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LightningSS
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 Posted: Wed, 17th Aug 2011 07:54 Post subject: |
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| bringiton wrote: | Yeah, and what about the peoples that got no internet?  |
They won't enjoy these enhancements, that's all.
TWIN PEAKS is "something of a miracle."
"...like nothing else on television."
"a phenomenon."
"A tangled tale of sex, violence, power, junk food..."
"Like Nothing On Earth"
~ WHAT THEY'RE TRYING TO SAY CAN ONLY BE SEEN ~
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CHTUOgYNRzY |
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dsergei
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| Posted: Wed, 17th Aug 2011 08:02 Post subject: |
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I can already picture some people who are playing through the story acting like retards on purpose to annoy those who have to protect them. Or online fags trolling the single-player participants - "yeah, good luck getting through that level without support, buddy - we'll just chill here".
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| Posted: Wed, 17th Aug 2011 08:12 Post subject: |
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| bringiton wrote: | | Yeah, and what about the peoples that got no internet? |
ppl with no internet?
yeha. my grandma doesn't have internet. on the other hand, how interested do you think she is in SP games?
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| Posted: Wed, 17th Aug 2011 08:13 Post subject: |
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| dsergei wrote: |
I can already picture some people who are playing through the story acting like retards on purpose to annoy those who have to protect them. Or online fags trolling the single-player participants - "yeah, good luck getting through that level without support, buddy - we'll just chill here". |
These are practical issues with the implementation of the online enhancements. I don't have ready solutions for those, but they don't automatically make the whole idea useless.
TWIN PEAKS is "something of a miracle."
"...like nothing else on television."
"a phenomenon."
"A tangled tale of sex, violence, power, junk food..."
"Like Nothing On Earth"
~ WHAT THEY'RE TRYING TO SAY CAN ONLY BE SEEN ~
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CHTUOgYNRzY |
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dsergei
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| Posted: Wed, 17th Aug 2011 08:37 Post subject: |
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Don't get me wrong, I like the idea in general. Although I don't really see how this is different from objective-based scenarios that are quite popular in FPS's. I mean these can only be specific game missions because I doubt online players will want to replace most of the enemies in a single-player game.
I read a sc-fi book about virtual reality a long time ago where they had some kind of meta-game for all kinds of players. It was like a huge-scale wargame with players acting as commanders playing a strategy game, giving broad orders to tactical level officers who tried to complete them by bossing around infantry, armour and aircrafts all controlled by players directly. I can see many problems with this but I'd love to see something like this work.
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Freudian
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| Posted: Wed, 17th Aug 2011 09:05 Post subject: |
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I don't believe that I'm the only one that likes to play a game without A-holes I don't know. Yes, I like some multiplayer games and 1 MMO (Not WOW) and I play them a lot. But often I want to play something story driven without any interruption....
So, when a person predicts that every future game will have social elements, I'm thinking, "Did that person completely forget the joy of reading a good book, or watching a nice movie?"
"Sometimes when you do things right, people are not sure you've done anything at all." -- God (Futurama)
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| Posted: Wed, 17th Aug 2011 09:15 Post subject: |
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"Social elements" doesn't necessarily mean that you are playing multiplayer or online co-op. Or else they would simply call it.... multiplayer or online co-op. And fuck that shit, I hated the forced co-op in RE5 - that game should be designed around a strong SP campaign.
On the other hand this is an example of a AAA-rated game mentioned in the OP's article that already incorporated social features in its SP campaign: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demon%27s_Souls#Online
| Quote: | When connected to the PlayStation Network, online play is integrated into the single-player experience. Throughout levels, players can briefly see the actions of other players as ghosts in the same area that may show hidden passages or switches. When a player dies, a bloodstain can be left in other players' game world that when activated can show a ghost playing out their final moments, indicating how that person died and potentially helping the player avoid the same fate in advance. Players can also leave messages on the floor that can also help others such as forewarning safe or hostile positions, trap locations and tactics against enemies or bosses, among general comments.
When playing with other players, co-operative play allows up to three characters to team up in the host's game world where visiting players appear in soul form that can only be returned to their bodies when a boss is defeated. In competitive play, players can invade a player's adventure as a Black Phantom to engage in combat with the host player. If the Black Phantom kills the host, they can be returned to their body in their own game whereas if killed themselves, the host gains a portion of the Black Phantom's souls. |
I see a lot of potential in the hands of innovative game designers.
TWIN PEAKS is "something of a miracle."
"...like nothing else on television."
"a phenomenon."
"A tangled tale of sex, violence, power, junk food..."
"Like Nothing On Earth"
~ WHAT THEY'RE TRYING TO SAY CAN ONLY BE SEEN ~
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CHTUOgYNRzY
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| Posted: Wed, 17th Aug 2011 09:21 Post subject: |
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| LuckyStrike wrote: | Besides if i did, i was living to get other ppl attention, my satisfaction would come from theyr approval and my rage from theyr disaproval. I dont. Call me selfish, or i just like to have fun with myself.  |
this
approval of others and a state of normalcy is a natural need for most people
but that doesn't mean the activity should be encouraged
that is, but definition, an average experience
i don't care and DO NOT WANT anybody to even get the chance to comment on my playstyle
i also do not care what the game itself thinks of me or if i'm "playing it right"
it's much more challenging to set my own goals based on my mood at the time
like stay completely undetected in thief, or on a bad day knock out everyone and drown them in the pool
approval of others, be it friend or game designer, i think is cheap and should only be a reality check in case you need the relationship later
this is why games like deus ex are so great.. it only sets up a very loose framework to play in and the player makes his own rules and the game only comments on them, but does not judge (no mission failed)
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| Posted: Wed, 17th Aug 2011 09:34 Post subject: |
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| Hfric wrote: | i would say this
DEUS EX 3 has no online so
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False. As revealed in PC Gamer's review billboards ingame will stream ads from EMs servers. There's your online enhancements
And the game will transmit stats and data from your playthroughs to them, so don't think you are not interacting with them either 
TWIN PEAKS is "something of a miracle."
