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| MaroW wrote: | | evilmonkey wrote: | | in my opinion the only decent genre of game is FPS and maybe a little stratagy here and there and consoles just cant pull it off quite frankly, I sat down at my mates house the other day and played NFSU and with the low rez and the jaggies and not to mention the screen looked like it was smeared in chip fat, I couldnt even tell if corners were turning left or right, coming from the PC. Sure Ive got a killer PC but its no excuse for how incredibly bad consoles look, low rez low textures, low effects and crap fps's and even crapper online experience. If I ever feel the need to play daft jumpy 3rd person rubbish like 'Crash Bandicoot 12: weve got nothing left' then I may have a blast on a console |
did you play the ps2 version or what?
| - Glish - wrote: | | toeffy wrote: | | also nothing beaqts four player split screen and two cases of beer for boring evenings. |
yeah theres something ; 4 friends playing nhl2005 without split screen |
heh... sure... its easy to call up 4 friends and ask "hey... are you in the mood to put your whole computer+monitor+keyboard/mouse etc together and bring it over here for the evening to play a bit of nhl"... if your friends arent kids on holidays or complete nerds with no real life they should laugh at you for asking that....
if your talkin about playing over internet... then you seem to not have any real friends at all... |
loool WTF u talking about, do you know that NHL 2005 is a hockey game, that can be played on the SAME COMPUTER with 4 usb pads? I bet you dont since you have a good life and so much imaginary friends to chat about stupidity all day.... For your information, we played that game right after our 'real life' golf game so stick this up your ass until you feel something in your throat.
Oh and also, one of them was playing nhl 2005 on the console since it was out and 4 times while we were playing he said : Damn the image is so sharp i cant believe it... At least someone can see the difference between a pixelized tv screen and a monitor....
next time be more friendly in your reply, just so you dont sound and look as stupid as you did.
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| Posted: Wed, 17th Aug 2005 06:19 Post subject: |
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we had this console-pc war like 9-10 months ago... consoles are doomed, eventually they will be merged with computers (not to say they will dissapears)... cause in the end, can u tell me one thing a console do that a computer dont? in revenge, I can tell you thousands of things a computer does and a console dont.
Talk about upgrade prices, then tell me wheres your ps1, n64 etc at? you cant even play ps2 games on ps1 (not sure since i dont have any console) so youre fucked with your ps1. Then your ps2 is already old cause the new one is coming out. Today more than never you dont need to upgrade your pc each year, and you can change only things you can at the moment, like adding more memore or chaging video card. I still can sell my p4 2.4 (rather old for me) for a good price and update to a faster one, can u say the same for your ps2 when the new one hit the shelves?
By the time new console generation hit the market, the very same day the computers are ahead. So guess what, in 2 years, your console brand new today console is old and has been exploited to the max by game designers... by that time ill be playing the newest game on the pc with new lightning engine and stuff.
Theres no point to have a war on this, hardcore console fans to me are like kids playing at the arcade, while i can have all this in my home, yeah thats it in the end, console = arcade.
Alot of you are saying that console are going to be more PC-Like, then WHY DO YOU THINK? Consoles are going to be more PC-Like but still VERY limited compared the PC.
Those of you who said console are the way of the future, then if I own a computer im already living in the future thats cool.
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| Posted: Wed, 17th Aug 2005 06:49 Post subject: |
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| - Glish - wrote: | | MaroW wrote: | | evilmonkey wrote: | | in my opinion the only decent genre of game is FPS and maybe a little stratagy here and there and consoles just cant pull it off quite frankly, I sat down at my mates house the other day and played NFSU and with the low rez and the jaggies and not to mention the screen looked like it was smeared in chip fat, I couldnt even tell if corners were turning left or right, coming from the PC. Sure Ive got a killer PC but its no excuse for how incredibly bad consoles look, low rez low textures, low effects and crap fps's and even crapper online experience. If I ever feel the need to play daft jumpy 3rd person rubbish like 'Crash Bandicoot 12: weve got nothing left' then I may have a blast on a console |
did you play the ps2 version or what?
