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| Posted: Tue, 8th Jan 2013 00:05 Post subject: |
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Says he used MS financial reports. Doesn't say what those reports included and which parts he used for calculations though.
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| Posted: Tue, 8th Jan 2013 00:05 Post subject: |
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So a developer at MS has access to detailed financial reports?
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tonizito
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| Posted: Tue, 8th Jan 2013 00:06 Post subject: |
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Microsoft are probably  'ing their asses off at this peasant and his theories 
| boundle (thoughts on cracking AITD) wrote: | | i guess thouth if without a legit key the installation was rolling back we are all fucking then |
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| Posted: Tue, 8th Jan 2013 00:10 Post subject: |
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| Posted: Tue, 8th Jan 2013 00:19 Post subject: |
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| Mister_s wrote: | | So a developer at MS has access to detailed financial reports? |
Don't the reports like that get published (every quarter or so)? I think we have plenty of news about how one or another publisher/game developer is doing financially based on those reports... losses, profits, etc.
Don't know how detailed they are though.
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| Posted: Tue, 8th Jan 2013 09:11 Post subject: |
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| Posted: Tue, 8th Jan 2013 10:00 Post subject: |
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I don't mind it if titles that are more suited for consoles (derp driving games, fighting games, platforms, hack and slash games, etc.) are released earlier for consoles. But if they start to sell games that are shit on consoles (fps, sims, rpgs, etc.) then that is absolutely fucking retarded.
Yes, yes I'm back.
Somewhat.
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| Posted: Tue, 8th Jan 2013 10:09 Post subject: |
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What's with this thread necromancy?!?
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| Posted: Tue, 8th Jan 2013 10:14 Post subject: ***** |
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| Posted: Tue, 8th Jan 2013 10:32 Post subject: |
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http://www.microsoft.com/investor/reports/ar11/financial_review/discussion_analysis.html
Those numbers are entirely open, they are legally obligated to publish them. So regarding Intel_NVIDIA's remark: the "proof" for this is about a million times better than any proof for "piracy is killing PC gaming", since they can never know for sure how many times a game has been pirated. These fiscal numbers however are set in stone, they're not made up, they're not guesstimates, they're hard numbers that have been filed with the US government. Of course, like any other company MS will have cheated on some numbers, like adding extra cost positions etcetera.
Meanwhile, a game like Portal 2 or SC2 sells just as well as the top sellers on consoles; and even with crossplatform titles that's counting retail only, since numbers from Steam and such aren't public. For the record, if you look at those top sellers on consoles you'll see that bar the CoD-extravaganza, sales aren't as good as they were with neither the PSX nor PS2. So yes, I'm still calling bullshit on any "piracy kills PC gaming" claims - a good game will sell just as well as on consoles. Not always in absolute numbers of course, because the PC gaming market is a lot smaller, but the piracy rate is high on any platform - and I dare say higher on consoles, it just affects the publishers less because the markets are so much bigger.
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| Posted: Tue, 8th Jan 2013 11:35 Post subject: |
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The current consoles gen is coming to an end,its just natural its in decline.
"Fuck Denuvo"
Your personal opinions != the rest of the forum
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| Posted: Tue, 8th Jan 2013 11:47 Post subject: |
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And even more people have facebook, why does it matter?
Different markets. The guy that loves angry birds is going to keep playing angry birds and the guy that loves Halo is going to keep playing Halo. And the guy that loves both is going to keep playing both.
TWIN PEAKS is "something of a miracle."
"...like nothing else on television."
"a phenomenon."
"A tangled tale of sex, violence, power, junk food..."
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JackQ
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| Posted: Tue, 8th Jan 2013 12:20 Post subject: |
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Werelds, you misunderstand. I was not talking about the whole life cycle. only about the ending which you probably missed when reading
"Fuck Denuvo"
Your personal opinions != the rest of the forum
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| Posted: Tue, 8th Jan 2013 13:06 Post subject: |
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@consolitis: it matters because unlike Facebook apps and games and such, Android and iOS games are actually very profitable. The margins are much higher than they are in the console market.
@JackQ: in that case, your remark has nothing to do with what's being discussed here?
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| Posted: Tue, 8th Jan 2013 13:22 Post subject: |
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No one I know using Android buy any of their apps, even the people who know nothing of apks etc. I'd actually like some piracy numbers for the mobile platforms, would be interesting.
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Werelds
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Quite the opposite for me, I'm one of the few who's pirated a few apps here. Especially the people I know who only have iOS devices tend to buy everything, even with the retarded prices you sometimes see on the App Store for non-games. It's because the actual amount is so low for the games, they go "oh it's just 2 EUR...*click*" rather than looking at 60 EUR (or more).
