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The Rat
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Every crime could be considered "reality" by the standards of people posting in this thread. Where is the line drawn in the sand? As someone said child porn? hate crimes? Perhaps nazi propaganda websites glorifying what they did in WW2 should be allowed also because they are "reality" (I known Hachbiff would love it).
That website is not about journalism but about filling people's sick and voyeuristic needs. People are getting off on pain and death. This is not healthy.
Websites like ogrish.com contain nothing more than "snuff" videos and photos.
Do you guys beat off while visiting websites like this? You might as well since it is feeding the same need.
Have some respect for the poor people that are portrayed in the videos and photos. They have no control over the images posted probably by some 17 year old punk who think they are "kool". Have respect for life (and death for that matter).
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Griffon
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| Posted: Sat, 27th Aug 2005 01:30 Post subject: |
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Ogrish is indeed reality, but you can live without seeing it, it's not like we all will see someone beheaded at some point of life :\
I guess the internet would be a cleaner place without sites like Ogrish, I don't see why anyone would go there anyways...
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Mutantius
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| Posted: Sat, 27th Aug 2005 15:17 Post subject: |
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| Jenni wrote: | Jesus. How the fuck can anyone compare child porn with Ogrish.
What a fucked up forum we have.
Maybe the people on here that support child porn should end up on Ogrish. That I would fully support.
Hell I would even enjoy the footage. |
Jesus...
I must agree with some of the posters in this thread, Child Pornography is indeed disgusting and should not be on the net. Though we can't ban it or block it out. Its just like freedom of speech, even though you have a sick opinion you still have the right to say it.
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| Posted: Sat, 27th Aug 2005 15:25 Post subject: |
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Personally I dont give 2 fucks about Ogrish, Who ever made the site is sick in the head. I mean Who wants to own a web site that shows pictures / videos or murder, torture, death and people in pain????!!! Their cant honestly be people that enjoy watching this stuff is their??
I dont mind Rotten as its not as bad, but they are not sites that I would be proud to be the owners of...
I bet the owners of them sites wouldnt want pictures / videos of their dead relatives / parents / son's / daughters posted all over the internet for people to look at and some sick people to laugh at...
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| Posted: Sun, 28th Aug 2005 05:44 Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | However, if there werent a sicko market for child porn, none would be available and the kids who would have been forced into making the movies wouldnt be. |
The irony is internet child porn is also police's most powerful weapon against child molesters. It allows them to identify victim in the footage and track em down.
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SycoShaman
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| Posted: Sun, 28th Aug 2005 07:19 Post subject: |
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| Mutantius wrote: | | Jenni wrote: | Jesus. How the fuck can anyone compare child porn with Ogrish.
What a fucked up forum we have.
Maybe the people on here that support child porn should end up on Ogrish. That I would fully support.
Hell I would even enjoy the footage. |
Jesus...
I must agree with some of the posters in this thread, Child Pornography is indeed disgusting and should not be on the net. Though we can't ban it or block it out. Its just like freedom of speech, even though you have a sick opinion you still have the right to say it. |
Commiting an act of rape on a child is not free speech and not freedom of expression and its not an opinion.... |
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Mutantius
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| Posted: Sun, 28th Aug 2005 11:11 Post subject: |
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| SycoShaman wrote: | | Mutantius wrote: | | Jenni wrote: | Jesus. How the fuck can anyone compare child porn with Ogrish.
What a fucked up forum we have.
Maybe the people on here that support child porn should end up on Ogrish. That I would fully support.
Hell I would even enjoy the footage. |
Jesus...
I must agree with some of the posters in this thread, Child Pornography is indeed disgusting and should not be on the net. Though we can't ban it or block it out. Its just like freedom of speech, even though you have a sick opinion you still have the right to say it. |
Commiting an act of rape on a child is not free speech and not freedom of expression and its not an opinion.... |
You are absolutely right! Though we can't stop it, and if we stop it then what else are we going to block? Im sure it will evolve and lead to ban on other things like Porn, Violence etc.
