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sausje
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Go test yourself, 2GB for ultra is maybe BARELY enough, if not even too less once you get further into the levels.
http://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/bioshock_infinite_graphics_performance_review_benchmark,8.html
2GB is risky, if you wanna go cheap and risky, take 2GB. If you can wait a little longer and save up that few extra $/€ and not have to worry about vram shortage any time soon, then do that.
Just remember your pain in the ass 1GB when you make the call 
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| Posted: Wed, 3rd Apr 2013 02:45 Post subject: |
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you have found sharp textures in Crysis 3? tell me where, I had all settings cranked to max and viewed from up close 95% of the textures looked like Nintendo 64
I played MaldoHD Crysis 2 only weeks before and there it was possible to count single pebbles and cracks in the asphalt when viewed through the visor.
in Crysis 3 everything starts to get muddy in zoom, its almost as bad as Rage
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sausje
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| Posted: Wed, 3rd Apr 2013 02:53 Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | Once you increase the quality settings towards Ultra mode you start to reach a turning point where the game almost hits 2 GB of graphics memory. The measurement shown above is fairly similar and applicable for 1920x1080/1200 and 2560x1600. Now not everywhere in the game that much graphics memory is used, but there are some critical points in-game where you will reach or even pass the 2GB in combination with the highest quality modes. If you'd apply an exclusive AA mode like MSAA though graphics card drivers, we have no doubt you'll breach the 2GB threshold. So be careful with that. |
From that article, you can throw all the numbers you want, but tbh, i trust guru3d more then your judgement on these things 
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| Posted: Wed, 3rd Apr 2013 09:21 Post subject: |
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what a load of horse shit.
bioshock stutters are a game bug/issue whatever. you can set lowest settings and they will still be there. people with 4gb cards have them.
also regarding your link, it just shows memory usage, doesn't have any proof whatsoever that 4gb cards run bioshock better than 2gb cards in any way.
guess what, i have a 2gb card, according to msi afterburner during bioshock i maxed out my 2gb vram multiple times, guess what happened? exactly nothing. game was still silky smooth.
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| Posted: Wed, 3rd Apr 2013 09:30 Post subject: |
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yes people with 4gb or 6gb vram still have stuttering problems it has nothing to do with vram.
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sausje
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| Posted: Wed, 3rd Apr 2013 10:16 Post subject: |
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| Intel_NVIDIA wrote: | what a load of horse shit.
bioshock stutters are a game bug/issue whatever. you can set lowest settings and they will still be there. people with 4gb cards have them. |
I didn't had stuttering after some config settings, only when the level streamed in at some area's, but during the gameplay itself (during combat etc.) i NEVER had any stuttering.
That's the engine, nothing anyone can do something about.
| Intel_NVIDIA wrote: |
also regarding your link, it just shows memory usage, doesn't have any proof whatsoever that 4gb cards run bioshock better than 2gb cards in any way. |
I never claimed they did, so please quote me on that, because as usual, you are putting words in my mouth that i never said.
| Intel_NVIDIA wrote: | | guess what, i have a 2gb card, according to msi afterburner during bioshock i maxed out my 2gb vram multiple times, guess what happened? exactly nothing. game was still silky smooth. |
Yeah something i take your word on mr "INTEL_NVIDIA" 
You call a website that is known to be trust worthy, horseshit, but expect people to trust you on your word after shown time after time to be completely biased about certain things.
When i was fiddleing with settings, and reached my 1gb, it started stuttering. So unless you can PROOF, i call big horseshit on that.
Now shoo, mr biased opinion
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sausje
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| Posted: Wed, 3rd Apr 2013 10:59 Post subject: |
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Once again you only reply to that what suits you the most to give the most retarded comment on, but the other statements you made and i dismissed you completely ignore now again as usual
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sausje
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| Posted: Wed, 3rd Apr 2013 11:32 Post subject: |
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| Intel_NVIDIA wrote: | | you failed to provide any evidence to support your claim that bioshock runs faster on 4gb video cards. |
Once more you fail to read properly and post your bullshit.
And yes, i know your not a nvidia rep (hell someone that thinks and speaks like you do would get fired quickly ), but you registering with that name and STAYING with it, even tho it's been said dozens of times that you have the option to change it, says more then enough about you.
I NEVER, and I repeat, NEVER said that Bioshock will run better on a 4GB card, NEVER EVER EVER.
Just like i said that in the post above, yet you fail to read that, then put words in people their mouth that they didn't say, just so you can reply with bullshit again
Now shoo
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sausje
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| Posted: Wed, 3rd Apr 2013 11:45 Post subject: |
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| Intel_NVIDIA wrote: | you are just a soar loser with multiple scapegoating techniques who's afraid to be wrong.
no, you didn't directly say that 4gb card run bioshock better, but you made multiple posts hinting that, for example:
| sausje wrote: | | You gonna get framedrops and stuttering max when using ultra textures and ultra shadows, even on 1080p it goes above 2GB vram usage |
and i'm not the only one disagreeing with you, other people did too. cmon dude, just accept you were wrong and let's be done with it. |
How is saying that, saying the same as that a 4GB card runs it better? 
