catch the spirit", you missed personally in the LotR movies?
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PostPosted: Mon, 17th Dec 2012 21:33    Post subject:
It's not about parts only but mostly the whole fairy tale feeling of the book isn't properly charted in the movie. It's like they take the first paragraphs in every scene making it shine but shallow and miss the rest, if you take my meaning.
As for the missing parts, the trip to Bree in the first movie was the most annoying.


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PostPosted: Mon, 17th Dec 2012 21:52    Post subject:
What fairy tale feeling? None of the versions I read had any feeling resembling anything remotely related to a fairy tale :/
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PostPosted: Mon, 17th Dec 2012 22:00    Post subject:
I have grown accustomed that new members with Tokien-esque names are Ronhrin. Will I be proven wrong this time? Laughing
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Would Ron misspelll Bree? Razz
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PostPosted: Mon, 17th Dec 2012 23:25    Post subject:
Tom_Bob_adil wrote:
It's not about parts only but mostly the whole fairy tale feeling of the book isn't properly charted in the movie. It's like they take the first paragraphs in every scene making it shine but shallow and miss the rest, if you take my meaning.
As for the missing parts, the trip to Bri in the first movie was the most annoying.

Are you talking about Hopbbit or LotR? Hobbit is a fairy tale I guess, which is understandable since it's basically a child's book. LotR however is far from that. If he did the LotR movies like he did Hobbit, in which the style fits Hobbit's lighter style, LotR would've been one corny scene after the other. Especially if you read silmarillion to get a sense of the backstory, you can see how dark the LotR universe actually is.
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PostPosted: Tue, 18th Dec 2012 00:43    Post subject:
Tom_Bob_adil wrote:
It's not about parts only but mostly the whole fairy tale feeling of the book isn't properly charted in the movie. It's like they take the first paragraphs in every scene making it shine but shallow and miss the rest, if you take my meaning.
As for the missing parts, the trip to Bri in the first movie was the most annoying.


What in the nine hells!? You call people enjoying LOTR ignorant and LOTR itself crap and the best you can come up with is you wish they had made a Brave like animation fairy tale world instead of the epic setting it is.

And lets get one thing straight here - Silmarillion is the real prequel to Lord of the Rings not The Hobbit. The Silmarillion was started at a time where Tolkien had lost alot of his friends and the ongoing of war world 1 in which he also served (by the end of ww1 he had lost all his close friends expect 1). Fairy tale my ass.
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PostPosted: Tue, 18th Dec 2012 05:46    Post subject:
Here's the First Release!

The Hobbit 2012 CAM READNFO XviD MP3-ADTRG

Quality! Laughing



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PostPosted: Tue, 18th Dec 2012 06:02    Post subject:
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Would Ron misspelll Bree? Razz


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PostPosted: Tue, 18th Dec 2012 08:31    Post subject:
headshot wrote:
Here's the First Release!

The Hobbit 2012 CAM READNFO XviD MP3-ADTRG

Quality! Laughing



Bilbo Pixels Reaction

I'd love to go on cinema and watch the movie but no budget so far for extra things Crying or Very sad
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PostPosted: Tue, 18th Dec 2012 08:41    Post subject:
In the same boat here xExtreme. It being a forcefed 3d movie(im not a fan of the concept) which they charge almost double for isnt helping either =(


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wen is bluræy owt? lol wut
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PostPosted: Tue, 18th Dec 2012 10:37    Post subject:
The Whole Tolkien work is a fairy-tale, influenced from the mythological images, mostly from Nordic mythology but non entirely. The Hobbit is more "light" because it's suited for kids but the LOTR trilogy is darker.
Are you saying to us that there aren't dark fairy tales? Are you sane? Isn't if the "Little Red Riding Hood" a dark tale with sexual innuendo? Or the Grimm Tales, haven't they a dark ambiance. Go Google "dark fairy tales", to see what I'm talking about.
Poor sight is the only explication I can give for I really think that "Doh!" seems to be a person that isn't stupid, of course maybe a can be wrong in that, because I never said that people that like LOTR movies are totally ignorant but probably they aren't well versed in the Tolkien world. In this thread idiotic persons even ask for GORE in a movie like that! as if they were in "The Saw", the idiots.
And the Silmarillion, for the know-all but sciolist persons, isn't a prequel in LOTR nor the Hobbit but something entirely different. It's a record of the whole world that Tolkien had in his mind and from this sprang up the stories of them but also is rough and not so polished and very difficult to follow, an entirely different style of reading from Hobbit and LOTR.
And us for the "Brave like think", you miss my point entirely because what i said, and Ι emphasized that it's a personal bias, that I would prefer those movies would done in this animation style because real actors is very difficult to incarnate fantasy figures like elves or dwarfs but animated figures with real actors in the buck round have in the past done excellent work in animation movies.
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PostPosted: Tue, 18th Dec 2012 12:20    Post subject:
Werelds wrote:
Would Ron misspelll Bree? Razz

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I don't really know how things are going in the movies section when it comes to pirated releases these days, so does anyone know about how long there is until a dvdrip (at least) shows up? I kind of hate the idea of cinema, absolutely hate the idea of 3D and on top of that there isn't even one in my city (not anymore anyway...).
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PostPosted: Tue, 18th Dec 2012 14:04    Post subject:
The DVD/Bluray won't be out until April at least.

A screener has been sent out to awards voters, as they have for almost all the awards contenders. None of them have leaked so far, though.


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BTW: http://www.hypable.com/2012/12/08/hobbit-unexpected-journey-extended-edition-run-time/

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Jackson hosted a Q&A following a screening of The Hobbit: An Unexpected Journey at Ain’t It Cool News’ Butt-Numb-A-Thon 14 in Austin, Texas today. Reports indicate that the director confirmed 20 – 25 minutes of additional footage with the Extended Edition. With the theatrical version clocking in at 2 hours, 40 minutes, that means Extended Edition will run at least 3 hours.


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consolitis wrote:
BTW: http://www.hypable.com/2012/12/08/hobbit-unexpected-journey-extended-edition-run-time/

Quote:
Jackson hosted a Q&A following a screening of The Hobbit: An Unexpected Journey at Ain’t It Cool News’ Butt-Numb-A-Thon 14 in Austin, Texas today. Reports indicate that the director confirmed 20 – 25 minutes of additional footage with the Extended Edition. With the theatrical version clocking in at 2 hours, 40 minutes, that means Extended Edition will run at least 3 hours.




Included will be scenes of Bilbo jurking off, going to the bathroom and a special buckkake scene with all the dwarves.


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PostPosted: Tue, 18th Dec 2012 14:37    Post subject:
I think that would be the eXXXtended edition. Laughing


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PostPosted: Tue, 18th Dec 2012 15:39    Post subject:
It seems that mistranslation of the movies title led some jerks in the wrong topic. This is the right movie for them, i think.

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PostPosted: Tue, 18th Dec 2012 15:40    Post subject:
cirithungol wrote:
The DVD/Bluray won't be out until April at least.

A screener has been sent out to awards voters, as they have for almost all the awards contenders. None of them have leaked so far, though.

Well, that just fucking sucks. Sad
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