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StarSpeak
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Who told you 6 months? Sounds optimistic to me.
piracy isn't a hobby, it's a way of life
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tonizito
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| Posted: Fri, 5th Apr 2013 22:55 Post subject: |
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| StarSpeak wrote: | | Who told you 6 months? Sounds optimistic to me. |
Yep, seems like a bunch of shit.
You'll be better off ignoring crap like that.
| boundle (thoughts on cracking AITD) wrote: | | i guess thouth if without a legit key the installation was rolling back we are all fucking then |
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Przepraszam
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| Posted: Sat, 6th Apr 2013 06:00 Post subject: |
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It's what I have read from time to time in Wall Street Journal and sometimes in Bloomberg BusinessWeek. I don't really pay attention to WSJ that much but BusinessWeek has a lot of interesting article each week.
Who knows if it true or that. I decide to try a different tactic and so far I got that one interview. In past 2-3 weeks, I have sent about 40-60 resumes to companies that don't really hire anyone right now. Just generic email with "Entry Level Position" and write two sentences about myself with attached resume.
Maybe, I will get lucky eventually and I hope that I do.!
I just hope that I will not get really demotivated or depressed :\. It's really quite start getting to me shrug..
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StarSpeak
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| Posted: Sat, 6th Apr 2013 19:58 Post subject: |
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yea, it's such a drag. The "carpet bombing" tactic doesn't seem to work too well - the only jobs I ever got were 1) through the university's recruiting center (where the companies come on campus to conduct interviews directly), and 2) through family connections. Never got anywhere just sending apps to everyone who had a position open - I'm just another resume in a knee-high pile they have by the end.
What's interesting is I've heard the 'engineers are in big demand' line myself, quite recently. Perhaps it's a specific type of engineer only... not sure. Anyway.. you may have a little luck if you apply to companies in latin/south america. You may have an advantage in that case, since your education would be perceived as superior. Good luck and keep it up!
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Przepraszam
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| Posted: Thu, 11th Apr 2013 22:06 Post subject: |
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I still have not heard from them since the interview on Friday. I doubt that, I will be hearing from them.
But good news, I just got call for an interview tomorrow at 11A.M to a different company! I was surprised actually, some unknown number is calling me!
Wish me luck! Let's hope this is the one!
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spankie
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| Posted: Thu, 11th Apr 2013 22:40 Post subject: |
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Same here! Been mass mailing resumes around. Only been on couple of interviews. Some are good, some are bad. Still don't get the recruiting process. Last week I applied as a quantitative risk modelling analyst at a bank and the recruiter in front of me was a 22year old theater graduate, yeah I looked her up on LinkedIn. And those are the people that assess whether your coding skills or math skills are top notch or not. She asked me questions like 'do you know something about simulation techniques MatLab (programming language)?' So I give a brief explanation of what I can do and she clearly had noooooooooooooooooooooo clue what I was talking about.
Half of the time I am even really offended by the shit they let me do. I've had companies let me 'discuss' a graph or let me 'calculate' super obvious stuff like 'what's 30% of 80?' I mean, what planet are those recruiters living on? Do they really think I got an engineering degree, apply for a quant analyst function but cannot do basic math? I know I just have to bend over and take it, but I cannot hide my annoyance when they are wasting my time. I travel 2h, spend 30-50 EUR on fuel and public transport, basically waste a whole day of holiday I have to take to be assessed really crappy.
Some interviews are high level stuff, discussion on previous experiences, really looking for a match, trying to find a good position. One company I mailed my resume, 2h later I got a real personal reply email and they explained me I will be assess by two senior people of the actual department, no recruiting crap here (and it's a >500person company). Furthermore, I have to prepare a 30 min presentation on my skills, previous experience, and some project examples.
