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SycoShaman
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| tjuma wrote: | | SycoShaman wrote: |
Yet they charge for that same thing at newzbin....how is that not a scam |
i fail to see how that is a scam,
they provide a well structured, sorted and edited interface to create nzb-files
in a way that no free service provides...
imagine the following scenario:
i want to watch a movie tonight, i've no idea which one.
i browse their movie section, "hmm that movie looks interesting",
someone posted a comment on that post "movie has hardcoded dutch subs", bleh.
onto the next movie, i view the nfo file: dvdrip, and click the imdb link: nice score
i save the nzb file, mail it to my "download-box", the download starts,
1h later the movie is automatically verified, repaired and extracted
i'm ready to switch on my xbox and watch it
now i could have downloaded it by searching for the files on the free sites,
but i've no idea what to search for in the first place
i could have found the movie by crawling through the groups manually,
downloading headers, reading the follow up comments,
but that's just tedious
i pay for that "luxury" and my own laziness,
3 months for the price of a pack of cigarettes
a scam is for me, if i get nothing for my money.
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Dude, ur missing my point. If i offer the SAME service for free that my buddy charges for, why wouldnt u pay for it when u can get it free? from numerous sources and more accurate sources and newzbin is updated and such by user's where as usenet spider and binnews are more staff oriented, where they have certain ppl who report on the binaries.
Dude its isnt hard to find something on usenet...seriously, if u need to use a search, how can u not know what to search for? I dont understand ur comment there. Like, if I wanna check to see if say Madden 06 has been posted anywhere, without going through the groups manually, I jump on google and type in Madden 06 which brings up a list.
Now say Madden 06 is posted in alt.b.whatever
Not only do I get the group where my game is, I also get EACH file listed for me FOR FREE and the time it was posted at and the size FOR FREE. Like madden06.rar, madden06.r01 etc etc
Newzbin however charges u for this service...to actually see the individual file names...wtf is that? they are just tryin to make a quick buck.
Pay for their service all u want, but it still doesnt mean I dont get the exact, if not better service from free websites...u may want to consider paying them to do jack shit? or tings others do for free...really, would u take the free baseball tickets or the ones u have to pay for and they are th exact same seats?
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SycoShaman
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| Posted: Thu, 1st Sep 2005 04:03 Post subject: |
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| tjuma wrote: | | SycoShaman wrote: |
Dude its isnt hard to find something on usenet...seriously, if u need to use a search, how can u not know what to search for? |
thats my point i dont want to use any filesearch
i want to check what is posted without manually crawling groups
& updating headers
i dont want to bother decrypting/figuring out descriptions like
"Alter Wed SVCD cd1.mpg.001"
i want to filter the german movies with a click
i don't want to visit forums/sites to figure out the password for encrypted shit
i pay newzbin and their editors to do that for me
but it's ok we both made up our minds already
and that discussion leads to nothing  |
nono man, i gotta make u see the light for real
| Quote: | i want to check what is posted without manually crawling groups
& updating headers
i dont want to bother decrypting/figuring out descriptions like
"Alter Wed SVCD cd1.mpg.001"
i want to filter the german movies with a click
i don't want to visit forums/sites to figure out the password for encrypted shit
i pay newzbin and their editors to do that for me |
Dude, why PAY someone for a service, when u can get the EXACT SAME SERVICE FOR FREE?! Like ive checked out what they offered and compared it to free sites and they dont offer anything the free sites dont....ok, if u could download the files through a special link or group or something if u have a prem account, then id agree...but they have nothing of the sort...they are charging for something others offer FOR FREE....?
Im just as lazy as u, hence the reason I go to the sites Ive listed when I want to find something - they have all the info u need on the release - name, posting name, poster, time it was posted, how many files per hour, post speed, where its posted, if it comes with a par(2) set etc
Why pay for something, even if its 2 bucks (something cheap) when u can get it for free?
Its not like newzbin is the "official" archiver of usenet...so ur paying them to do nothing, that can actually be done automatically with a lil bit of coding skill - which i suspect some of the free sites do hence the reason they have way more groups covered and backlog alot more shit.
