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Supino
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@highstuff
what is cdsteam dumper all about?
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| Posted: Wed, 7th Sep 2005 17:44 Post subject: |
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its about cracking sf3 fast .especialy designed for the difficult sf3 version(Trackmania sunrise, Splinter cell etc.
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| Posted: Wed, 7th Sep 2005 23:48 Post subject: |
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actually problems in buring 1:1 copies of starforce dvd as we can do with cd's is an hardware problem with dvd writers, the cdsteam image patching method would work also on dvd with the proper dvd burner
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| Posted: Thu, 8th Sep 2005 08:39 Post subject: |
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| Selt wrote: | | actually problems in buring 1:1 copies of starforce dvd as we can do with cd's is an hardware problem with dvd writers, the cdsteam image patching method would work also on dvd with the proper dvd burner |
are there any dvd writers that can write RAW???
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| Posted: Thu, 8th Sep 2005 12:17 Post subject: |
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| Posted: Thu, 8th Sep 2005 13:18 Post subject: |
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| Jannick007 wrote: | | Selt wrote: | | actually problems in buring 1:1 copies of starforce dvd as we can do with cd's is an hardware problem with dvd writers, the cdsteam image patching method would work also on dvd with the proper dvd burner |
are there any dvd writers that can write RAW??? |
nope. that's the point
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| Posted: Thu, 8th Sep 2005 22:18 Post subject: see the truth |
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| highstuff wrote: | nonsense when that happens then its done with cracking games manualy but cracking games with big teams (that create dumpers) that will continue forever. here and there some delays and some more emulating releases but behind the scenes cracking teams working on dumpers.  |
you mix a 1:1 tool with a sf3 cracking tool highstuff, cd copy programs can always happen because the technic of the drives enahnce too to solve burning trouble. Making a crack is much more and the time of generic tools is gone believe it or not but i know what cracking takes.
Starforce 3 exist since lets say 2 years and even without the bust that hurted groups like FLT or HLM hard and forced crackers of grps like IMMERSION, RAZOR, VENGANCE, DEViANCE (the real old one) to retire from cracking it would be hard to beat sf3. The stuff cdsteam actualy develops will work as soon as the dvd burner can burn RAW but that doesnt help you as starforce already know that will happen 1 day and they have the cdsteam tools too. They also have later betas of Daemon Tools which can still emulate sf3 proper but they dont react as there are maybe 50 ppl having this daemon tools.
As soon as its public the driver will be updated. ;Morglum and his team of reversers and ex sceners is a great team but dont be blind cdsteam exist since more then 2 years already and there is no progress in cracking sf3 in time. Neither ULTIMA nor RELOADED nor DIE could beat sf3 as good as its needed todo it intime and to be honest its good that way so ppl buy games and developers develop more to play. I dont blame you to believe in cdsteam as everyone needs something to believe in but see the reality:
SD4 - not proper cracked in the last big Titles
SECU7 - not cracked in its new Version seeen in motogp3 and advent rising
SF3 - not cracked in the major versions like SCCT from scenegrps (ULTIMA did SCCT to proof it works but next driver update finished the old dll  )
TAGES - not cracked yet in latest Version (echo) but doable
LASERLOK - easy
SMARTE - based on safedisc + fade features its actually easy as fade not used yet as far as i heared
Activmark - online protection based on macrovisions safedisc doable but takes time
See the truth - over the last months there was no group able to show that they can crack the 3 major protections in time when used correctly. Its a lag of new coders that hurts the scene groups as over the past years noone even used 1 thinger to try himself as the oh so fine P2P gave it all and so talents decided to wast it on whatever but not cracking. The scene today is a result of this misses and there is no new blood seeable yet. What will happpen when the actually skilled ppl need a job, start a family, have a real life? there is no future seeable.
So long
Start your debuggers, learn c++, learn asm, learn win32 apis, learn to crack virtual machines and virtual filesystems then there might be a future but posting cdsteam links or dtools posts or asking for a delay of cracks doesnt help anyone that want to see a game cracked. Scene might die even with the new blood but will for sure without. Every Month gone till a release of tools like cdsteams or dtools or new alcohols and virtual cds or gamejackal, game jack is a month lost in life of crackers working for the scene till they start their own life beside the scene.
good luck with your hopes and wishes to developers of tools, debuggers, dumpers!