Though only my opinion.
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GP Force
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| Posted: Sun, 28th Aug 2005 19:11 Post subject: |
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I thought about replying to this "thread" but seeing the thread got swarmed with pre-teens I decided not to...
The first 10 peeps who replied has something to say, the rest is just full of crap, if reality makes you sick ,then do as most people do...drugs....
Seeing action_hollywood is far more sick if you ask me, since they stray to far away from reality...
If you don't like it fine... just don't act like 12 years and curse evryone they are sick...
Child pornography is something completly different....
Damn, did 99% of the IRC join the forum or what?
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GP Force
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| Posted: Sun, 28th Aug 2005 19:13 Post subject: |
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| Jenni wrote: | Jesus. How the fuck can anyone compare child porn with Ogrish.
What a fucked up forum we have.
Maybe the people on here that support child porn should end up on Ogrish. That I would fully support.
Hell I would even enjoy the footage. |
Agreed, child pornograhpy is something TOTALLY different....
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SycoShaman
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| Posted: Mon, 29th Aug 2005 01:27 Post subject: |
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| Mutantius wrote: | | SycoShaman wrote: | | Mutantius wrote: |
Jesus...
I must agree with some of the posters in this thread, Child Pornography is indeed disgusting and should not be on the net. Though we can't ban it or block it out. Its just like freedom of speech, even though you have a sick opinion you still have the right to say it. |
Commiting an act of rape on a child is not free speech and not freedom of expression and its not an opinion.... |
You are absolutely right! Though we can't stop it, and if we stop it then what else are we going to block? Im sure it will evolve and lead to ban on other things like Porn, Violence etc.
Though only my opinion. |
I agree withthe fact we cant stop child rape/porn which is something that bothers me a great deal, but censoring it so to speak wouldnt have the end results u think. Child porn is far different than porn.I mean in porn, u have 2-4 consenting adults, engaging in consenual acts of sexuality and no one is harmed (unless it some S&M shit, but even then its consenual ya kow). Big difference in my view |
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Mutantius
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| Posted: Mon, 29th Aug 2005 06:13 Post subject: |
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Well I just think it will evolve but then again I could be wrong...
And of course there are a big difference from Child pornography to porn.
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SycoShaman
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| Posted: Mon, 29th Aug 2005 07:06 Post subject: |
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| Mutantius wrote: | Well I just think it will evolve but then again I could be wrong...
And of course there are a big difference from Child pornography to porn. |
I dont get it, what should or will evolve? |
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Mutantius
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SycoShaman
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| Posted: Mon, 29th Aug 2005 16:11 Post subject: |
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Well I might be wrong, but there are a lot of things people gets pissed at nowadays. If they decide to let a broadband provider block/ban a few things.
And I fear this is a start. |
true, other stupid "rights" groups and shit may use it as a base for other stupid censorship, but still, child porn man, that shit needs to be delt with the most effective way possible...personally, I think anyone who is convicted of the actual act of rape (whether it be in a child porn or not) should be executed (by the parents of the child) publicly (like they do in the mideast) as a deterrent for the other sick fucks out there.
And those involved in the production, distro and shit of child porn should be handed life sentences without possibly of parol...none of this 2 year less a day shit for ppl who rape kids...pisses me right off. Thank god Toronto has gotten smarter and is toughing up the child porn laws and such. |
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Mutantius
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| Posted: Mon, 29th Aug 2005 16:22 Post subject: |
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I couldnt agree more m8. Child Pornography shouldnt be allowed, its a crime agaisnt innocent lives. And I find joy when I see the bastards who did it get caught!
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SycoShaman
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| Posted: Mon, 29th Aug 2005 16:34 Post subject: |
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U know what chaps my ass tho? If some politician actually had the balls to suggest a policy such as the one I suggested toward child porn/rape, they would be mauled by those stupid fuckin activist's groups. Fuck I hate some of those ppl with a passion.