| - Glish - wrote: | | toeffy wrote: | | also nothing beaqts four player split screen and two cases of beer for boring evenings. |
yeah theres something ; 4 friends playing nhl2005 without split screen |
heh... sure... its easy to call up 4 friends and ask "hey... are you in the mood to put your whole computer+monitor+keyboard/mouse etc together and bring it over here for the evening to play a bit of nhl"... if your friends arent kids on holidays or complete nerds with no real life they should laugh at you for asking that....
if your talkin about playing over internet... then you seem to not have any real friends at all... |
loool WTF u talking about, do you know that NHL 2005 is a hockey game, that can be played on the SAME COMPUTER with 4 usb pads? I bet you dont since you have a good life and so much imaginary friends to chat about stupidity all day.... For your information, we played that game right after our 'real life' golf game so stick this up your ass until you feel something in your throat.
Oh and also, one of them was playing nhl 2005 on the console since it was out and 4 times while we were playing he said : Damn the image is so sharp i cant believe it... At least someone can see the difference between a pixelized tv screen and a monitor....
next time be more friendly in your reply, just so you dont sound and look as stupid as you did. |
well... maybe i misunderstood... shit happens...
but...  ... did the friend who mentioned the sharpness also recognize how small your monitor is? no offense... just askin.... cause this plays an important role too i think..
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nightlith
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| Posted: Wed, 17th Aug 2005 08:05 Post subject: |
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| -=Cartoon=- wrote: | well hes judging a entire console vs pc debate on 2 games...
And he says
"he only money you can make on a PC is a multiplayer WW2 FPS "
hahahaha.. yeah right...
Then he says that we do nt have the burnout series... ummmm ok.... then he says we have carmaggedon.. but then he says he has never played it.. granted they dont compare.. but how can you take a guy seriously who says that. |
Carmaggedon was a vehicular shooter...arcadey and involving cars. Burnout is all about using the car as a weapon and ramming your opponents off the road. Also arcadey. They don't compare as a racer, but both are arcadey car games. And I don't see Burnout 2 or 3 on anything but PS2 and seXboX, so what's wrong with that arguement?
Also, learn to count past two. I listed Katamari, Burnout, Mortal Kombat, Black and White, plus every WW2 shooter in existance. Mind you, consoles have a small share of WW2 shooters also, but man...Call of Duty, DoD, Medal of Honour (and all 6 sequals  ), BF1942+2 xpacks...
Really though, if you're not willing to put the time into a thoughtful, intelligent and mature rebuttal, I'm not interested in further discussion with you. (I'd like to clue you in to my 'lol' at the Katamari part. You see, adults use a thing they call 'tongue in cheek' humour. I do believe you failed to notice that. Also the main point I was striving to get across is that console developers tend to put more effort into gameplay, and innovation, while PC developers tend to stick with what works. Look how long it took to add vehicles to FPS multiplayer...developers didn't want to take that risk that their game wouldn't sell as gamers weren't ready for that kind of fundamental change. Look at Mobile Forces for an example)
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| Posted: Wed, 17th Aug 2005 08:36 Post subject: |
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"console developers tend to put more effort into gameplay, and innovation,"
errr.. honestly im not gonna try with argue with someone who thinks that.
and what do you mean "Look at how long it took to add vehicles to fps multiplayer"
What are you talking about ?? guess you never played tribes.. codename eagle.. etc etc etc.
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| Posted: Wed, 17th Aug 2005 10:19 Post subject: |
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| -=Cartoon=- wrote: | "console developers tend to put more effort into gameplay, and innovation,"
errr.. honestly im not gonna try with argue with someone who thinks that. |
Oh no, we don't want to sully your unbiased ingenuity about platforms! Really, a good game on a system that doesn't use a keyboard and mouse as it's sole form of user interfacing?! How propesterous!
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| Posted: Wed, 17th Aug 2005 10:49 Post subject: |
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I like both, is that possible?
Used to be a PC gamer, but xbox opened a whole new realm for me.
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| Posted: Wed, 17th Aug 2005 12:41 Post subject: |
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| AnimalMother wrote: | Seriously this whole discussion is just conjecture until the next gen consoles have been out for a couple of years.
I just fail to see how the majority of developers are going to pass up making mega bucks by selling their souls to the consoles.