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| Posted: Tue, 8th Jan 2013 14:53 Post subject: |
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I buy games on android  Not all... Last game I bought was need for speed most wanted. But it wasn't as good as I thought it'd be  Thought that EA was a little bit more mature than gameloft but the games really feel the same
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| Posted: Tue, 8th Jan 2013 15:47 Post subject: |
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| Taffelost wrote: | I've never seen a game justifying me buying a console. There's more than enough good games released for the pc as it is. If they don't want my money then it's cool by me. Take Halo as an example. I was really psyched about it, then they decided to release it for x-box exclusively.As time went by my hype for the game dissipated and to this date I've never played the game, and I can't honestly see myself doing it either as the technology is quickly becoming ancient.
Do I see M$ as an evil corporation because they maximize their profitting? Hell no! It's their God given right and in fact it's their duty to do so to their share holders. I would've expect the management of my company to maximize profit to the max. If you want charity go to Red Cross or your government.
Now, you can of course discuss whether MS dominance or ability to draw unhealthy synergies from their PC-console dominance at the cost of the consumers is ethical. It's not a very relevant discussion however. MS has achieved their market position by a) being good capitalists and b) having ignorant/weak competition-authorities in the US/EU. If you want to blame someone then blame your authorities for allowed MS to become too powerful in their market. They shouldn't be allowed to buy any more developers and the same goes for Electronic Arts. You can't blame a corporation in the western world for being capitalists though. You can't blame a company for trying.
I'm exercising my rights as a consumer by not buying a console. When MS eventually after a year decides to release something on the PC I'm not interested as it's yesterdays news. They loose money from this consumer. That is my right just like it's their right to be x-box exclusive if they like. |
XBOX360 only had 1 game that was worth owning this system Dead Rising ... but now its not worth owning when later parts are on the pc... it only now stands as a RGS system that can run games
PS3 is a worth owning console that to this day has 42 exclusives titles that are worth owing from Heavy Rain to Uncharted
Wii ... ehm some would say Dolophin PC emu but overall is worth having system , you can say its got the same appeal as PS2 has |
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| Posted: Tue, 8th Jan 2013 15:59 Post subject: |
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| Werelds wrote: | | @consolitis: it matters because unlike Facebook apps and games and such, Android and iOS games are actually very profitable. The margins are much higher than they are in the console market. |
Strip clubs  might also be a profitable entertainment business but I don't see the relevance.
I've never heard of a single person that said "I'm tired of console gaming (from CoD to FIFA to Skyrim and more), angry birds it's where it's at!  ".
There are people that like both, sure.
There are people that like smartphone gaming only, sure.
There are people that abandoned console gaming, because they don't like it anymore compared to smartphones, nope.
Different markets. If console gaming wasn't really profitable, I'd get it, but it is. And success on the smartphone market is no more certain than in the console market. Not every single app out there has made $$$$$$$$$$$.
TWIN PEAKS is "something of a miracle."
"...like nothing else on television."
"a phenomenon."
"A tangled tale of sex, violence, power, junk food..."
"Like Nothing On Earth"
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| Posted: Tue, 8th Jan 2013 17:14 Post subject: |
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| Posted: Thu, 15th Aug 2013 22:12 Post subject: |
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http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2013-08-15-xbox-coms-pc-marketplace-is-shutting-down
| Quote: | | "Although purchase functionality will be discontinued through this marketplace, the Games for Windows Live service will continue to operate as usual." Thus, it's just purchases through the website that are being shuttered. Not the service itself. |
Fuck
| boundle (thoughts on cracking AITD) wrote: | | i guess thouth if without a legit key the installation was rolling back we are all fucking then |
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| Posted: Thu, 15th Aug 2013 22:26 Post subject: |
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You wanted all the games that use GfWL to become unplayable? Because that's what this probably means.
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| Posted: Thu, 15th Aug 2013 22:31 Post subject: |
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| JanKowalski82 wrote: | | You wanted all the games that use GfWL to become unplayable? Because that's what this probably means. |
No, I just wanted it to go away so that upcoming games might ignore it all together
And even it's microsoft we're talking about, IF GFWL was ever knocked offline I'm sure they would provide a way to play at least the single player portions of the game while offline (which they already do, sans the cheevos).
MP games however? Though titties, I guess 
| boundle (thoughts on cracking AITD) wrote: | | i guess thouth if without a legit key the installation was rolling back we are all fucking then |
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| Posted: Thu, 15th Aug 2013 22:32 Post subject: |
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| JanKowalski82 wrote: | | You wanted all the games that use GfWL to become unplayable? Because that's what this probably means. |
Not really... I mean, sure, it's possible. But unlikely. Minerva's Den is being transitioned over to Steam and no doubt having the G4WL removed. The guys at Relic have shown they're bloody awesome transitioning CoH1 to Steamworks, so no doubt they'll do the same for DoW2. What else is there? Arkham City? Same as Bioshock 2 - Steam cheevos are already in place, and it won't take much to asign keys to the bought DLC so that they can be redeemed on Steam.
I think it'll be messy, but I don't think it'll be unworkable.
Also, anyone else think the timing of this alongside Jason Holtman taking a leadership role in MS's gaming division is just a bit too coincidental?
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