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prudislav
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| Quote: | | ."Pricing the Alpha any lower than $90 would be a slap in the face to our Kickstarter backers who are just getting access now too", Uber's Bob Berry tells Kotaku. "We know we're losing money by having a high priced alpha, but its more important to us to honor our commitment to the existing community than to lower the price to get more money." |
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| Posted: Fri, 14th Jun 2013 13:19 Post subject: |
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Problem is not with the price.
Problem is that they went with alpha/beta into Steam and now they are getting fursecuted and for a reason.
That was a stupid move. Should have sticked to KS and their own official site for such deal.
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| Posted: Fri, 14th Jun 2013 13:54 Post subject: |
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| Kein wrote: | | That was a stupid move. Should have sticked to KS and their own official site for such deal. |
I completely agree. The preorder price on KS was incredible, it's just when they put the Early Access beta onto Steam and you see the high-tier price, that's when it looks outrageous. Just to agree with others too; the same thing would happen for Star Citizen, €40 for the full game but upto €200 for all the preorder/bonus tier goodies.
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rejer13
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| Posted: Fri, 14th Jun 2013 14:16 Post subject: |
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that much for a crap game.
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| Posted: Fri, 14th Jun 2013 14:19 Post subject: |
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They really have to be either naive/stupid or just plain greedy to put it on steam for that much money. I don't care what it cost on Kickstarter, because Steam isn't Kickstarter. If they feel obligated to keep charging $90 (oh woe is us we have to charge an insane amount of money!) then don't put it on Steam. Or put it on as a normal pre-order without alpha/beta. Acting like they have some obligation to do this is the most offensive part of this, nobody is forcing you to keep selling alpha access to your game.
This just seems scummy and opportunistic. It really goes to show much the Kickstarter system simply doesn't translate into every day commerce. They should never have attempted this, and they deserve all the bad PR they get.
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| Posted: Fri, 14th Jun 2013 14:20 Post subject: ***** |
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*****
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| Posted: Fri, 14th Jun 2013 16:34 Post subject: |
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| sabin1981 wrote: | | Kein wrote: | | That was a stupid move. Should have sticked to KS and their own official site for such deal. |
I completely agree. The preorder price on KS was incredible, it's just when they put the Early Access beta onto Steam and you see the high-tier price, that's when it looks outrageous. Just to agree with others too; the same thing would happen for Star Citizen, €40 for the full game but upto €200 for all the preorder/bonus tier goodies. |
It's not a stupid move. People who already bought in wanted it on Steam ASAP for obvious reasons. They are doing this for their backers and more importantly keeping their word.
And anyone calling this a crap game is plainly inept. It's TA with 40 player battles across a solar system and with a galactic war campaign mode. Runs on windows, Linux, and OSX. No DLC horseshit. Fully and easily moddable.
People bad mouthing this game can go eat it.
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| Posted: Fri, 14th Jun 2013 16:59 Post subject: |
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The game is amazing and I can't wait for final version, but trying to sell alpha for such price via Steam was stupid, yes. There are literally few people who ready to purchase alpha-build for such price and they could have easily do this via Ks and their site, announcing that alpha is now available. They as well could ask Kotaku/RPS/Eurogamer post articles that alpha is now available for pre-order for everyone. Want it on steam? No problem, use limited access alpha feature that Steam has and sent the keys for everyone who bought it.
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| Posted: Fri, 14th Jun 2013 19:03 Post subject: |
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Its on third place because the cdkeys given from kickstarter are also counted.
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| Posted: Fri, 14th Jun 2013 19:04 Post subject: |
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| Boneleech wrote: | | Its on third place because the cdkeys given from kickstarter are also counted. |
Figured as much.