What we need is say the UN to say "this is what were gunna do with ppl who rape and sexually abuse kids....execution and life imprisonment, no questions asked after person has been convicted" and make it a world policy...I swear, everyone except pedophiles would support it.
So it would have a duel benefit...the sickos would be executed and itd be easier to tell who is a sick fuck pedophile as they'd be against that law...
Thank god im not a cop like max or something. Cuz I swear, if I ended up being involved in rescuing some kids who were kidnapped and forced into sexual slavery, and the guy was in the house and all that....man. I'd sodomize him with my baton for a good hour or two, castrate him then book him...least the fuck wont ever be able to sexually assault anyone again, even if he gets outta jail.
Well, least the PG's (prison guards) in prison turn a blind eye when u decide to fuck up a pedophile...and trust me, in prison, man dem dont mess around with the bawty bwoys...pedophiles get a shit kicking and get raped over and over...just like they did to the kids
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Mutantius
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| Posted: Mon, 29th Aug 2005 18:02 Post subject: |
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Well methinks they should be castrated... and be locked up. Thats an ideal punishment, and who can't see that as an obvious solution to those kinds of problems?
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| Posted: Mon, 29th Aug 2005 21:56 Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | Commiting an act of rape on a child is not free speech and not freedom of expression and its not an opinion.... |
We aren't talking about the actual act of child molestation. We are talking about the image, footage, porno video of child molestation. So yes, it's comparable to image of murder, castration, beheading on ogrish.
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SycoShaman
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| Posted: Tue, 30th Aug 2005 01:29 Post subject: |
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| SceneLeader wrote: | | Quote: | | Commiting an act of rape on a child is not free speech and not freedom of expression and its not an opinion.... |
We aren't talking about the actual act of child molestation. We are talking about the image, footage, porno video of child molestation. So yes, it's comparable to image of murder, castration, beheading on ogrish. |
and these kids in the videos arent being raped? they are fuckin and takin it in the ass on their own accord? when their like 8 or 9 right? ....give ur head a shake and post something that makes sense man |
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| Posted: Tue, 30th Aug 2005 01:49 Post subject: |
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| SycoShaman wrote: | | SceneLeader wrote: | | Quote: | | Commiting an act of rape on a child is not free speech and not freedom of expression and its not an opinion.... |
We aren't talking about the actual act of child molestation. We are talking about the image, footage, porno video of child molestation. So yes, it's comparable to image of murder, castration, beheading on ogrish. |
and these kids in the videos arent being raped? they are fuckin and takin it in the ass on their own accord? when their like 8 or 9 right? ....give ur head a shake and post something that makes sense man |
And these people in the ogrish videos aren't being murdered / being tortured / in pain? Good luck if someone close to you ends up with a video on ogrish being murdered so little 13 year old wankers can get some shits and giggles.
Honestly, I can't believe you are saying the whole watching child pornography is more morally wrong than watching some innocent man getting his head cut off. They are both as wrong as it can get so stop with the stupid debating. They are both sick as fuck...
If you say watching murder is reality then you need to sort your shit out... Child molestation goes on all the time, what makes that less reality than watching someone burn to death?
Have some respect for the dead...
Like someone said above, pedophilia is not child molestation. Just thought I'd point that out, I read a thread somewhere recently from a pedophile and his perspective, it was really interesting, the way he sees things, pretty fucked up. If a find it I will link it.
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SycoShaman
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| Posted: Tue, 30th Aug 2005 02:04 Post subject: |
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| Midget85--^ wrote: | | SycoShaman wrote: | | SceneLeader wrote: |
We aren't talking about the actual act of child molestation. We are talking about the image, footage, porno video of child molestation. So yes, it's comparable to image of murder, castration, beheading on ogrish. |
and these kids in the videos arent being raped? they are fuckin and takin it in the ass on their own accord? when their like 8 or 9 right? ....give ur head a shake and post something that makes sense man |
And these people in the ogrish videos aren't being murdered / being tortured / in pain? Good luck if someone close to you ends up with a video on ogrish being murdered so little 13 year old wankers can get some shits and giggles.
