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Neon
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PostPosted: Tue, 18th Jun 2013 15:32    Post subject: New PC time!
So I was thinking about buying a new PC, especially since the newer games automatically preset to "medium" these days Crying or Very sad

Ideally I would like the price to be <1000 EUR, but if the results are worth it the max is ~1200

Here's what I'm thinking of:


CPU: Intel Core i5 3570K 3,40 GHz BOX 3rd gen

Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-H77-DS3H

RAM: G.SKILL RipjawsX DDR3 2x8GB 1600MHz CL9

GPU: GeForce GTX 770 EVGA 2GB 2xDVI&HDMI&DP (PCI-E) Superclocked ACX Cooler NVIDIA GeForce Experience™

SSD: Samsung 2.5'' SSD 840 Series 120GB (Serial ATA3) Basic 7mm

PSU: Corsair TX750 V2 80 PLUS Bronze, ATX 750W, EU version

Case: BitFenix Shinobi

CPU Cooler: CoolerMaster Hyper 212 EVO

HDD: WD Blue 1TB WD10EZEX 64MB cache SATA-600

optical drive: Asus DVD+/-RW DRW-24B5ST/4F1ST bulk black (Serial ATA)


Any suggestions? I'll be playing in 1080p.
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PostPosted: Tue, 18th Jun 2013 15:38    Post subject:
I'm about to go out so I can't really microanalyse everything, but a cursory glance? That rig looks awesome! <3 If you can, maybe stretch to a 780 or perhaps even PAIR of 770s, but egh, that's overkill, the rest is great!
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PostPosted: Tue, 18th Jun 2013 16:39    Post subject:
Why such a boring case? Neutral


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PostPosted: Tue, 18th Jun 2013 16:41    Post subject:
Why not? I've had "gamer" cases and they're more flash than function in my experience. The Shinobi, or Corsair/Fractal equivalent, are usually more subdued in design but have great cooling and/or volume.
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PostPosted: Tue, 18th Jun 2013 16:45    Post subject:
Heh, i just got a weakness for NZXT cases. Sad


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PostPosted: Tue, 18th Jun 2013 16:54    Post subject:
Why the combination of a K cpu with a H77 mobo? If you want to overclock beyond 3.9Ghz, you will need a Z mobo. Else, if you dont plan on overclocking, you could aswell take a plain i5 3570 and save the money.

And I suppose you could save a few € on that PSU. 650W is more than enough.


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PostPosted: Tue, 18th Jun 2013 16:54    Post subject:
I love my Lexa but sadly the airflow sucks and as I found out, despite the chassis size, the internals aren't that large after all.
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PostPosted: Tue, 18th Jun 2013 17:14    Post subject:
couleur wrote:
Why the combination of a K cpu with a H77 mobo? If you want to overclock beyond 3.9Ghz, you will need a Z mobo. Else, if you dont plan on overclocking, you could aswell take a plain i5 3570 and save the money.

And I suppose you could save a few € on that PSU. 650W is more than enough.


Ah, good call on both of those.
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PostPosted: Tue, 18th Jun 2013 17:17    Post subject:
That's what you get for being tired >_< Sorry Neon, I didn't even notice the H77.
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PostPosted: Tue, 18th Jun 2013 17:28    Post subject:
Alright, I revised the list with a few things suggested here, how about this:


CPU: Intel Core i5 3570 3,40 GHz BOX 3rd gen

Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-H77-DS3H

RAM: G.SKILL RipjawsX DDR3 2x8GB 1600MHz CL9

GPU: GeForce GTX 770 EVGA 2GB 2xDVI&HDMI&DP (PCI-E) Superclocked ACX Cooler NVIDIA GeForce Experience™

SSD: Samsung 2.5'' SSD 840 Series 120GB (Serial ATA3) Basic 7mm

PSU: Corsair TX650 V2 80 PLUS Bronze, ATX 650W, EU version

Case: Fractal Design Define R4 USB 3.0 Black Pearl

CPU Cooler: CoolerMaster Hyper 212 EVO

HDD: WD Blue 1TB WD10EZEX 64MB cache SATA-600

optical drive: Asus DVD+/-RW DRW-24B5ST/4F1ST bulk black (Serial ATA)



So what about it? Smile Thanks for all the suggestions guys!


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PostPosted: Tue, 18th Jun 2013 17:35    Post subject:
I have the Fractal R4 myself, and I love the case. Very Happy


The rest looks good. I use a be quiet! Straight Power E9 CM 80+Gold 580W PSU atm. Its really quiet and compared to the TX650 it has a modular design, so cable management is way easier.

Since your mobo does not support SLI anyway (and you wont be able to use two Nvidias together needing the Watts), you could aswell go with an even lower PSU.

Have a look at this list to see how much an entire system can consume with a 780GTX. http://www.computerbase.de/artikel/grafikkarten/2013/nvidia-geforce-gtx-780-im-test/9/

edit: Sorry, you'll have the 770, so here:

http://www.computerbase.de/artikel/grafikkarten/2013/nvidia-geforce-gtx-770-im-test/9/

People who dont use two gfx cards in combination will most likely never use more than 450W.


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PostPosted: Tue, 18th Jun 2013 18:01    Post subject:
Neon, if you're going to be gaming and you want this to last - I strongly suggest going BACK to the K model (anyone saying "don't get a K" is just Facepalm, stop doing it Shoshomiga, just stop) and getting the overclocking-ready Z77 board. Buying an Intel chip and NOT being able to overclock is going to be incredibly detrimental and you're certainly regret it down the line.