Both those things are true, be it on a 2GB card or 4GB, i NEVER claimed that it wouldn't on a 4GB, that's what YOU imply from it. So don't blame me for your lack of understanding forum posts
See how your twisted imagination places words that others didn't say, just so you can rant with your bullshit.
I even said that TB on his 2x Titan (wich has 6GB) has those issues, yet once again you didn't quote that, since it doesn't suit your imagination and bullshit comments
| sausje wrote: | | Hell, even TB had issues with stuttering and massive framedrops and he's running 2x Titan cards.. |
And there you go, can't get more clear then this that you just bullshit comment half the time and only picks out parts of comments that suit your bullshit comment the most.
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sausje
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| Posted: Wed, 3rd Apr 2013 11:59 Post subject: |
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| Intel_NVIDIA wrote: | | sausje wrote: | | I even said that TB on his 2x Titan (wich has 6GB) has those issues, yet once again you didn't quote that, since it doesn't suit your imagination and bullshit comments |
that's just proves my point your posts are horse shit. in one line your write that 2gb vram isn't enough and you'll get frame drops, in another line you write, "oh, but you also get framedrops with 6gb vram" i didn't quote it because i wanted to spare you embarrassment. |
Once more i never said that. 
I said "You gonna get framedrops and stuttering max when using ultra textures and ultra shadows" then comes a COMMA "even on 1080p it goes above 2GB vram usage"
Both statements are true and NONE of those said that the stuttering had anything to do with vram usage.
I was just stating facts about what the game does, no matter what card you have.
You YOURSELF imply it as something totally different, not my fault.
Now piss off and stop putting words i never said in my mouth.
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| Posted: Wed, 3rd Apr 2013 12:07 Post subject: |
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Did you know that game can use more VRAM than it even needs to? It´s called caching, which is whole different thing than actual VRAM usage which is hard to measure. Sausje just cannot admit that hes wrong, only Titan with 6GB VRAM is now valid choice @ 720p since hes 1GB cards arent anymore enough.
This thread turned to unbeliavable wank fest.
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sausje
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| Posted: Wed, 3rd Apr 2013 12:15 Post subject: |
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WRONG WITH WHAT, SPEAK THE FUCK UP?!
I NEVER CLAIMED THAT 4GB WAS BETTER THEN 2GB, I ONLY AND ONLY STATED THAT BIOSHOCK CAN GO ABOVE 2GB, EVEN ON 1080P.
Now both stop putting fucking words in my mouth that i didn't say and piss the fuck off.
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| Posted: Wed, 3rd Apr 2013 12:28 Post subject: |
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I had zero issues running Infinite with maxed out settings @ 1920*1200 on my vanilla 680. Getting a 4GB 680 is worthless unless you are running higher resolutions.
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| Posted: Wed, 3rd Apr 2013 12:31 Post subject: |
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All that need to be known is that 2GB of VRAM on current Kepler cards is more then enough unless you are running multi-GPU and are running a much higher resolution then 1080p.
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| Posted: Wed, 3rd Apr 2013 12:31 Post subject: |
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Every game can go beyond 2GB. BF3 can as well. Read Breezer's comment, he's right.
It's the exact same thing with Windows 7; stuff in 16 GB of RAM and it'll happily use 12GB. Stick in just 1GB and it still works mighty fine, not even using that 1GB up.
Oh, and as far as Guru3D goes: not a trustworthy site by any means. And please, before either of you replies, go back and compare some reviews that were made within weeks of each other. Supposedly the same hardware and drivers, yet dramatically different performance/thermals/acoustics for the same card all of a sudden. Hilbert does some good articles now and then, but when it comes to reviews his process is it not particularly sound.
Is 2GB enough? Yeah, for now. Will 4GB help in the not-too-distant future? Yes, because with the PS4's release we'll finally be getting the textures we've been craving on the PC. And guess what better textures need.
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| Posted: Wed, 3rd Apr 2013 12:33 Post subject: |
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| Werelds wrote: | Every game can go beyond 2GB. BF3 can as well. Read Breezer's comment, he's right.
It's the exact same thing with Windows 7; stuff in 16 GB of RAM and it'll happily use 12GB. Stick in just 1GB and it still works mighty fine, not even using that 1GB up.
Oh, and as far as Guru3D goes: not a trustworthy site by any means. And please, before either of you replies, go back and compare some reviews that were made within weeks of each other. Supposedly the same hardware and drivers, yet dramatically different performance/thermals/acoustics for the same card all of a sudden. Hilbert does some good articles now and then, but when it comes to reviews his process is it not particularly sound.
Is 2GB enough? Yeah, for now. Will 4GB help in the not-too-distant future? Yes, because with the PS4's release we'll finally be getting the textures we've been craving on the PC. And guess what better textures need. |
Most will be upgrading from whatever they buy now anyways once those games you mention start coming out. So buying for the 'future' is irrelevant.