Honestly, I can't believe you are saying the whole watching child pornography is more morally wrong than watching some innocent man getting his head cut off. They are both as wrong as it can get so stop with the stupid debating. They are both sick as fuck...
If you say watching murder is reality then you need to sort your shit out... Child molestation goes on all the time, what makes that less reality than watching someone burn to death?
Have some respect for the dead...
Like someone said above, pedophilia is not child molestation. Just thought I'd point that out, I read a thread somewhere recently from a pedophile and his perspective, it was really interesting, the way he sees things, pretty fucked up. If a find it I will link it. |
U should have asked rather than assumed...let me clarify my positon for u.
If someone is being murdered or harmed in ANY fashion for the sake of making a movie, then I am totally with the censorship cause we dont need to encourage that type shit.
But, as far as im aware, these death vids are not set up...for instance, that one where the guy shot the other guy who raped his kid - its not like he set out with a camera to make the movie and all that. It happened to be filmed.
Where as kids involved in child porn, are deliberatly placed in that situation against their will...no child can condone an act of sex and the whole act is for the sole purpose of movie making/sick sexual gratification.
Now, if say there wasnt child porn, like an industry and shit, and someone happened to videotape a father raping is son lets say, and they used the video in court as evidence etc and orgish had that available, then, while still disgusting, i think its acceptable as it's a real, non scripted event and life is full of sick shit.
I hope u understand what I mean, i dunno if i am being clear.
I also apply my logic to rape (of an adult). Any adult (and there are some) who is forced into a sexual act for the sake of making a video and shit, that should be censored as well. But however, if say someone, a bystander videotaped a rape being commited or whatever and again it was used in a legal or news setting, then I think its justifible as to why someone would want to view it - personally I dont think the death vids or child porn is acceptable. My point is as far as I am aware Orgish has not shared or been involved in murderering or harming someone for the simple sake of making a video. Where as that is the aim of child porn - to tape it and sell it to other sick fucks....
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| Posted: Thu, 1st Sep 2005 16:40 Post subject: |
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just keep in mind that there are 2 issue's at stake here.
The reality issue, which makes people see reality, and yes even child porn is a real thing in the world (disgusting). Sites like ogrish show the realism factor of this and dont judge on the moral issue of the material brought to them. (normally they wouldnt) last time they judged on a very disgusting movie about animal murder. They promised 1000$ to find the identity of the people making the movie. So even a sick site as Ogrish has mechanism to find anonymous people doing sick stuff.
And the morality issue, which makes people dispise this stuff and think that censorship is a good idea to protect the public.
So in the end its a choice between seeing real stuff on the internet and the morality by dispising it. Those organisations who try to block ogrish.com do so, because they think that the morale issue has more value to the public then the reality factor. Trying to block a site like ogrish.com closes your eyes to reality, seeing real stuff like terrorists murdering civilians only makes me more angry and even more confident in trying to apprehend the people responsible for it.
So in the end, if i would be confronted by child porn, i for sure want to catch the people responsible for it. Trying to censorship everything only makes people believe we live in a happy-joy-joy world which isnt the case. Dont close your eyes to human nature!
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| Posted: Wed, 7th Sep 2005 11:11 Post subject: |
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both should not be censored, ogrish and child porn.
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Jenni
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| Posted: Wed, 7th Sep 2005 13:15 Post subject: |
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What the fuck!
To have child porn means theres a market for child abuse.
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SycoShaman
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| Posted: Wed, 7th Sep 2005 19:34 Post subject: |
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| Jenni wrote: | What the fuck!
To have child porn means theres a market for child abuse. |
Exactly my point |
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| Posted: Wed, 7th Sep 2005 22:58 Post subject: |
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and by censoring child porn, you will decrease that market? I don't think so, people who abuse child will abuse them anyway.
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