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| Posted: Fri, 14th Jun 2013 19:26 Post subject: |
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| Mchart wrote: |
It's not a stupid move. People who already bought in wanted it on Steam ASAP for obvious reasons. |
So give them Steam keys like what WMDPortal are doing for pCARS. Putting it up for SALE on the Early Access Market for such a dizzying amount of money is just asking for trouble. If it's a "gift" to high-tied KS backers, then make it a gift, give them keys and use Steam's CDN, just don't put it up for sale at the downright ludicrous price of €90. Nothing you say will excuse that.
| Quote: | | People bad mouthing this game can go eat it. |
I know you're not talking about me, but I just have to say; people do have different tastes though I don't think anyone is seriously saying the game is crap unless they weren't TA fans, most are just pissed and and mocking the insane greediness over the price. No beta is worth €90 and asking that smacks of greed to most people. If anyone was super eager to join the alpha/beta for a game they so obviously love, they'd have done it via the KS no?
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| Posted: Sat, 15th Jun 2013 06:42 Post subject: |
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They are offering a way into alpha for those that didn't kickstart. What exactly is the issue? Again you wouldn't be complaining if it never went up on steam. It's insanity that you're complaining about this.
And FYI it's 90 now but will decrease when they roll into beta.
Again, they are offering a way in without pissing off the kickstaters. That's more important then trying to cater to people that would never have bought in anyways.
And in the end let them be "greedy". The more money this game gets means more cool features like the galactic campaign.
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| Posted: Sat, 15th Jun 2013 13:17 Post subject: |
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The problem is that the point with early access is that devs are supposed to be able to get their unfinished games out there to make some money during the development process and yet these guys already had a successful kickstarter.
Also all other games on early access are cheaper now and then more expensive when the game is released yet this game is super expensive now and will get cheaper and cheaper till it's actually released in a finished state? Yea makes sense...
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| Posted: Sat, 15th Jun 2013 14:00 Post subject: |
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That's the issue, it's just a dumb price. And that's something kickstarters struggle to grasp, that the thing they offered on kickstarter was actually really really stupid from a business perspective. You can do things that look greedy and just plain scummy and ks users will eat it up and throw their money at it.
Had they never had this tier, they could sell their alpha for cheaper and they would have made a lot of sales. A huge number.
So what they've done now is repeat their stupid mistake but in a way that now offends/shocks the public with their price. Not everyone knows about KS, they just seem this company trying to sell an alpha for $90.
Also I think anything from Kickstarter setting precedent is bad when companies can't control themselves and just set 1000 tiers of bullsit because they know fanboys will eat it up. The real world doesn't work that way
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Big_Gun
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| Posted: Sat, 15th Jun 2013 14:38 Post subject: |
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They apparently don't care if they make more money right now.
$2,229,344 pledged of $900,000 goal.
They put it on steam because of what was mentioned before.
The price will come down. People will then buy it.
No one will even remember this price tag that is there to keep the backers happy.
They didn't put it on steam to make more money right now. They knew they probably would not make a butt load of money like this and it says so on the store page.
Is it a bad idea if they want to make more money now? yes. But, apparently they don't give a dambn. I am just going to wait till later on to buy it. I have PLENTY of stuff to play.
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| Posted: Sat, 15th Jun 2013 14:45 Post subject: |
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I specifically recall reading a dev saying "people don't understand the costs of making games" in defense of going on steam like this, so how can you say they don't want to make more money right now.
We're so noble and altruistic, we don't care about money, here's our alpha for $90!
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[sYn]
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| Posted: Sat, 15th Jun 2013 15:49 Post subject: |
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| Mchart wrote: | They are offering a way into alpha for those that didn't kickstart. What exactly is the issue? Again you wouldn't be complaining if it never went up on steam. It's insanity that you're complaining about this.
And FYI it's 90 now but will decrease when they roll into beta.
Again, they are offering a way in without pissing off the kickstaters. That's more important then trying to cater to people that would never have bought in anyways.
And in the end let them be "greedy". The more money this game gets means more cool features like the galactic campaign. |
I went to the website a few weeks ago (pre-steam) and had a look at pre-ordering. I can assure you I was just as frustrated with the pricing model then as I am now, it being on steam is irrelevant, I understand why it is on there, its the price that frustrates me (and it frustrated me just as much when it was on kickstarter).