My opinion is that a game should either be developed for both platforms at the same time independently, or should be developed for just one.
Ports prevent games from reaching their true potential. |
that is so true. my own take on all this is i own both a high spec pc and a modded xbox so games are free either way. i love the xbox for games that are great on consoles be them sports(fight night round 2 rocks), fighting games(you cant beat Tekken), platformers(Rayman etc)+ others but since my fave type of game is action fps or tps(third person) these will only ever be great on PC unless they release a kb and mouse for next gen consoles.
LOL im sorry but the imprecision of a gamepad makes console fps/tps a big FUCKING joke, lol trying to snipe?LOL.
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| Posted: Wed, 17th Aug 2005 12:57 Post subject: |
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The whole PC vs Consoles debate isn't exactly correct - it is like comparing real F1 racing and F1 remote control car...there is the real deal and the simplified version. What I mean is that PC is complex piece of electronic equipment that allows a user who is knowledgeable enough to run all kind of software, including pirated games. On the other hand, consoles are quite user friendly boxes that allow any casual human being to enjoy a game without understanding anything about electronics, computers or software. If you can press 2 - 3 buttons in succession, you can start a game. And that's the real difference.
You can hook up gamepads to PCs if you want to play fighting or sport games. You can (will be?) able to connect a keyboard or mouse to console to play strategy games. The difference in games isn't a function of the controllers available (mostly)...it's the understanding that there are games that casual player will never play. As some users on the forum already said, if you're up to waste time with friends and beer, you probably won't be engaged at 4+ hours game of Total War...instead you'll play a quickie of NHL or Tekken. Therefore, since consoles are mostly targeted towards the simpler gamer (casual), the titles released correspond towards that...ie they are simpler to control and to play. On the other hand, the complexity of PCs creates more sophisticated players who are willing to spend time setting up their games (wasting hours trying to optimize INI files  ) and play them for longer. It's really just a different kind of audience.
Put yourselves in place of a game development firm...if you know your target audience (in it's majority) will use the console to relax after day's work or after school and before homework will you develop complex games or strive towards simplicity & immediate fun?
Of course, it's not black and white either, some players combine both worlds depending on the situation. And of course there are casual titles to PCs (targeted to those casual gamers who have PC for work mainly) and more complex titles to consoles.
In the end, everyone should choose what is right for them, and it's really not an issue of intelligence or something. Now, as far as Hardware comparison goes - it's a fight consoles will never win because of a different approach. Pcs are modular, ie made up of many different components that one can substitute at any given time. Consoles, on the other hand are made "as is" and can't be upgraded throughout their life cycle. What that means is that when a console is released, the developer will try to deliver the best hardware available, since it must last for 3 years or so! He wants to make sure that in 1 - 1.5 years the console will be competitive enough and still sell. Competitive to whom you ask?  To the leaders of gaming hardware of course..the PCs. Advancements in hardware are very rapid in personal computers...almost every year a new generation of something comes up and nearly doubles the performance. In a 1 year or so from now you will look at PS3 or Xbox360 and see that your gaming PC produces better graphics but value wise the console will still be worty. Less advanced in graphics but costs a little bit more than high end graphics card...still competitive for the heart of the undecided gamer who has PC for work and might decide to go for a console instead of upgrading PC to gaming level.
The only thing that makes them even comparable (as much as real F1 is comparable to it's own remote controlled version) is the fact that code wise, consoles are tighter. Since there is only 1 hardware configuration available the programmers do not have to write general code that will work equally well on both AMD, Intel, Nvidia, ATI...and so on. That approach makes the code slower, bigger and generally buggy. Too bad that this is the price we have to pay for modularity. That what helps the console games work perfectly each time and that's what makes consoles obsolete after 2 - 3 years.
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| Posted: Wed, 17th Aug 2005 13:48 Post subject: |
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ps2 has been around 5 years still sells extremely well and has games coming out all the time, hardly obselete. Xbox is going for 5 yrs also still popular still selling...not exactly obselete either. maybe only 2 or 3 yrs if u buy it 2 or 3 yrs after it comes out.