"...like nothing else on television."
"a phenomenon."
"A tangled tale of sex, violence, power, junk food..."
"Like Nothing On Earth"
~ WHAT THEY'RE TRYING TO SAY CAN ONLY BE SEEN ~
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CHTUOgYNRzY |
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ixigia
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| Posted: Mon, 25th Mar 2013 22:25 Post subject: |
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tonizito
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| Posted: Mon, 25th Mar 2013 22:28 Post subject: |
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Co-op is the new MP
And just as damaging to my beloved SP games 
| boundle (thoughts on cracking AITD) wrote: | | i guess thouth if without a legit key the installation was rolling back we are all fucking then |
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prudislav
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| Posted: Mon, 25th Mar 2013 22:36 Post subject: |
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| akwar wrote: | | There is a good majority of pc gamers that don't play online and have no ambition to.These idiots need to stop dictating what people are going to do. |
+1 Hate facebook-like nonsences too
If SP games dissapear in future ,I think I will just stop playing new games and will play the older ones (there is a ton of games i havent played yet)
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| Posted: Mon, 25th Mar 2013 22:41 Post subject: |
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I'd be okay with every game having Coop in the style of Doom 1 and 2 or Halo where it's not a seperate campaign and there's no benefit from playing coop besides playing the game with your friend. Even if it breaks the balance or causes silly shit, since that's part of the fun
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ixigia
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| Posted: Mon, 25th Mar 2013 22:47 Post subject: |
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| tonizito wrote: | Co-op is the new MP
And just as damaging to my beloved SP games |
Yeah, that's another big problem. The Bro-couch cancer is spreading faster day by day, and "horror" games apparently are its #1 target (since they're scary so they need to be played with a friend, hurr). Fortunately many first person shooters and RPGs (or what's left of them) are still bro-op free, but the next-nextgen and Kinect 2 are around the corner  |
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| Posted: Mon, 25th Mar 2013 22:58 Post subject: |
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I dont want any shitty leaderboards or social shit. Neither I want dlc or microtransattion. I dont want mp in every game or soo... FUck this. When I was a kid it was all simple. Buy game and play it as You want
Edit: actually I never play mp. I just dont want to and dont like. Besides little l4d2
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| Posted: Mon, 25th Mar 2013 23:20 Post subject: |
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games with a heavy story driven narrative will always be relevant. People still like watching movies, Facebook didn't change anything. This is a stupid tail wagging dog argument.
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| Posted: Mon, 25th Mar 2013 23:26 Post subject: |
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I guess the co-op craze is over and Ubishit was right - next up is the "hyperconnective" singleplayer. The PS4 presentation had a similar vibe, sharing gameplay, helping (annoying) other players, watching other people play live and comment on it (oh the social horror) and much more of this leaderboard crap. And in the long run - directly influence other people's gameplay. A positive side effect is that these "features" will help get rid of tacked on MP and forced co-op modes.
I'm sure publishers understand that some players do not want to socialize and turn off during gaming (in fact thats exactly the reason why many play videogames), not being interrupted by "5 headshots in a row? your friend did better! try to beat him!" but it is counterproductive from a marketing perspective.
Get a connected playerbase and they will make sure your game gets advertised on a mouth to mouth basis, group pressure will get more peers to buy the product etc. Its all free advertisement, using the consumers as willing vessels to spread propaganda about your product . And then one gets the DLC and everyone else gotta buy it too if they wanna keep up.
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| Posted: Tue, 26th Mar 2013 00:31 Post subject: |
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I've been playing video games since 1982 and I have always seen the single player game as something you sink your teeth into, a decent three course meal you can savor over.
Naturally multiplier games by their nature have a very social aspect to them. Cooperation and sharing is obviously a strong draw for the likes of WOW.
The problem I see from the likes of EA and so on is that the always on connected aspect of online delivery isn't about sharing your experience with your pals on Facebook, but about cynically driving DLC content and enhanced features that are paid for in small bite sized pieces. Suddenly the 60 dollar game becomes 260 dollars.
There seems to be this naive assumption that granddad's like myself will die out and not be relevant, but this also assumes that young pups are gullably stupid and just don't care their being fleeced.
Skyrim, Dishonored, Tomb Raider even DS3 and upcoming titles such as Rome 2 Total War tell me EA and thoses that think like them can kiss my ass.
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| Posted: Tue, 26th Mar 2013 02:13 Post subject: |
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meh the day im forced to socialize with the fuckheads i actively try to avoid is the day i turn off the computer for good
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Frant1c
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chiv
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| Posted: Tue, 26th Mar 2013 03:54 Post subject: |
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fucks sake, this is like saying "movies and books will eventually die out, as will home TVs and be replaced by interactive communal plays and communal tv locations, because no one likes experiencing a story by themselves".
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| Posted: Tue, 26th Mar 2013 06:06 Post subject: |
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Ya, this is the equivalent of saying no one will watch a movie by themselves anymore due to the overpopulation of earth.
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noflip
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