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sausje
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| Posted: Wed, 3rd Apr 2013 13:07 Post subject: |
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| Werelds wrote: | | Oh, and as far as Guru3D goes: not a trustworthy site by any means. And please, before either of you replies, go back and compare some reviews that were made within weeks of each other. Supposedly the same hardware and drivers, yet dramatically different performance/thermals/acoustics for the same card all of a sudden. Hilbert does some good articles now and then, but when it comes to reviews his process is it not particularly sound. |
IMO it's more trustworthy then most sites out there
Maybe not enough compared to whatever you are using, but certainly high above most others.
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| Posted: Wed, 3rd Apr 2013 13:51 Post subject: |
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| Mchart wrote: | | Most will be upgrading from whatever they buy now anyways once those games you mention start coming out. So buying for the 'future' is irrelevant. |
No, most won't be. That's kind of the point. There's tons of people on the hump who are still on PCs from 4-5 years ago simply because they don't have the cash. Us power users will upgrade, but Newty doesn't upgrade every year either for example.
And before anyone goes "LOLOL WHEN YOU NEED 2+GB IT WON'T BE ABLE TO RUN IT ANYWAY" - true, at least when it comes to Kepler. Nvidia made the decision to starve the damn thing of bandwidth, so yeah, a 4GB 680 probably will struggle to fill that if it has to. A 7970 on the other hand will have no issues filling its 3GB. For that exact same reason you see that with higher resolutions Kepler gets hit harder and harder.
| sausje wrote: | IMO it's more trustworthy then most sites out there
Maybe not enough compared to whatever you are using, but certainly high above most others. |
More trustworthy than what? Legitreviews? Hardwarecanucks? Tweakers.net? 
Sure, but I prefer sound testing procedures. X-Bit, ComputerBase, TechReport and even Anandtech (as flawed as some of their choices are, their procedure is at least sound and consistent). |
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sausje
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| Posted: Wed, 3rd Apr 2013 14:10 Post subject: |
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| Werelds wrote: | | sausje wrote: | IMO it's more trustworthy then most sites out there
Maybe not enough compared to whatever you are using, but certainly high above most others. |
More trustworthy than what? Legitreviews? Hardwarecanucks? Tweakers.net?
Sure, but I prefer sound testing procedures. X-Bit, ComputerBase, TechReport and even Anandtech (as flawed as some of their choices are, their procedure is at least sound and consistent). |
The usual sites that are being linked here, rarely are those you mentioned being linked here compared to the others
And especially more trustworthy then some stupid comments from someone like INTEL_NVIDIA as name that likes to put words in people's mouth and then elaborate some random bullshit on it
But it's in everyone's own opinion i guess, friend of mine fully trusts HW.info for example, while i think that site is laughable
Anyway, my point was that the game even sometimes breaks the 2GB on 1080p, and that getting a 4GB now over that 2GB would prolly be smarter, and NOT JUST FOR THAT REASON BEFORE OTHERS START RAGING AGAIN AT ME FOR THINGS I DIDN'T SAY.
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| Posted: Wed, 3rd Apr 2013 14:11 Post subject: |
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| Posted: Wed, 3rd Apr 2013 14:46 Post subject: |
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| sausje wrote: | | Werelds wrote: | | sausje wrote: | IMO it's more trustworthy then most sites out there
Maybe not enough compared to whatever you are using, but certainly high above most others. |
More trustworthy than what? Legitreviews? Hardwarecanucks? Tweakers.net?
Sure, but I prefer sound testing procedures. X-Bit, ComputerBase, TechReport and even Anandtech (as flawed as some of their choices are, their procedure is at least sound and consistent). |
The usual sites that are being linked here, rarely are those you mentioned being linked here compared to the others
And especially more trustworthy then some stupid comments from someone like INTEL_NVIDIA as name that likes to put words in people's mouth and then elaborate some random bullshit on it
But it's in everyone's own opinion i guess, friend of mine fully trusts HW.info for example, while i think that site is laughable
Anyway, my point was that the game even sometimes breaks the 2GB on 1080p, and that getting a 4GB now over that 2GB would prolly be smarter, and NOT JUST FOR THAT REASON BEFORE OTHERS START RAGING AGAIN AT ME FOR THINGS I DIDN'T SAY. |
Like i said, game can cache more VRAM than needed which is different from actual VRAM usage... Not a single issue on brothers 660ti @ 1080p and Ultra settings.
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| Posted: Thu, 4th Apr 2013 13:16 Post subject: |
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Buying a 2GB card today.. not a good choice.
TWIN PEAKS is "something of a miracle."
"...like nothing else on television."
"a phenomenon."
"A tangled tale of sex, violence, power, junk food..."
"Like Nothing On Earth"
~ WHAT THEY'RE TRYING TO SAY CAN ONLY BE SEEN ~
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CHTUOgYNRzY
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| Posted: Thu, 4th Apr 2013 13:25 Post subject: |
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| consolitis wrote: | | Buying a 2GB card today.. not a good choice. |
Can you present us with an objective benchmark @ 1080p resolution supporting this claim?
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