Amazes me tho how a coupla ppl on here think leeching the shit out of games and getting em free is a good thing. Do i download games..absolutley its the best way of trying something before i spend 40 - 70 bucks on buying it. Do i buy the ones i play...yup. I even bought boiling point for all its faults in the small hope that the devs will get enough sales to warrant a sequel i think they have some potential. There's plenty of ppl who argue in favor of their beloved platform yet dont even suppourt it by buying the games.
For the KB mouse / joypad debate i'd put money on it there's plenty of console gamers out there that could totally own the pants off you guys in a game matching them with a kb and mouse. Its all about preference and what yu feel comfortable with ive seen some prettyawesome gamers using a gamepad you'd be suprised
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| Posted: Wed, 17th Aug 2005 16:58 Post subject: |
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| LastRite wrote: | | I dont buy the PC being expensive crap. Yes if you buy from pc world, Im running a Radeon 9700 pro which I purchased two years ago for cheap which still plays anything I throw at it on high quality settings . . . |
dream on, God you lot take the piss, lol - the only reason you can possibly play at high settings is cos your card is so old now that half the stuff in the new games your card don't even support in the 1st place,
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| Posted: Wed, 17th Aug 2005 18:12 Post subject: |
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logically it seems console is a better option. though some more intelligent games req the flexibility of pc controls but its not that good an investment to spend that much of money on a high speed pc unless you have someother use of the pc aswell,for example if youre a 3d artist. otherwise you can buy a console just for the price of a cpu or a graphic card. but for sure consoles lack upgrading options console makers should think over this issue.
and as for good games not available on other platforms its the issue with both pc and console. i dont play console so i cant tell what i miss on a console but there are plenty specially fps. and on a pc i certainly miss tekken and ninja gaden and soul blade
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nightlith
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| Posted: Wed, 17th Aug 2005 19:44 Post subject: |
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| killmestupid wrote: | | -=Cartoon=- wrote: | "console developers tend to put more effort into gameplay, and innovation,"
errr.. honestly im not gonna try with argue with someone who thinks that. |
Oh no, we don't want to sully your unbiased ingenuity about platforms! Really, a good game on a system that doesn't use a keyboard and mouse as it's sole form of user interfacing?! How propesterous! |
Just ignore him man. He has proven he can't provide a coherent, rational and thought out rebuttal so there's no point in trying to discuss matters further with such a troll.
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To the user who suggested consoles should be able to upgrade in order to provide more features later on...I disagree. The main point that defines a console is one standardized piece of hardware. Though I'm sure many of you don't read or study the underlying process of how a console or PC works (I'm not talking just binary either), by giving a user the option to upgrade their video card 'A' to a 'B', you run the risk of introducing bugs into game code. The big difference between a console CPU and a PC CPU is the instructions (you've heard terms like SSE or MMX). Basically in order to improve the processing speed of a CPU pre-set instructions are coded into the circuitry. For a PC to function, 100's of instructions are coded, with more being added every upgrade, and they are designed to do many things. As such the PC is a 'jack of all trades' type deal. I'm not going to go into it further...it's alot of information. Read this is you're interested: http://cse.stanford.edu/class/sophomore-college/projects-00/risc/risccisc/
Anyway, console games work as well as they do because the developer has a pre set of instructions he can code for and no more. As such, it's very easy to bug test the software to work 100% flawless (though things like poor QA still leave some left behind obviously).
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To many of you saying consoles are simpler or more casual. I agree completely. But I'd like to point out that isn't really a bad thing and can't be used as a "for or against" arguement. Look at eye surgery. I'd say the laser makes things alot easier for the doctor, compared to full out surgery.