I dunno man, u confuse the fuck outta me...Im not cuttin u up by the way or anything...I just am kinda shocked that u dont get my point. Or atleast prove me wrong and say, this is what newzbin offers that no one else does. Then i will apologize and eat my words
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| Posted: Thu, 1st Sep 2005 06:32 Post subject: |
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| GP Force wrote: | | MaroW wrote: | | hm... i bought newsleecher with supersearch... i can search for EVERY file thats ever posted on any newsgroup and clickdownload it directly in the program... works flawlessly and is up to date in notime... |
It's not the reader it's your USP that decided the ret/comp |
wtf auta?
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nouseforaname
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| Posted: Sun, 4th Sep 2005 00:36 Post subject: |
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| SycoShaman wrote: | | .ok, if u could download the files through a special link or group or something if u have a prem account, then id agree...but they have nothing of the sort.. |
What do you mean? You can only download nzbs with a premium account.
There are lots of free places to get nzbs, but none with even close to the amount (or the retention, since newzbin indexes 50 days worth of stuff) that they have.
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SycoShaman
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| Posted: Sun, 4th Sep 2005 06:13 Post subject: |
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| nouseforaname wrote: | | SycoShaman wrote: | | .ok, if u could download the files through a special link or group or something if u have a prem account, then id agree...but they have nothing of the sort.. |
What do you mean? You can only download nzbs with a premium account.
There are lots of free places to get nzbs, but none with even close to the amount (or the retention, since newzbin indexes 50 days worth of stuff) that they have. |
yeah man...its retarded...
go to google...games section, click any game title. Look on the page near the bottem says "show files" - as in the rar files associated and posted in the group - says u need a Premium account which u have to pay for...lol nevermind downloading nzbs, just see the fuckin files listed so u know whether its a complete post or a certain release u want or something...how is that not a scam when there are hundreds of sites that offer all the information newsbin provides, for free, yet newsbin charges for.... |
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| Posted: Sun, 4th Sep 2005 09:13 Post subject: |
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Here's my mini-newsgroup guide:
Step 1.
Find out what your ISP's news provider is and/or decide if you want a pay-to-use provider. Find out the adress (i.e. news.myisp.com), port, and username/pw (if any)
Step 2.
Get NewsLeecher. You can buy it for ~$30, but I saw a version floating around IRC a few days back for you cheap bastards ;P. Set nl up with the info you got above.
Step 3.
Go to Google/, search for the stuff you need (free) and create NZB files (also free). Open the NZB files with nl, and you're good.
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SycoShaman
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| Posted: Sun, 4th Sep 2005 09:51 Post subject: |
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| Accelleron wrote: | Here's my mini-newsgroup guide:
Step 1.
Find out what your ISP's news provider is and/or decide if you want a pay-to-use provider. Find out the adress (i.e. news.myisp.com), port, and username/pw (if any)
Step 2.
Get NewsLeecher. You can buy it for ~$30, but I saw a version floating around IRC a few days back for you cheap bastards ;P. Set nl up with the info you got above.
Step 3.
Go to GOOGLE/, search for the stuff you need (free) and create NZB files (also free). Open the NZB files with nl, and you're good. |
thats what im saying, well, along those lines anyway...why pay for something that is free? newsbin is such a scam...try asking that question on their forum, bet u, u get banned |
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| Posted: Tue, 6th Sep 2005 17:54 Post subject: |
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nouseforaname
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| Posted: Tue, 6th Sep 2005 18:02 Post subject: |
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binsearch.info and newzbin.com are nothing alike. One indexes posts (ie you can actually browse and discuss issues with each posts) ... one you have to know exactly what you're looking for.
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SycoShaman
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| Posted: Tue, 6th Sep 2005 21:15 Post subject: |
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| nouseforaname wrote: | | binsearch.info and newzbin.com are nothing alike. One indexes posts (ie you can actually browse and discuss issues with each posts) ... one you have to know exactly what you're looking for. |
never been to binsearch.info
newzbin is still a scam  |
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SycoShaman
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| Posted: Tue, 6th Sep 2005 23:46 Post subject: |
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| medeirosm wrote: | Here's my movie store analogy:
Now I walk into the store without a clue as to which movie I wanna watch
Free Sites: I walk in and I gotta think for a few minutes, I come up with a movie I wanna watch, now I just need to find the movie on the rack, that is, if it's there of course.
Newzbin: I walk in and am handed a sheet with all the movies listed alphabetically for me, I scan the list and pick the one that looks good and I'm done.
