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Stige




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PostPosted: Sat, 15th Jun 2013 22:16    Post subject:
My electricity bill (Every 2 months) went up almost 20€ from adding a second GPU back when I had Crossfire löl

But my PC is on 24/7 anyway, too lazy to turn it off.
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Ci2e




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PostPosted: Sat, 15th Jun 2013 22:18    Post subject:
Yeah I never turn mine off either. That might change if I ever get an SSD.
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Stige




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PostPosted: Sat, 15th Jun 2013 22:19    Post subject:
Ci2e wrote:
Yeah I never turn mine off either. That might change if I ever get an SSD.


Why Surprised

EDIT: I did the math a while back from my HDDs, in last 5 years my PC has been offline for total of 49 days.
But that propably includes some power saving on the HDD part so propably even less lol.

Power On Hours = 45086 on that HDD now, which is about 5.1 years atm. Bought it as new.

SSD has 7331 hours, was bought just under 11 months ago.
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Guy_Incognito




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PostPosted: Sat, 15th Jun 2013 22:44    Post subject:
Actually it's better for a hard drive to work all the time instead of powering it on and off every day. Electronic devices mostly die on poweron, not while operating.
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DXWarlock
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PostPosted: Sat, 15th Jun 2013 22:50    Post subject:
Ci2e wrote:
I was researching Intel i7 3770K and came across this bit of info about the K (unlocked) having features I may need for virtual machines disabled.

nako wrote:
It overclocks nearly as high as Sandy Bridge and heats up more with voltage. This means 4.4 to 4.7 GHz will be around the limit on air. Note that if you do not plan to overclock and/or intend to run virtual machines, the plain 3770 is the cheaper and better choice as it has Intel SIPP, vPro, VT-d and TXT enabled (the K has these disabled).


So I guess if I go Intel I need to stay away from unlocked then.

I got a K and run tons of VM's for work on it, are you just running vmplayer or vmworkstation?
Long as your not doing an esxi environment or such you'd be ok.


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Ci2e




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PostPosted: Sun, 16th Jun 2013 01:58    Post subject:
So far right now I'm only using VMPlayer since it's free. I doubt I'll ever spend $250 for VMWorkstation. Basically going to be running work environment on my personal PC just want it all separated from my personal environment. Without putting together an entire second build. I feel this is the best way to do it just need newer hardware.

Here's what I picked out so far on the Intel build http://pcpartpicker.com/p/16NZy
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DXWarlock
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PostPosted: Sun, 16th Jun 2013 02:04    Post subject:
Oh yea, then a K is fine. I run 4-5 VM's of 2003,2008, 7 and XP for work software simulations and testing. Not one issue so far with it.


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-Hard times create strong men, strong men create good times, good times create weak men, and weak men create hard times. -G. Michael Hopf

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Ci2e




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PostPosted: Sun, 16th Jun 2013 02:21    Post subject:
Are you able to run all at the same time without lag issues? What hardware you running exactly?
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DXWarlock
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PostPosted: Sun, 16th Jun 2013 03:55    Post subject:
I only run 1-2 at a time, don't need more than that up at once. Sorry didn't mean I run 4-5 of them at once..meant I run 4-5 different types and haven't had a issue because of the missing features.
Had 3 open one time for some transfers between them once, but it ran fine.

but the hardware that I got that would effect how they run is:
I got a 2500k @ 4.4(1.5 idle), 16g 1600 ram, and 128G SSD just for them.

edit:(updated post to 4.4, Forgot I bumped it down from 4.6, I was having issues in arma3 with being stable at 4.6)


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-Hard times create strong men, strong men create good times, good times create weak men, and weak men create hard times. -G. Michael Hopf

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Ci2e




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PostPosted: Sun, 16th Jun 2013 05:00    Post subject:
Okay that's still impressive what SSD? I figured I was having lag issues because of only having 4GB of really old ram running at 800. So was planning on 1866 but now I'm thinking that might not even make a difference without an SSD. I had my cpu running at 3.4 then 3.2 stable but now it doesn't even like booting up unless its at stock. Arma 3 seems to run fine for me but seems to have more detail and looking around is a bit disorienting. BF3 runs fine on my current system but the initial shock and awe of eye candy over fun factor wore off way too fast.
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DXWarlock
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PostPosted: Sun, 16th Jun 2013 05:09    Post subject:
I got this one
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820148442


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Ci2e




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PostPosted: Sun, 16th Jun 2013 14:37    Post subject:
So what components make up your system?

I run everything right now on a 750GB 7200rpm SATA HD is that why the virtualbox is lagging and freezing?
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Ci2e




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PostPosted: Mon, 24th Jun 2013 03:06    Post subject:
Only thing I can't decide on is a motherboard. I've favored the Asus Sabertooth but also like boards that have dvi/vga but they usually lack usb ports. Anyone know of a good ATX LGA 1150 mobo that isn't more than $149-200 that has plenty of features and nothing taken away?
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Sin317
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PostPosted: Mon, 24th Jun 2013 08:44    Post subject:
with a proper cooler, ivy is just fine without replacing the paste. With the Coolermaster Evo 212 (which is below 30€/$) , at 4.2 ghz i'm idling at ~28C (with ambient temps of almost that lol) and never going over 50-60C tops (most games don't stress enough and only push to like 45C tops lol).