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TheDuck
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Location: Australia
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| Posted: Thu, 8th Sep 2005 22:59 Post subject: Re: see the truth |
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| Freakshow wrote: | | highstuff wrote: | | nonsense when that happens then its done with cracking games manualy but cracking games with big teams (that create dumpers) that will continue forever. here and there some delays and some more emulating releases but behind the scenes cracking teams working on dumpers. |
you mix a 1:1 tool with a sf3 cracking tool highstuff, cd copy programs can always happen because the technic of the drives enahnce too to solve burning trouble. Making a crack is much more and the time of generic tools is gone believe it or not but i know what cracking takes.
Starforce 3 exist since lets say 2 years and even without the bust that hurted groups like FLT or HLM hard and forced crackers of grps like IMMERSION, RAZOR, VENGANCE, DEViANCE (the real old one) to retire from cracking it would be hard to beat sf3. The stuff cdsteam actualy develops will work as soon as the dvd burner can burn RAW but that doesnt help you as starforce already know that will happen 1 day and they have the cdsteam tools too. They also have later betas of Daemon Tools which can still emulate sf3 proper but they dont react as there are maybe 50 ppl having this daemon tools.
As soon as its public the driver will be updated. ;Morglum and his team of reversers and ex sceners is a great team but dont be blind cdsteam exist since more then 2 years already and there is no progress in cracking sf3 in time. Neither ULTIMA nor RELOADED nor DIE could beat sf3 as good as its needed todo it intime and to be honest its good that way so ppl buy games and developers develop more to play. I dont blame you to believe in cdsteam as everyone needs something to believe in but see the reality:
SD4 - not proper cracked in the last big Titles
SECU7 - not cracked in its new Version seeen in motogp3 and advent rising
SF3 - not cracked in the major versions like SCCT from scenegrps (ULTIMA did SCCT to proof it works but next driver update finished the old dll )
TAGES - not cracked yet in latest Version (echo) but doable
LASERLOK - easy
SMARTE - based on safedisc + fade features its actually easy as fade not used yet as far as i heared
Activmark - online protection based on macrovisions safedisc doable but takes time
See the truth - over the last months there was no group able to show that they can crack the 3 major protections in time when used correctly. Its a lag of new coders that hurts the scene groups as over the past years noone even used 1 thinger to try himself as the oh so fine P2P gave it all and so talents decided to wast it on whatever but not cracking. The scene today is a result of this misses and there is no new blood seeable yet. What will happpen when the actually skilled ppl need a job, start a family, have a real life? there is no future seeable.
So long
Start your debuggers, learn c++, learn asm, learn win32 apis, learn to crack virtual machines and virtual filesystems then there might be a future but posting cdsteam links or dtools posts or asking for a delay of cracks doesnt help anyone that want to see a game cracked. Scene might die even with the new blood but will for sure without. Every Month gone till a release of tools like cdsteams or dtools or new alcohols and virtual cds or gamejackal, game jack is a month lost in life of crackers working for the scene till they start their own life beside the scene.
good luck with your hopes and wishes to developers of tools, debuggers, dumpers! |
Freakshow remember that everything evolves, and ppl every year learn new things... Remember that ppl thought that atom is the smallest thing... Would you 30 years ago think of CDs ? I don't predict anyone's future... What will happen only time will tell...
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| Posted: Thu, 8th Sep 2005 23:39 Post subject: Re: see the truth |
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| Posted: Fri, 9th Sep 2005 02:50 Post subject: Re: see the truth |
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| Posted: Fri, 9th Sep 2005 08:18 Post subject: Re: see the truth |
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| bigboy177 wrote: |
That's not what I ment... It's stupid to crack such protections the way crackers know now... But there maybe another way, which is simple, fast, and very efficient... Future can bring anything... It can also bring an end to the PC ISO scene... I guess we'll see... |
It seems you never reversed a protection yet bigboy177
Alot of things in new protections cant be done generic in new versions of safedisc, starforce, securom esp the stuff that use the VM. All 3 protections use something like stolen functions and for that you need to trace/logg everything the VM does to get known and VMs today are crced in memory and sometimes addional have checks how much operations the cpu did till the command in VM got done. So even if the VM would be generic doable you have to patch the checks manually when VM crcs himself and checks the cpu operations at random times. Generic for such stuff = extrem hard if not impossible. Nothing is simple regarding to protections today and without new blood there wont be new ideas about cracking as the old ones will sooner or later be gone and they couldnt train new ones as there are non yet.