The pattern is clear: banking and consulting, all a bunch of semi-retarded twats that think they are smart (I mean, does anyone fail at calculating percentages??). Life science and research in general: content rather than package. Interesting conversations on recruitiment days. Also 1-2 interviews, rather than 5-9 interviews with a bunch of moron recruiters. No wonder all those banks went bankrupt.
If I don't find anything interesting next few weeks, I'll start using my network, a thing which I would really find disappointing. Just imagine you come from a family which is active in a completely different branch or have friends that do other stuff, how the fuck can you find a decent job?
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spankie
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That's just bad background screening on the side of HR dep. What are those guys paid for? Just Google the fucking name and you find professional references. Google my name and you find articles I wrote, my thesises, links to my current employer etc. I am assuming that being part of the academic staff and teaching at the department of mathematics and informatics at a university (for more than four years) should be enough to convince people I can multiply...
But even then, percentages?? I am not exaggerating!
This week, I had to interview some Russian guy myself, and his CV looked really dodgy and I couldn't find anything on his stated experience on the interwebz. And indeed, he was dodgy, but I am quite sure calculating percentages wouldnt have been challenging for him.
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| Posted: Fri, 12th Apr 2013 01:59 Post subject: |
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buddy of mine applied for junior position.... talked to girl at HR , talked to HQ manager in berlin , talked to CEO in cali , then HQ manager in berlin again over the course of a few weeks.... he really wants the job but its like they are hiring new CEO for microsoft or something.
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TheSaint
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| Posted: Fri, 12th Apr 2013 08:42 Post subject: |
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How does your resume look after you have made it with indesign? Im curious. I have been going to interviews the last 5 months with the top tier law firms here in the netherlands, pretty hard to get it!
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Przepraszam
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| Posted: Fri, 12th Apr 2013 19:02 Post subject: |
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I have a positive feeling about this one. Small company, about 10 people. They will let me know within two days if I get the job or not. Interview was great, one of the guys said "We know that you do not know shit about this but we still consider you". I mean, it's the true, what they are teaching at college in reality is different from real world.
I hope this is the one! But tonight, I celebrate the interviews with beers, even if I did not get this job, there will be next ones 
My first interview was really crap, they did not knew what they were during. Put me in like 5m by 5m room and asked me some retarded questions.
I have never dealt with HR at any of those companies. I either spoke to secretary to arrange interview or Boss of company called me himself.
I guess it's different for very large corporations like 100 employees, or more. For small companies like I had interview today, about 15 people, Boss called me yesterday to come in for an interview.
I don't think that I could stand someone from HR department that have absolutely no idea what position I am applying for or what exactly I will be doing.
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| Posted: Fri, 12th Apr 2013 19:55 Post subject: |
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| tainted4ever wrote: | | Quote: | | Half of the time I am even really offended by the shit they let me do. I've had companies let me 'discuss' a graph or let me 'calculate' super obvious stuff like 'what's 30% of 80?' I mean, what planet are those recruiters living on? Do they really think I got an engineering degree, apply for a quant analyst function but cannot do basic math? |
Yes! I get to interview people at work for the past couple of weeks. You wouldn't believe the number of candidates we get who say they have "10+ years with C++" who cannot code fizzbuzz. Had one guy yesterday who said he had 10+ years programming experience who didn't know how to write a for loop  |
 you learn a for loop like the second day of c++, maybe he was sick that day |
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| Posted: Fri, 12th Apr 2013 19:59 Post subject: |
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| Przepraszam wrote: | | I have a positive feeling about this one. Small company, about 10 people. They will let me know within two days if I get the job or not. Interview was great, one of the guys said "We know that you do not know shit about this but we still consider you". I mean, it's the true, what they are teaching at college in reality is different from real world. |
It usually is, colleges are slow to update themselves. That's why they recommend you get some job in the exactly same field you are studying while you're a student but that's a bitch on your free time. |
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Przepraszam
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| Posted: Fri, 12th Apr 2013 20:06 Post subject: |
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| madmax17 wrote: | | It usually is, colleges are slow to update themselves. That's why they recommend you get some job in the exactly same field you are studying while you're a student but that's a bitch on your free time. |
Like fuck that, I will work probably until I'm 70. During my college days, I only worked month or two. But still, I traveled to Poland each summer, took all 18 credits which means 6-7 courses and that's quite a lot of average student.