Now you will end up with the same product in the end but if you don't mind spending a little money isn't it much nicer to have the list, some of us just cannot be bothered looking through the racks to find "Backdraft". Ahhhh, A great film. |
But dude, u can get that same list at numerous other sites, FOR FREE!!!
*bangs head against desk again* |
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| Posted: Wed, 7th Sep 2005 00:04 Post subject: |
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| SycoShaman wrote: | | medeirosm wrote: | Here's my movie store analogy:
Now I walk into the store without a clue as to which movie I wanna watch
Free Sites: I walk in and I gotta think for a few minutes, I come up with a movie I wanna watch, now I just need to find the movie on the rack, that is, if it's there of course.
Newzbin: I walk in and am handed a sheet with all the movies listed alphabetically for me, I scan the list and pick the one that looks good and I'm done.
Now you will end up with the same product in the end but if you don't mind spending a little money isn't it much nicer to have the list, some of us just cannot be bothered looking through the racks to find "Backdraft". Ahhhh, A great film. |
But dude, u can get that same list at numerous other sites, FOR FREE!!!
*bangs head against desk again* |
True, but it would be like a game of go fish.
You got fable -> search -> nope
hmmmm, Doom 3 -> search -> nope
hmmmm, MVP 2005 -> search -> success
and of course there is the fact that you have to know what your looking for, most of the time I know what i'm looking for but somtimes I like to just browse the list of games, dvd's etc... and find the one that looks good and be leeching it within a minute.
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SycoShaman
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| Posted: Wed, 7th Sep 2005 01:19 Post subject: |
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very true
But I still think the things u gotta pay for on newzbin, like seeing associated files for the post, is retarded. Like I said, I can go to numerous other sites and get all the info that newzbin requires payment for, for free...
I think they market themselves to ppl who arent all that knowledgable about usenet in the first place (no offence intended to anyone on here)...like that guy on tv who teaches you "to use the computer like a professional". What does he show u how to do?  use Word, and Excel and Outlook......see my point?
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SycoShaman
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| Posted: Wed, 7th Sep 2005 02:17 Post subject: |
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| medeirosm wrote: | | SycoShaman wrote: | very true
But I still think the things u gotta pay for on newzbin, like seeing associated files for the post, is retarded. Like I said, I can go to numerous other sites and get all the info that newzbin requires payment for, for free...
I think they market themselves to ppl who arent all that knowledgable about usenet in the first place (no offence intended to anyone on here)...like that guy on tv who teaches you "to use the computer like a professional". What does he show u how to do? use Word, and Excel and Outlook......see my point? |
Well people who want to "see associated files for a post" are more then welcome to search the free alternatives and not waste bandwidth for us 'unknownledgeable' people who are using newzbin.
Plain and simple, Newzbin is easier and more user-friendly then your method so that's why I use it.
I'm lazy and woudn't have it any other way. |
Do u pay for it? There free service is great and I have no quams against it...its their pay service that i disklike |
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| Posted: Wed, 7th Sep 2005 03:02 Post subject: |
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| SycoShaman wrote: | | medeirosm wrote: | | SycoShaman wrote: | very true
But I still think the things u gotta pay for on newzbin, like seeing associated files for the post, is retarded. Like I said, I can go to numerous other sites and get all the info that newzbin requires payment for, for free...
I think they market themselves to ppl who arent all that knowledgable about usenet in the first place (no offence intended to anyone on here)...like that guy on tv who teaches you "to use the computer like a professional". What does he show u how to do? use Word, and Excel and Outlook......see my point? |
Well people who want to "see associated files for a post" are more then welcome to search the free alternatives and not waste bandwidth for us 'unknownledgeable' people who are using newzbin.
Plain and simple, Newzbin is easier and more user-friendly then your method so that's why I use it.
I'm lazy and woudn't have it any other way. |
Do u pay for it? There free service is great and I have no quams against it...its their pay service that i disklike |
Yes I do, but it's so cheap I don't mind spending the money.
Kinda like people who have maids, you can clean the place yourself but if you don't mind spending some money you can get someone else to do the work.
Really, to each his own and it's good to know their are free alternatives for those who either don't mind the extra work or don't have the money to spend.
