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LeoNatan
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 Posted: Mon, 15th Apr 2013 21:26 Post subject: Panasonic 20" 4K res tablet |
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| Posted: Mon, 15th Apr 2013 22:28 Post subject: |
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But fucking 4K resolution on a 20 monitor!!!
I'd love to have that on my 27"! 
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| Posted: Mon, 15th Apr 2013 23:09 Post subject: |
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| Posted: Mon, 15th Apr 2013 23:51 Post subject: |
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| Posted: Tue, 16th Apr 2013 00:26 Post subject: |
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Good thing you didn't read a word he said then. Fuck off already.
Come on Eizo and Dell, do this on 24-27" already.
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| Posted: Tue, 16th Apr 2013 00:34 Post subject: |
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| LeoNatan wrote: | This is obviously not out to replace iPads or Nexus or whatever small tablet you have.
This is an IPS very high DPI display, most suited for professionals. Imagine using a pen and drawing on that thing, or editing a huge photo in Photoshop, or editing video. You durrpadurrs can't seem to take your heards our of your small-scale ass and puny "hurrdurr lets surf teh internets on cheap China android" needs and see the potential here.
It also has much more interesting implications for you small-scale durrs. It means that high-DPI is spreading out of the 11" and down screen market to larger displays. This means there are production lines for these. So in a few years, we will have 8K 27".
The only derps are those who can't pull their heads of their asses and constrain technology to only what they see useful.  |
But the difference is I cant see any professional design dept handing out these tablets and going "here you go, now you can do your editing on tabletz!"
Maybe down the road the the power is there to match the res, I cant see any tablet like that managing actual full high res multiple raw image in photoshop pushing them to quark or indesign without slowing to a crawl. Or someone trying to put together something in indesign as a multi raw image layout using it. Most Macs and PC's hit their 'fluid usage' limit trying that for magazine ads. If this tablet can do what they cant..then bring it on 
More novelty than anything. maybe hobby photographers that want the res and got the money, or artist that want to draw thing as they wander around in 4k glory. perhaps hobby publishers or freelance content design..but not a business.
I cant think of one magazine, or print paper media ad art dept we work with, that wouldn't bring that little thing to its knees trying to use it for the res it offers.
Think they re jumping the gun on the visual display, without the hardware power to push it well for what they claim the target audience its aimed at.
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Resolution isn't really a problem, or at least shouldn't. This thing will like have an i5 with a 4000, which is enough for Photoshop's HW acceleration needs. Most editing would be limited by the CPU, but that would be limiting with a large resolution as much as with a low resolution. This being so big, they can put an i7 in there, and then it's as strong as a MacBook Pro, and that is enough for even 36MP 16-bit raws.
I said professional before, but let me correct myself: pro-am. No, Michael Kahn won't edit the next Spielberg on this. But someone with 30GBs of 1080p material can edit their material on it with ease.
Drawing and painting on the iPad is already great fun. But it is overly imprecise, even with a "stylus". But take an input pen with this thing, and just imagine the possibilities.
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Regarding UI performance in high-res, this is an issue on the Mac but not on Windows. On the MBP, Windows runs very fast, while OS X struggles and stutters. They are, for some reason, limited by CPU, which should not be the case. A lot of improvement headroom. In ways, the Cocoa Touch implementation of UI rendering is much more efficient than Cocoa.
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| Posted: Tue, 16th Apr 2013 00:51 Post subject: |
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Oh I'm not saying its isn't a great leap in the design and res area. And pushing tech is always a good thing.
Just think with the price it will probably have, and the target market they are shooting for. they wont get as many sales as they think. Not many editors want yet another device in the chain of putting together ads unless it replaces more than 1 already.
Not many businesses that deal with photos that size for any publishing will want to import to tablet, edit, then export to mac/pc server to bring into indesign (Maybe its got the horsepower to run both in realtime linked but it would have to be a beast). they would just do it all on the mac/pc.
ID say if they target it more for the the photo/art enthusiast, or the freelance on the go photographers instead of shooting high for the big business world, they would get more exposer and usage.
Its a great peice of hardware, And impressive, was more talking about who they seem to be doing the push towards as its consumer..not the device itself.
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| Posted: Tue, 16th Apr 2013 08:03 Post subject: |
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Looks nice, but what's the pen pressure on this one? Because you already have Cintiq's for professional use. Granted, the resolution is insane in this one, but if you have a crappy responding pen, no one will use it as they use Cintiq...
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| Posted: Tue, 16th Apr 2013 09:59 Post subject: |
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| LeoNatan wrote: | | Drawing and painting on the iPad is already great fun. But it is overly imprecise, even with a "stylus". But take an input pen with this thing, and just imagine the possibilities. |
Display resolution alone does not improve touch precision, hope you weren't implying that? For that the capacitive layer needs a higher "resolution" of its own. Often that's the case, but not always.
And like Leo says, we already have the hardware to deal with 4K just fine. Intel's HD4K ( ) will struggle to push that many pixels at times, but add a simple GT620M or Haswell and that goes away. From there everything's gonna be constrained by CPU/RAM and/or I/O - assuming Windows that is, because OS X needs some serious work done before Apple could pull something like this off.
There's also a lot of reasons why OS X would lag on this, but iOS wouldn't. For starters OS X's disk scheduler is shit, it's not only slow but it also eats more resources than it should (CPU scheduler also isn't as efficient as it could be, but that partially ties into the I/O overhead). Next, the GPU and CPU management in iOS is much simpler because the OS has no real multi tasking capability. In OS X your GPU spends an awful lot of time on idle clocks; it's much the same issue as with Adaptive V-Sync or "Boost" on all the new GPUs really. The OS limits framerate and clocks the GPU down when nothing is going on, but then when you do something as simple as scrolling it can lag. Just like the technologies mentioned it just reacts after the fact, which is good for battery life but crap for performance. For your Air and my MBP it's not an issue really, but for the retina ones it is awful. And when you look at some of the ways people can fix parts of it...
In fact, right now I don't think anything other than Windows is capable of driving such a device efficiently yet with actual productive applications. |
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