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Frankly, I'll believe it when I see it.
Cause they can tell me candy grows on the moon for all I care at this point regarding the price.
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tonizito
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| Posted: Tue, 12th Mar 2013 00:08 Post subject: |
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Nonono there's no chance, no chance at all that sony won't suddenly pull a "sorry guise, 8gb DDR5 per unit is expensive and... um... er... it is $599, TA-DAA!" very near the launch.
They're not known for dum lies like the PSN hack, their awesome rootkits ("rootkits? wut? we don't use no stinkin' rootkits!"), and countless other bullshit.
Just like any other major corporation, really.
| boundle (thoughts on cracking AITD) wrote: | | i guess thouth if without a legit key the installation was rolling back we are all fucking then |
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ixigia
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| Posted: Tue, 12th Mar 2013 00:15 Post subject: |
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Who cares about the price anyway, it's not that we're going to taint our immaculate pedigree becoming dorito couch gamers, right? 
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tw1st
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| Posted: Tue, 12th Mar 2013 00:19 Post subject: |
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Maybe someone already made this point...
When they say "will out perform most pc's...." yeah maybe, because the general consumer has what? A dell/HP/compaq from a few years ago.... Used for internet, e-mail & youtube vids....sure. Those pc's fucking suck anyway, they got phones faster than some pc's these days. So in that regard... ya ps4 might be faster than most PC's given that most PC's aren't like the ones we have here.
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| Posted: Tue, 12th Mar 2013 00:20 Post subject: |
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| tonizito wrote: |
Nonono there's no chance, no chance at all that sony won't suddenly pull a "sorry guise, 8gb DDR5 per unit is expensive and... um... er... it is $599, TA-DAA!" very near the launch.
They're not known for dum lies like the PSN hack, their awesome rootkits ("rootkits? wut? we don't use no stinkin' rootkits!"), and countless other bullshit.
Just like any other major corporation, really. |
If you can't see why it's different 
Everything is possible. Is it probable though? A big fat bold NO.
TWIN PEAKS is "something of a miracle."
"...like nothing else on television."
"a phenomenon."
"A tangled tale of sex, violence, power, junk food..."
"Like Nothing On Earth"
~ WHAT THEY'RE TRYING TO SAY CAN ONLY BE SEEN ~
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CHTUOgYNRzY |
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| Posted: Tue, 12th Mar 2013 00:24 Post subject: |
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| ixigia wrote: | | Who cares about the price anyway, it's not that we're going to taint our immaculate pedigree becoming dorito couch gamers, right? |
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Roach_666
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| Posted: Thu, 14th Mar 2013 18:40 Post subject: |
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http://kotaku.com/5990489/japanese-developers-weigh-in-on-the-ps4
Platinum Games Producer, Atsushi Inaba
| Quote: | | Of course, I thought [the PS4's specs] were quite impressive, but you can't win in a competition against PC gaming specs that are constantly evolving. |
Quite funny that is the Japanese of all people that acknowledge this.
TWIN PEAKS is "something of a miracle."
"...like nothing else on television."
"a phenomenon."
"A tangled tale of sex, violence, power, junk food..."
"Like Nothing On Earth"
~ WHAT THEY'RE TRYING TO SAY CAN ONLY BE SEEN ~
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CHTUOgYNRzY
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tonizito
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| Posted: Thu, 14th Mar 2013 19:19 Post subject: |
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Indeed 
| boundle (thoughts on cracking AITD) wrote: | | i guess thouth if without a legit key the installation was rolling back we are all fucking then |
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thudo
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| Posted: Thu, 14th Mar 2013 20:00 Post subject: |
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MAKE ME MONEY, CONSOLES.. MAKE IT!!!!!!! 
Otherwise... [love PC]..
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| Posted: Thu, 14th Mar 2013 22:23 Post subject: |
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Personally, I cannot wait for the next generation of consoles.
New games will come out, and PC gamers will get the 360/PS3 scaled down versions, because the developers will be afraid we can't handle the games......
Then a year later, we'll get the same ports, and prove that we can handle them, and handle them better.
Be prepared for 360 ports of 720 games......it's inevitable
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prudislav
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| Posted: Thu, 14th Mar 2013 22:27 Post subject: |
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| jackasshole wrote: |
Be prepared for 360 ports of 720 games......it's inevitable |
dont think so - it will be easier for the to port nextgen version because nextgen console are closer to PC
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| Posted: Fri, 15th Mar 2013 00:07 Post subject: |
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They still have games on pc?
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| Posted: Fri, 15th Mar 2013 07:06 Post subject: |
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Nvidia: PS4 snub “clearly not a technology thing”, consoles an “opportunity cost”
The PlayStation 4 uses AMD tech, and Microsoft’s upcoming console is heavily rumoured to do the same, but rival Nvidia doesn’t care, saying next-gen consoles aren’t worth the company’s time.
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| Posted: Fri, 15th Mar 2013 09:11 Post subject: |
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I can'd der build dat for er derp 250 quid derp.
Right back to my Nvidia Titan with i7 3970 tech.
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Sin317
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Werelds
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| Posted: Fri, 15th Mar 2013 10:04 Post subject: |
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| Sin317 wrote: | | So for them its really not a big thing. |
You're wrong there.
The discrete and notebook GPU market is not a very profitable one just for starters. The console market on the other hand practically guarantees selling more chips within that first year for just *one* of the consoles than you would in the entire GPU market otherwise. You do that with higher margins as well, since there is less competition; once you have the design win, you have it. No bundling of other products such as games, no marketing necessary, a lot less driver debugging and so on.