The trend of people putting a game up for sale in in anyway (kickstarter, steam, pre-order, alpha funding) and doing the opposite of what would happen in the past - Buy it earlier for a lower cost and help with bug checking/development - is extremely annoying.
*shrug*
Like I said, I'll still buy it when it lowers in price, doesn't mean that my opinion of the development team hasn't been lowered considerably.
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| Posted: Sat, 15th Jun 2013 16:29 Post subject: |
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The PC gaming landscape is turning into one where "indie devs" can get away with anything just as long as they arent attached to a big publisher. Nevermind their practices are worse than anything a big publisher does, they are indie, it's okay
But if EA sells Dragon Age alpha for $90 imagine the backlash, even though EA has taken on all the risk of funding the game, whereas these KS games are funded by fans, and the developers take on almost no risk or try to mitigate it as much as possible.
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| Posted: Sat, 15th Jun 2013 18:10 Post subject: |
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| hailey wrote: | The PC gaming landscape is turning into one where "indie devs" can get away with anything just as long as they arent attached to a big publisher. Nevermind their practices are worse than anything a big publisher does, they are indie, it's okay
But if EA sells Dragon Age alpha for $90 imagine the backlash, even though EA has taken on all the risk of funding the game, whereas these KS games are funded by fans, and the developers take on almost no risk or try to mitigate it as much as possible. |
Us fans/kickstarters ARE THE ONES THAT SET THE PRICE!
FFS! That's the entire point!
If they set a lower price they'd be fucking the 'shareholders' of the game.
If they were actually greedy they would have set the price on steam to like $30-$40 and raked in the fucking cash from more sales, and fucked over all the kickstarters/early access buyers from before.
As it stands, they really aren't going to get additional sales at this point because yeah - $90 is expensive. Anyone that was going to pay it would have paid it before it showed up on Steam anyways because we love the game.
Anyways, OSX client is live now FYI.
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Big_Gun
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| Posted: Sat, 15th Jun 2013 20:42 Post subject: |
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| Mchart wrote: | | hailey wrote: | The PC gaming landscape is turning into one where "indie devs" can get away with anything just as long as they arent attached to a big publisher. Nevermind their practices are worse than anything a big publisher does, they are indie, it's okay
But if EA sells Dragon Age alpha for $90 imagine the backlash, even though EA has taken on all the risk of funding the game, whereas these KS games are funded by fans, and the developers take on almost no risk or try to mitigate it as much as possible. |
Us fans/kickstarters ARE THE ONES THAT SET THE PRICE!
FFS! That's the entire point!
If they set a lower price they'd be fucking the 'shareholders' of the game.
If they were actually greedy they would have set the price on steam to like $30-$40 and raked in the fucking cash from more sales, and fucked over all the kickstarters/early access buyers from before.
As it stands, they really aren't going to get additional sales at this point because yeah - $90 is expensive. Anyone that was going to pay it would have paid it before it showed up on Steam anyways because we love the game.
Anyways, OSX client is live now FYI. |
THIS.
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Big_Gun
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| Posted: Sat, 15th Jun 2013 20:45 Post subject: |
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| hailey wrote: | I specifically recall reading a dev saying "people don't understand the costs of making games" in defense of going on steam like this, so how can you say they don't want to make more money right now.
We're so noble and altruistic, we don't care about money, here's our alpha for $90! |
Because they would have set the price at 30 dollars if they were interested in raking it in as opposed to not pissing off their kickstarters? I really don't understand what's so difficult to see here.
It's more like "Yes we would like to have more money and for people who didn't kickstart to get into alpha, here is a chance to do so at the same price our backers had to do in the beginning. If you don't want to, then wait till the price drops at beta or release."
which is basically what they say on their store page ffs.