So replacing the paste should really only be necessary for extreme overclockers or people who generally just love to void warranties or are bored as fuck Smile Smile
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Stige




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PostPosted: Mon, 24th Jun 2013 16:50    Post subject:
Sin317 wrote:
with a proper cooler, ivy is just fine without replacing the paste. With the Coolermaster Evo 212 (which is below 30€/$) , at 4.2 ghz i'm idling at ~28C (with ambient temps of almost that lol) and never going over 50-60C tops (most games don't stress enough and only push to like 45C tops lol).

So replacing the paste should really only be necessary for extreme overclockers or people who generally just love to void warranties or are bored as fuck Smile Smile


Evo is far from a proper cooler, it is one of the worst coolers money can buy at that price range.

Highest I managed without hitting TJMax was 4.8GHz on my setup without delidding, atleast the Ivy temp issues aren't as bad as they are for Haswell..

Idle temps hardly matter and "gaming temps" are not very comparable, only real way to compare temps is Prime/OCCT/IBT etc.

I just tested it myself yesterday for a few hours of Prime as it was fucking hot out here and max temps were 61/61/66/61 after a few hours.
Idle temps have gone up like 10C from what they were, minimum temps currently are 36/31/34/35.
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DXWarlock
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PostPosted: Mon, 24th Jun 2013 16:56    Post subject:
Stige wrote:

Evo is far from a proper cooler, it is one of the worst coolers money can buy at that price range.

What you basing this off of?
Unless there is something I've missed, every review, comparison and head to head I've seen in that price range, its far from the worst you can buy.


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-Hard times create strong men, strong men create good times, good times create weak men, and weak men create hard times. -G. Michael Hopf

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Stige




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PostPosted: Mon, 24th Jun 2013 17:06    Post subject:
DXWarlock wrote:
Stige wrote:

Evo is far from a proper cooler, it is one of the worst coolers money can buy at that price range.

What you basing this off of?
Unless there is something I've missed, every review, comparison and head to head I've seen in that price range, its far from the worst you can buy.


Friend has one, I had a TS TrueSpirit at the time and the temp difference was 9-10C between the two coolers, not very good bang for buck now is it :l
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PostPosted: Mon, 24th Jun 2013 17:11    Post subject:
Id say had to be a fluke. Id take a wide variety of reviews, tests, and feedback as a general census of its performance, over 1 guy you knows singular setup results.

I mean you really cant take one guys singular experience of a cooler and judge it as 'worst coolers money can buy at that price range'.
Most you can do is say "A guy I knew had a bad experience with it".


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-Hard times create strong men, strong men create good times, good times create weak men, and weak men create hard times. -G. Michael Hopf

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Ci2e




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PostPosted: Tue, 25th Jun 2013 00:16    Post subject:
I'd be willing to go Ivy but picking out the hardware is time consuming and I want to have all this ordered very soon. This is what I've selected for Haswell build http://pcpartpicker.com/p/19sMp

I didn't want to spend that much on a mobo but I couldn't find one with the same quality build and feature set.
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Mchart




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PostPosted: Tue, 25th Jun 2013 09:25    Post subject:
It is worth mentioning that if you really care about saving power that you should also upgrade your PSU. Besides getting components that use less power the efficiency of your power supply is hugely important.

1st,) Power supplies / rectifiers (AC -> DC) are most efficient when running at half load. This means you must buy based on what your total system wattage is.

2nd,) The best efficiency you'll get in the most ideal conditions with the highest end equipment is no higher then 94-95%. If you have a shitty old PSU that doesn't even have an 80 Plus + rating attached to it you can expect awful efficiency below 80%.

What does this mean? Well do the math. Even with the best rated power supply you still loose 5%. If you've got a run of the mill power supply it'll be likely 15% losses. More if you've got an older one.

Finally, the higher end supplies also have technology in them that allow them to use almost nothing while in standby state waiting for the power button to be pushed. Some older supplies use a god awful amount even when the computer isn't 'running'.

So there you have it.

And yes, if you care about power do not overclock.
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Ci2e




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PostPosted: Tue, 25th Jun 2013 15:57    Post subject:
Thanks for the advice buy me one and we can both be happy.
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Ci2e




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PostPosted: Wed, 14th Aug 2013 02:41    Post subject:
Upgrade is now complete here are some pictures...


Although I think I have an temps issue 52/55/60/55 and that is idle, before you all jump my case I always apply a small dot in the center and let the heat sink do the rest. So I'm thinking about buying the Corsair H100i does anyone have any suggestions?
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PostPosted: Wed, 14th Aug 2013 08:20    Post subject:
Are you sure that 1200w is enough? Laughing Can you even Mount H100i to that case?
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Ci2e




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PostPosted: Wed, 14th Aug 2013 13:17    Post subject:
There are 2 holes for tubing but if it is a closed loop I'd have to open it to get it through the holes or I could just mod the roof of the case, I don't think any other area works. I was thinking I could also leave it inside the case behind the hard drive cage, but then it would be dependent on the air coming from the front bottom of the case passing by the hard drives. I was thinking about replacing the fan in the back at the top or next to the motherboard for a single fan solution which would fit, or another aftermarket heatsink like the Titan Fenrir I already have which I don't think is LGA 1155 compatible. Or I could just buy another case meant for water cooling but this is only my second build in this case. Should I try reapplying the the thermal paste and apply more or less or are temps around 55C at idle normal?
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