But If I had to do it all over again? I would probably look for internship while still being student in college, but fuck that. College is all about living your best days while still being young. |
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Przepraszam
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| Posted: Fri, 12th Apr 2013 22:09 Post subject: |
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They just sent me an offer via email but pay is really really weak, I mean it's really weak.
But I will probably accept it. I have been 4 months now looking for a job and yea, one plus from this is that I will be doing exactly what I have studied at school.
I will work there for 1-2 years, get as much experience and jump the ship.
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garus
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Przepraszam
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| Posted: Fri, 12th Apr 2013 22:15 Post subject: |
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| garus wrote: | | What is considered weak? |
$30K/Year |
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garus
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tonizito
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| Posted: Fri, 12th Apr 2013 22:20 Post subject: |
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| Przepraszam wrote: | They just sent me an offer via email but pay is really really weak, I mean it's really weak.
But I will probably accept it. I have been 4 months now looking for a job and yea, one plus from this is that I will be doing exactly what I have studied at school.
I will work there for 1-2 years, get as much experience and jump the ship. |
Take it.
I can only dream of having such an offer when I finished my degree ~5 years back 
| boundle (thoughts on cracking AITD) wrote: | | i guess thouth if without a legit key the installation was rolling back we are all fucking then |
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Przepraszam
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| Posted: Fri, 12th Apr 2013 22:24 Post subject: |
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| garus wrote: | | Przepraszam wrote: | | garus wrote: | | What is considered weak? |
$30K/Year |
And how much does it take to support yourself per month? Food, apartment etc. |
0$. We own a house, but monthly mortgage is really slow. I don't think my mother is going to ask me to pay rent or is She?
I'm just quite content with the pay, considering that I spent so much shit time in college getting that degree, would be worth something but I guess with no experience, can't get any better....
I will send them an email accepting the offer tomorrow, today is day to celebrate! |
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$30K/Year in Poland for a freshly out of school rookie is considered really really weak? hmm
i'm pretty sure that's way way way higher than avg salary there...
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Przepraszam
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| Posted: Fri, 12th Apr 2013 22:30 Post subject: |
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| rgb#000 wrote: | $30K/Year in Poland for a freshly out of school rookie is considered really really weak? hmm
i'm pretty sure that's way way way higher than avg salary there... |
Not sure if you read entire topic, but currently I am living New York City. Where average salary is around 60K/year and two of my buddies got lucky and get 56K/year, but most of them are still unemployed, even after graduation last May. |
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ok so change your profile since your location most definitely is not Poland. that's very confusing
anyway, you should be very glad you got a job. you are young, you will gain experience and will get a better job later, especially if you don't need to pay for housing yet.
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Bigperm
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| Posted: Fri, 12th Apr 2013 22:42 Post subject: |
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Congrats. I started @ 40K a year out of university. So 30K isn't that bad at all.
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| Posted: Fri, 12th Apr 2013 22:42 Post subject: |
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Grats poland ball <3
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garus
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ixigia
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| Posted: Sat, 13th Apr 2013 01:18 Post subject: |
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30k/year is almost twice the salary of a freshly graduate engineer here (at least for the first year), so you can imagine what would be my suggestion xD
You don't even have annoying rents/taxes/wives to pay/sustain so congrats! 
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BLaM!
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| Posted: Sat, 13th Apr 2013 19:38 Post subject: |
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I don't know how I missed this thread , good luck mate..it's a good start , be happy ! 
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| Posted: Sat, 13th Apr 2013 22:46 Post subject: |
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Sometimes you just have to look at the opportunity rather than the money.
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