So for Nvidia to say it's not a big thing is nonsense. Given AMD's (likely) double APU win that means a given 70m units sold in the first year across the two consoles, for their CPU department. The GPU department is healthier than ever, so all of it is very good for AMD.
No, the ones who'll be losing money on it are Sony and MS again most likely. Nvidia and AMD certainly did not lose money on the PS360 RSX/Xenos during the first years. Maybe in the past couple of years, with console shipments down it would've cost them, but I even doubt that as they had the necessary time scheduled at TSMC anyway.
What one should read in Nvidia's statement is either that Sony was unwilling to pay the margin Nvidia asked on their production costs (Kepler is still a little troublesome to fab) or that Nvidia wanted to push Tegra, which Sony wouldn't have paid much for obviously (aside from it being a shit choice). AMD will have had a better offer from Sony because they can deliver the whole package. Nvidia just can't do that, unless Sony were to drop down to ARM and a GPU that doesn't even support all of OpenGL ES. Because that's the thing: Nvidia does not have a design that can do it all. They would've had to design something from scratch, since Tegra is pretty crap in reality (like I said, doesn't even fully support everything in OpenGL ES). Fine for phones, but not for 50" displays with lots of bells and whistles. AMD meanwhile just had it all already.
Plus, in this case there's the huge marketing opportunity. The PS360 were good, but this time around the console market has grown even bigger and has gone even more mainstream. A lot of derp people will now see a laptop with AMD in it and go "HEY MY PS4 HAS THAT, AWESOME". |
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| Posted: Fri, 15th Mar 2013 10:10 Post subject: |
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| Sin317 wrote: | | pikachupi wrote: | Nvidia: PS4 snub “clearly not a technology thing”, consoles an “opportunity cost”
The PlayStation 4 uses AMD tech, and Microsoft’s upcoming console is heavily rumoured to do the same, but rival Nvidia doesn’t care, saying next-gen consoles aren’t worth the company’s time.
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In nvidia's defense, they beat ati in heaps in sales. So for them its really not a big thing. For ati, its survival (keep in mind, they have to pretty much drag amd along hehe). |
"AMD sold 25.43 million, leaving it with 21.2%. That leaves NVIDIA with 22.25 million, or 18.5%"
Not really (Q4 2012).
PC: Yes. Console: No.
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| Posted: Fri, 15th Mar 2013 10:35 Post subject: |
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| Werelds wrote: | | Plus, in this case there's the huge marketing opportunity. The PS360 were good, but this time around the console market has grown even bigger and has gone even more mainstream. A lot of derp people will now see a laptop with AMD in it and go "HEY MY PS4 HAS THAT, AWESOME". |
No way
TWIN PEAKS is "something of a miracle."
"...like nothing else on television."
"a phenomenon."
"A tangled tale of sex, violence, power, junk food..."
"Like Nothing On Earth"
~ WHAT THEY'RE TRYING TO SAY CAN ONLY BE SEEN ~
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CHTUOgYNRzY |
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Werelds
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| Posted: Fri, 15th Mar 2013 10:41 Post subject: |
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Yeah they will 
You're underestimating just how many and what kind of people watched the Sony event. AMD and Sony will market AMD's presence.
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| Posted: Fri, 15th Mar 2013 10:50 Post subject: |
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so far according to gamespot website Amd has lost 131 million this quarter so far and NVidia has posted a 175 million profit and amd sold there Austin hq for operating cash. Sound like its pretty solid at amd
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Werelds
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| Posted: Fri, 15th Mar 2013 10:51 Post subject: |
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I'm talking about the PS4, not the PS360. Read what I wrote please, consoles have gone *much* more mainstream and there was a lot more attention for Sony's event this time around. I have an uncle who only has a 360 and crappy laptop and he watched it (well parts of it, after it happened). He doesn't even know the difference between memory and storage, but he knows he's got "the" Intel in his laptop with "the" Nvidia. And he now knows the PS4 is an AMD machine.
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| Posted: Fri, 15th Mar 2013 10:52 Post subject: |
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hahahaha for years to come? really? ridiculous!
The new gfx cards and cpu's that'll come out next year will smash ps4 lol
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Werelds
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| Posted: Fri, 15th Mar 2013 10:54 Post subject: |
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| Tdoggg1 wrote: | | so far according to gamespot website Amd has lost 131 million this quarter so far and NVidia has posted a 175 million profit and amd sold there Austin hq for operating cash. Sound like its pretty solid at amd |
That's AMD as a whole, I said the GPU department is healthier than ever. The GPU department is the only part that's making money. Read before you reply.
And it's not "this quarter so far", it's last *financial* quarter (which is not Oct-Dec,Jan-Mar etc). |
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| Posted: Fri, 15th Mar 2013 11:00 Post subject: |
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Ya there doing so well that the just laid off 15% of their workforce looks like there set for the future
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| Posted: Fri, 15th Mar 2013 11:01 Post subject: |
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anyway's, good thing that nvidia is out...this way they will produce new gpu line for the pc faster and the ps4 will not out power most pc's for long time 
the bottom line is that lines like this:"PS4 will out-power most PCs for years to come" works for the marketing system even if it is not true, people falling for this shit evry time, they don't think about the machine itself,they are thinking of the comparison and they want to be of course at the "winner" side,but it is more like weiner side.
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Hell I'm not even sure if my 360 has nvidia or AMD. I think you're underestimating the level of derp in the average console gamer 