I am not saying I agree wiith an alpha being that high in price. i did not back it. And I think it is a bad precedent if we are going to start paying MORE for alphas than final releases. That's just back asssward. But you don't have to pay it. The people who kickstarted it DID pay that to get an alpha and they don't want to suddenly drop the price to get into alpha and piss off their backers. Wait till the price goes down.
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Ankh
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| Posted: Sun, 16th Jun 2013 15:35 Post subject: |
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I only just noticed the price...holy shite! Sure, you do get alpha/beta access...but for that price it sure as hell aint worth it. I just hope I get a steamkey and not just the retail box. (Ive supported the kickstarter project, but far from as much as it cost on steam now)
shitloads of new stuff in my pc. Cant keep track of it all.
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| Posted: Sun, 16th Jun 2013 15:39 Post subject: |
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You get both a normal key and steam key. If you log into your uberent store account when you get your version you can grab it under 'my keys'.
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Ankh
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| Posted: Sun, 16th Jun 2013 15:45 Post subject: |
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So the most fervent fanboys should dictate the price of games? Can't wait for $499 CoD Black Warfare 7 pre-alpha.
It just amazes me that so many KS backers try to rationalize the price instead of acknowledge how stupid it is.
I guess that's another beautiful perk of KS, your backers have both emotional and financial investment in what you do now, so they will just excuse it all no matter how dumb it is. And when you repeatedly shoot yourself in the foot they applaud your marksmanship.
Forget "what they should have done" etc etc, do you agree that $90 for an alpha is anything but stupid, even if there's 1500 people will buy it or however many? Forget that you backed it at whatever price you did. Just imagine every game out there charging 3x for an alpha. Is the practice still acceptable to you?
Splash damage charging $200 for their alpha of Dirty Bomb, i s that stupid? Smart? Perfectly acceptable because some people will pay it?
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| Posted: Sun, 16th Jun 2013 15:57 Post subject: |
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| hailey wrote: | So the most fervent fanboys should dictate the price of games? Can't wait for $499 CoD Black Warfare 7 pre-alpha.
It just amazes me that so many KS backers try to rationalize the price instead of acknowledge how stupid it is.
I guess that's another beautiful perk of KS, your backers have both emotional and financial investment in what you do now, so they will just excuse it all no matter how dumb it is. And when you repeatedly shoot yourself in the foot they applaud your marksmanship.
Forget "what they should have done" etc etc, do you agree that $90 for an alpha is anything but stupid, even if there's 1500 people will buy it or however many? Forget that you backed it at whatever price you did. Just imagine every game out there charging 3x for an alpha. Is the practice still acceptable to you?
Splash damage charging $200 for their alpha of Dirty Bomb, i s that stupid? Smart? Perfectly acceptable because some people will pay it? |
I paid/donated $200 for this game because I wanted it to happen.
Meanwhile, Black Fucks Call of Dicker 50 can go fuck itself and i'd never even buy it once it went retail anyways.
You are comparing two VASTLY different games with incredibly different goals in mind.
One is a rehash with no real new content, strict DRM, shit multiplayer, no moddability, and little replayability.
The other is a strategy that plays very similar to TA, will be doing something never done before in any RTS concerning the scale, is DRM free, easily moddable, will be supported for years by the developer, etc.
There is a reason why people want to support this game. The most laughable part is how this is the game that people have been wanting for YEARS, begging for in fact. But when push comes to shove the biggest bitchers still bitch and wine when it comes down to supporting the project in the end.
Fuck you, wait until its $40 at retail. You aren't seeing the forest through the trees. The price of $90 for Alpha was set by us kickstarters because that was the DONATION price. That's the entire fucking point, and what people don't even understand. When you DONATE on kickstarter, or you DONATED for this game after the kickstarter finished it was just that. So if you still want to DONATE $90 right now you can get Alpha access.
I donated $200 and all I expected was to be part of the Alpha. Of course, i'll get much more then that in return as a thank you for my donation. All I wanted to see was the game becoming a reality.
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