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SycoShaman
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| Posted: Wed, 7th Sep 2005 06:53 Post subject: |
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Meh, whatever floats ur boat man
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| Posted: Wed, 7th Sep 2005 07:04 Post subject: |
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I'm gonna have to go with syco on this one. If you don't know what exactly you want, this isn't for you. Then again, a quick scan of vcdquality.com to see what's new, or a look at apple trailers to find a movie you like will both give you better results than just a list of release names, so to each his own, but for me paying $ for an inferior alternative is teh sux.
As for discussion, this board has plenty of release discussion. Another source of people bitching about Windows not opening .nfo files right away, and the fucking cat gets it. Think of the kitty.
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nouseforaname
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| Posted: Wed, 7th Sep 2005 16:13 Post subject: |
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| Accelleron wrote: | | I'm gonna have to go with syco on this one. If you don't know what exactly you want, this isn't for you. Then again, a quick scan of vcdquality.com to see what's new, or a look at apple trailers to find a movie you like will both give you better results than just a list of release names, so to each his own, but for me paying $ for an inferior alternative is teh sux. |
I download like ~30 dvdrs a month. Many are not scene releases. There are thousands of posts indexed a day, many with comments from other users and the nfos attached and the nzb files to download (all premium services).
I like medeirosm's example about a movie store... How about a record store? There are currently 30,500 albums indexed on newzbin. Imagine walking into a record store with 30,000 albums with no titles -- how do you find what you want?
Newzbin.com is best indexing site on the web and the best place to get nzb files. Yes, I'd agree that if you don't use nzb files then you shouldn't pay the gigantic 50 cents per week for the premium service. Show me something better.
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| Posted: Wed, 7th Sep 2005 17:18 Post subject: |
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SycoShaman the newzbin hater, lol
Really if you don't like them or others sites that provide what is deemed an easier and quicker way for newcomers then don't use them, simply really ain' t it?, there is no need to keep going on & on & on & on & on & on & on & on & on & on & on & on & on & on & on & on & on & on & on & on & on & on & on & on & on & on & on & on & on & on & on & on & on & on & on & on & on & on & on & on & on & on & on & on & on & on & on & on & on & on & on & on & on & on & on & on & on & on & on & on & on & on & on & on & on & on & on & on & on & on & on & on & on & on & on & on & on & on & on & on & on & on & on & on & on & on & on & on & on & on & on & on & on & on & on & on & on & on & on & on & on & on & on & on & on & on & on & on & on & on & on & on & on & on & on & on & on & on & on & on & on about it, just move on
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SycoShaman
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| Posted: Wed, 7th Sep 2005 19:30 Post subject: |
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Ppl seem to be missing my point, cept Acc.
Their free service is good. Just to browse whats been posted that day in various media formats and the like. But again, I have to ask the question? Why pay someone something when u can get the EXACT, if not better, service for free?
Meh, kinda surpirses how many ppl pay for newzbin...i really didnt think some of u who pay for newzbin would - considering ur resourcefulness and shit in other areas.
Well, learn something everday eh?
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nouseforaname
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SycoShaman
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| Posted: Wed, 7th Sep 2005 20:02 Post subject: |
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Im not cuttin ya up Nouse, just so were clear
Im just baffled as to why ppl pay for it.
I dunno.
Like i said above, whatever floats ur boat right?
this is gettin pointless as were just going round and round in a circle with this discussion lol
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| Posted: Thu, 8th Sep 2005 05:56 Post subject: |
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| medeirosm wrote: | Ok, I gotta open it back up again.
Which FREE site has the EXACT service as newzbin? |
That's the thing, no "free" site has the EXACT same service. Newzbin is a lot of services all rolled into one. So you want to know what you pay for - the convenience of all those "free" sites on one site. Plus one more that I have not seen on any "free" site and that is the (almost) real time feed for the newsgroups they index. NZBzone I know was experimenting with one before they put in that stupid 800 limit. But last time I was there you had to donate or be some VIP in order to gain access to that part of the site. So don't know if it's changed.
Plus there are alot of other features that justify the amt they charge. Shit it's not like you're payin just for the nzb's.
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SycoShaman
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| Posted: Thu, 8th Sep 2005 20:24 Post subject: |
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Mede - Binnews.com, that bin search one and usenetspider.com
they may not have things presented in the same fashion but all the same info is there
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