PPL like godlike, the analyst, yates, risc, portia, gurda, grendel, wierd brothers, skuater, gadix, yazz, ntsc, moelch, lgb, dEViL, suntzu, archangel, daemon, uradox, boolseye, vag, witeg, egis, k-code and all the others that left after the busts of FLT and HLM from the cracking chans in efnet cant be replaced so easy without new blood even trying. Protections get harder, crackers get less - guess how it ends
so long
Happy weekend to all
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| Posted: Fri, 9th Sep 2005 11:30 Post subject: Re: see the truth |
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| Freakshow wrote: | | bigboy177 wrote: |
That's not what I ment... It's stupid to crack such protections the way crackers know now... But there maybe another way, which is simple, fast, and very efficient... Future can bring anything... It can also bring an end to the PC ISO scene... I guess we'll see... |
It seems you never reversed a protection yet bigboy177
Alot of things in new protections cant be done generic in new versions of safedisc, starforce, securom esp the stuff that use the VM. All 3 protections use something like stolen functions and for that you need to trace/logg everything the VM does to get known and VMs today are crced in memory and sometimes addional have checks how much operations the cpu did till the command in VM got done. So even if the VM would be generic doable you have to patch the checks manually when VM crcs himself and checks the cpu operations at random times. Generic for such stuff = extrem hard if not impossible. Nothing is simple regarding to protections today and without new blood there wont be new ideas about cracking as the old ones will sooner or later be gone and they couldnt train new ones as there are non yet.
PPL like godlike, the analyst, yates, risc, portia, gurda, grendel, wierd brothers, skuater, gadix, yazz, ntsc, moelch, lgb, dEViL, suntzu, archangel, daemon, uradox, boolseye, vag, witeg, egis, k-code and all the others that left after the busts of FLT and HLM from the cracking chans in efnet cant be replaced so easy without new blood even trying. Protections get harder, crackers get less - guess how it ends
so long
Happy weekend to all |
Yeah without new blood the scene will die for sure... But regarding the complexity of todays protections... I'm don't think that generic tools are possible... but loaders, counter drviers and stuff like that maybe done in futere to break them... New blood is needed for that also... I guess we'll see if it comes or not...
When you write about scene's death you forget about one thing... It's a multi million dollar bussiness... It's not like they are Robin Hoods... they do it for the money, and there will always be ppl wanting to make some big buck doing the things they like - RE...
It's like with drugs... Ppl get busted, you think that maybe it'll stop now... but them new ones come and it's back to normal...
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TheDuck
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| Posted: Fri, 9th Sep 2005 16:49 Post subject: |
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I would say 'heh' again buuut..
I dont think macrovision or sony will go anywhere near sf for execution time reason. Sf is very close to the limit, they can change minor or even some major things but it wont be a problem anymore since most of the time crackers spent on the fancy shit, envoirement handling... imo sf will be nothing special - and yes, generic tools are possible, and trust me, they can be VERY generic hehe.
-TD
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TheDuck
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| Posted: Tue, 13th Sep 2005 11:07 Post subject: |
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still no word from the Deamon tools front... I've always loved DT but this pro version smells like vapoware.
If they want to go commercial with their product like they said, they should start giving some more updates and show some more respect for their potential customers.
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| Posted: Wed, 21st Sep 2005 19:04 Post subject: |
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| bill_the_one wrote: | Hi guys,
Here is an update from Daemon Tools official site :
Dear Community,
we plan to release the new Daemon Tools V4 next month (October).
No exact date is possible, but at least you now have some "landmark"
No need to PM us anymore
... sooo , can we conlude that the delay is due to the implementation of very interesting features (such as Starforce full emulation) ? The answer in one month... |
great news |
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| Posted: Wed, 21st Sep 2005 19:23 Post subject: |
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this is incredible btw, we waited 2 years for an generic sf cracking/emulation tool, and in the same month we get daemon4 for clones and the cdsteam tool to rebuild automatically starforce executables...
cracking god, may u be blessed !
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real battle hasn't even begon its going to be fun when Securom /Safedisc are not cloneable anymore (still a pitty ofcourse no fast clones..but hey for cracking scene its good... an disadvantage has its possitive sides...
