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 Posted: Mon, 3rd Jun 2013 14:20 Post subject: Learning programming objective-c |
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i started 2 months ago, a get familiar with xcode and i have job waiting, but job is only avaliable when i learn objective c, and if i go solo learning, i will learn that in 6-8 months, but if someone show me directly, i know i can learn that in 3 months top. And sallary is great. And i started emailing people and little companies who work on iOS aplications here in zagreb/croatia to show me objective c, and i can volunteer for anything, i emailed 10 application for that and NO ONE HAVE TIME TO SHOW ME, i'm really pissed off, because i know i if someone ask me to show him anything from IT, i would with no problems, what's an hour a day nothing, not much friendly people here in zagreb/croatia. There is no official classes from university's for objective-c, one university did not even heard about makin iOS aplications and objective c, shame on fucking country.
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deelix
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What about trying your luck further north? Germany/Scandinavia/UK?
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| Posted: Mon, 3rd Jun 2013 14:41 Post subject: |
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| deelix wrote: | | What about trying your luck further north? Germany/Scandinavia/UK? |
before that i must be level 100 at objective c, i doubt that someone will took foreigner to teach him objective c, or maybe i'm wrong. i will ask anyway.
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deelix
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Sin317
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you're part of the EU in a month, then you can go and work and live wherever in Europe.
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| Posted: Mon, 3rd Jun 2013 15:38 Post subject: |
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Croatia is all about Microsoft, they pretty much occupy everything IT related  so it's no surprise about Apple and Xcode.
I plan on learning it on my own soon, if you know programming it's not a big deal all the objective programming languages are similar in one way or another (java, c++, c# etc.).
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| Posted: Mon, 3rd Jun 2013 16:01 Post subject: |
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Have you tried looking for online courses? There are tons of free courses in various subjects, I'm sure there should be one in objective programming...
"Quantum mechanics is actually, contrary to it's reputation, unbeliveably simple, once you take the physics out."
Scott Aaronson | chiv wrote: | | thats true you know. newton didnt discover gravity. the apple told him about it, and then he killed it. the core was never found. |
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| Posted: Mon, 3rd Jun 2013 16:22 Post subject: |
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i found couple of online courses, 3 good e-books and one really useful blog and i'm learning from that, but learning from a person who knows objective c is much much better and faster.
Why walk, when you can ride.
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| Posted: Mon, 3rd Jun 2013 19:14 Post subject: |
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| keewee23 wrote: | | i found couple of online courses, 3 good e-books and one really useful blog and i'm learning from that, but learning from a person who knows objective c is much much better and faster. |
Disagree, you have to learn stuff like this yourself and experiment, write down any questions and things that bugged you then then ask these questions online or someone who knows objective-c.
Just going to a person, who isn't a teacher even worse a programmer, and ask him to teach you about a specific computer language won't work. |
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| Posted: Mon, 3rd Jun 2013 19:34 Post subject: |
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Stupid Apple, I find that language to be horrendous
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Objective C has slowly become my favorite language. Ask any question you like. 
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| Guy_Incognito wrote: | | Stupid Apple, I find that language to be horrendous |
You haven't truly used it than. It is wonderful, such a large feature set. Really excellent for the poweruser. |
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| Posted: Mon, 3rd Jun 2013 21:09 Post subject: |
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LeoNatan
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What is so funny? 
Fastest way of learning, forget books and tutorials, think of a small project, either iOS or Mac OS X, and just sit and do it. You will hit various bumps along the way and will need help, which is where Google, Stack Overflow and this forum come in play. This is the best way to learn.
Think of something cool and just do it.
Obviously, thinking of advanced features is difficult, but from experience, if you can take a small to medium scale problem, you will do fine with a more advanced one.
Are you familiar with programming or just starting?
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| Posted: Mon, 3rd Jun 2013 21:17 Post subject: |
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| LeoNatan wrote: | | Fastest way of learning, forget books and tutorials, think of a small project, either iOS or Mac OS X, and just sit and do it. You will hit various bumps along the way and will need help, which is where Google, Stack Overflow and this forum come in play. This is the best way to learn. |
That. None of the languages I know I've learned from a book, tutorial or a teacher. At most what I get from any of that is to learn what the syntactical sugar is like for a specific language. Programming tricks you won't learn like that. And truth be told, when you do something yourself and figure it out on your own, it tends to stick much better. Otherwise you're just typing over from a book or cramming some terms into your head temporarily, rather than actually learning what they do or mean. |
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i made one app in storyboard, but that's not hard, so i said to myself i wanna learn objective c from scratch, people who are offering job certainly wont employ just "storyboard programmer" i wanna know what is under the hood of every app or game, so that's why i downloaded e-books and watched class lessons from stanford university, anyway that already helped a lot, that gave me intro into objective c, i did not have any programming experience before, but i know now logic of programming and now after two months i know hierarchy how to implement code, i "learned" xcode, i know what's property, private versus public, but i dont know all variables and methods yet, and that's why i asked people here in zagreb to teach me that practice for a 2 weeks or a month, and they was like " Ain't Nobody Got Time For That" , i am doing that practice you guys mentioned here, but i was asking is there any faster method then that.
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LeoNatan
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Storyboard is just UI. What program did you do? Just UI push and modal? That's not really a program.
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| Posted: Mon, 3rd Jun 2013 22:17 Post subject: |
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i know, that's why i started learning objective c from scratch with e-books and lessons from stanford
Why walk, when you can ride.
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LeoNatan
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What is from scratch? What is wrong with designing UI with interface builder? UI should be designed with interface builder as much as possible while model and controllers should be in code. UI is a very small portion of a software anyway.
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| Posted: Mon, 3rd Jun 2013 23:05 Post subject: |
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from scratch i mean model and controller, learn to code.
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| Posted: Tue, 4th Jun 2013 00:08 Post subject: |
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| LeoNatan wrote: | What is so funny?
Fastest way of learning, forget books and tutorials, think of a small project, either iOS or Mac OS X, and just sit and do it. You will hit various bumps along the way and will need help, which is where Google, Stack Overflow and this forum come in play. This is the best way to learn.
Think of something cool and just do it.
Obviously, thinking of advanced features is difficult, but from experience, if you can take a small to medium scale problem, you will do fine with a more advanced one.
Are you familiar with programming or just starting? |
Leo is right. I never learned proper coding in college, when I was in my least year I took up a few big projects, and I learned more completing them in 2-3 months of hard labour than I did in college years.
Good coding takes intellect, sure, but most of all: experience.
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| Posted: Tue, 4th Jun 2013 00:12 Post subject: |
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| LeoNatan wrote: | | What is from scratch? What is wrong with designing UI with interface builder? UI should be designed with interface builder as much as possible while model and controllers should be in code. UI is a very small portion of a software anyway. |
UI and UX might be a small portion of software, if you think of software as coding. If you think of software as design and coding, then UI and UX are fare more important. UX design will make or break an app made for the consumer segment.
I worked for enterprise for years before I started producing to consumers, and the first few projects were harsh. Whilst in enterprise UX is mostly all about functionality, for the consumer segment it's all about the X - the experience, and the more streamlined and intuitive you can make it, while making sure users achieve goals set by design, the better the software overall. Easy things to say, hard things to plan.
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LeoNatan
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Sure, I agree, but if you look at existing software, a lot of design problems have already been solved. I am one of these that prefers to have as consistent look as possible, so by looking at software, I can already plan how a UI would look. And still, with UI design taken into account, UI is still a relatively minor portion of development, when taking into account logic, db/Core Data management, services, etc. GUI may be the most important part of the development, but it is minor.
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