The arguement though that says consoles are just kiddie stuff, pc's are for real men, is pretty subjective. Look at Manhunt, God of War, and GTA. Not really kiddie are they
And finally, PC games are for people who know their sheet...no. Look how many people come here to complain "how do I 'unrar'?" "What is deemontoolz?" "How do I upgrade my gfx cards drivorz?" Nah...I'd almost argue the more intellegent people play consoles, based soley on the fact that smarter people will be busy people and busy people don't have time to wait 1 hour just to find enough people to play a 3 hour match in Age of Empires, lol. (totally bunk arguement, for those who can't see the humour in it)
Anyway, keep the debate sensible No one can honestly say which is better without being completely biased and subjective. Just play both
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| Posted: Wed, 17th Aug 2005 19:47 Post subject: |
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Topic is PC versus next gen and the consoles are not out yet, so kinda pointless Games make consoles and hardware PCs. You can still do so much stuff on a PC, even if no good game is out and then play some between. Im still thinking of buying a used playstation for GranTurismos and Tekkens, but only interested in xbox360 or PS3, for their insides (have to wait until someone gets one and ruins their warranty  )
What comes to the easiness of a console, well i have my pc hooked up to a wide screen allways for movie use, so could play the games from it, but why shoud i. Resolution just sucks, sure you can back away so you don't see the dots, but then the advantage of a bigger screen goes away. Then again, if you take old console games to pc and play them trough an emulator they look so good. Even bought Gran Turismo new one time to play it on a pc
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| Posted: Wed, 17th Aug 2005 21:00 Post subject: |
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| MaroW wrote: | | - Glish - wrote: | | MaroW wrote: | | evilmonkey wrote: | | in my opinion the only decent genre of game is FPS and maybe a little stratagy here and there and consoles just cant pull it off quite frankly, I sat down at my mates house the other day and played NFSU and with the low rez and the jaggies and not to mention the screen looked like it was smeared in chip fat, I couldnt even tell if corners were turning left or right, coming from the PC. Sure Ive got a killer PC but its no excuse for how incredibly bad consoles look, low rez low textures, low effects and crap fps's and even crapper online experience. If I ever feel the need to play daft jumpy 3rd person rubbish like 'Crash Bandicoot 12: weve got nothing left' then I may have a blast on a console |
did you play the ps2 version or what?
| - Glish - wrote: | | toeffy wrote: | | also nothing beaqts four player split screen and two cases of beer for boring evenings. |
yeah theres something ; 4 friends playing nhl2005 without split screen |
heh... sure... its easy to call up 4 friends and ask "hey... are you in the mood to put your whole computer+monitor+keyboard/mouse etc together and bring it over here for the evening to play a bit of nhl"... if your friends arent kids on holidays or complete nerds with no real life they should laugh at you for asking that....
if your talkin about playing over internet... then you seem to not have any real friends at all... |
loool WTF u talking about, do you know that NHL 2005 is a hockey game, that can be played on the SAME COMPUTER with 4 usb pads? I bet you dont since you have a good life and so much imaginary friends to chat about stupidity all day.... For your information, we played that game right after our 'real life' golf game so stick this up your ass until you feel something in your throat.
Oh and also, one of them was playing nhl 2005 on the console since it was out and 4 times while we were playing he said : Damn the image is so sharp i cant believe it... At least someone can see the difference between a pixelized tv screen and a monitor....
next time be more friendly in your reply, just so you dont sound and look as stupid as you did. |
well... maybe i misunderstood... shit happens...
but... ... did the friend who mentioned the sharpness also recognize how small your monitor is? no offense... just askin.... cause this plays an important role too i think.. |
My friends did, lol They said " holly shit, HL2 @ 120' . OMG" I also have a 37' wide screen moniter infront of me right now. Almost goes past my periferal vision. (Sry cant spell) Using sceen size as an arguement is irelivant.
I say let them keep they bloody consoles; the PC scene allready has enough 12 year olds. (A huge generalization; i know...but true in many aspects). And yes this was a joke..LOL
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| Posted: Fri, 19th Aug 2005 03:43 Post subject: |
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PC will ultimately trumph consoles.
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| Posted: Fri, 19th Aug 2005 03:48 Post subject: |
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PC is already loosing out of most of my real life friends perhaps 2 or 3 PC game the rest have consoles etc etc. The PC game market is stale maybe 5 good rls's a yr. Kind of a crazy statement when you look at the multiplatform game sales charts Consoles are on top in every way
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| Posted: Fri, 19th Aug 2005 05:09 Post subject: |
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| whackazog wrote: | | PC will ultimately trumph consoles. |
Dear lord I hope you hear yourself saying that. This isn't some crusade or anything, they're just completely different platforms.
Get over yourself.
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