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I believe vt-d is worth it because you can run a windows vm inside a linux host and get native performance when gaming (and your gpu is passed directly to the vm guest so you don't get any input lag either)


Yes because that's what all PC gamers want to do; run Windows on a Virtual Machine whilst running Linux.
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PostPosted: Tue, 18th Jun 2013 18:23    Post subject:
Alright, I revised it again:


CPU: Intel Core i5 3570K 3,40 GHz BOX 3rd gen

Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-Z77-D3H

RAM: G.SKILL RipjawsX DDR3 2x8GB 1600MHz CL9

GPU: GeForce GTX 770 EVGA 2GB 2xDVI&HDMI&DP (PCI-E) Superclocked ACX Cooler NVIDIA GeForce Experience™

SSD: Samsung 2.5'' SSD 840 Series 120GB (Serial ATA3) Basic 7mm

PSU: Corsair CX Series 600W ATX, Modular, 80 Plus Bronze (modular one, opted for more power just to be on the safe side, not sure if 450W is going to cut it)

Case: Fractal Design Core 3000 USB 3.0 Black (opted for the 3.0 since it's almost half the price of a 4.0, and the sound isn't really that much of an issue for me)

CPU Cooler: CoolerMaster Hyper 212 EVO

HDD: WD Blue 1TB WD10EZEX 64MB cache SATA-600

optical drive: Asus DVD+/-RW DRW-24B5ST/4F1ST bulk black (Serial ATA)


@Shoshomiga

Well, I don't even use Linux, so I don't care about vm really.
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PostPosted: Tue, 18th Jun 2013 18:26    Post subject:
Shoshomiga wrote:
Don't buy a K processor, intel artificially segment their market by disabling important features on the K series that are beneficial to professionals running vms, forcing them to buy xeons instead if they want higher performance

They also disable TSX which could be a big technology in the future for optimizing multithreaded programs: http://arstechnica.com/business/2012/02/transactional-memory-going-mainstream-with-intel-haswell/

If you buy a K series you are telling intel that its okay to continue with this shit, and that's not cool

Maybe a matter of telling them its ok by doing it yes, but not a matter of missing the features.
Like in the other thread, I got a K series and run VM's on it all the time for work. Not one issue with it. I've even ran EVE in 2 VM's on it before in full 3d and all was fine.

True that if your going to be running esxi or workstation and using the box as a root VMhost..but I really cant recommend him losing the overclocking greatness of a K, because he wont be able to do, what he will never do with it anyway.

What your telling him is "Dont get the one that is overclockable by a HUGE degree to gain performance in what you are using it for. Because others cant run VM clusters on it."


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PostPosted: Tue, 18th Jun 2013 18:34    Post subject:
@Neon

Lookin' tasty, my friend, looking very tasty indeed. What's the final price on that setup?
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PostPosted: Tue, 18th Jun 2013 18:37    Post subject:
5070 PLN, so just about ~1200 EUR (1191 to be exact)
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PostPosted: Tue, 18th Jun 2013 18:42    Post subject:
Oooh, right on the cusp of what you wanted to spend. Well I think it looks great, you've got enough power there to keep you gaming for quite some time. I don't think you'll be disappointed with anything.
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PostPosted: Tue, 18th Jun 2013 18:56    Post subject:
Its very good I think. There is not much room for optimization now. Some users may opt for other mobos (mainly ASRock for budget) but, you should be good price/performance wise. As far as I see(read), the D3H should be good enough for OCing Ivy-Bridge on air.

Nice to see you went for a modular PSU. You wont regret it and you wont miss the 50W either. Smile


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PostPosted: Tue, 18th Jun 2013 18:58    Post subject:
Looks like a very nice build Neon.


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PostPosted: Tue, 18th Jun 2013 19:08    Post subject:
couleur wrote:

Nice to see you went for a modular PSU. You wont regret it and you wont miss the 50W either. Smile


This I can second. After moving to a modular one, I couldn't imagine going back and fighting/hiding/bundling the extra cables anymore.


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PostPosted: Tue, 18th Jun 2013 20:42    Post subject:
Hmm, I just noticed that the SSD

( Samsung 2.5'' SSD 840 Series 120GB (Serial ATA3) Basic 7mm )


is filed under notebook SSD, does it make a difference? It's still 2,5". I haven't paid for the rig yet so I can change it
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PostPosted: Tue, 18th Jun 2013 20:53    Post subject:
Doesn't matter one bit.
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Thanks!
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PostPosted: Tue, 18th Jun 2013 21:01    Post subject:
Good setup overall btw. Only niggle for me is indeed the SSD; a Pro would've been nice, although you likely won't ever notice any difference in the real world.

That PSU is one of the better CWT builds as well; still not SS quality, but for that money it's pretty good Smile
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PostPosted: Tue, 18th Jun 2013 21:01    Post subject:
You MIGHT need to buy an adapter to fit in the HD slot, depends on if your case/SSD comes with one.
and the 2.5 is fine..the vast majority of the ones you buy are that size, regardless of its labeled as laptop or not.


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PostPosted: Tue, 18th Jun 2013 21:05    Post subject:
Awful cooler, mediocore PSU.

Swap the cooler for a Thermalright TrueSpirit if available, cheaper/similiar price and better.

And swap the PSU to something from Seasonic or any of their other brands (Rosewill etc) if available. Though they might not be that readily available as I think they are US branded PSUs that are not that common in Europe, but I could be wrong here.
Only one store sells them in Finland for example.

The CX600 is far from a 600W as it is advertised, it's more closer to a 500W than it is to 600W. (I think it's 40A on 12V rail?)
Not that you need more than 500W for a single GPU solution but still...

Werelds wrote:
Good setup overall btw. Only niggle for me is indeed the SSD; a Pro would've been nice, although you likely won't ever notice any difference in the real world.

That PSU is one of the better CWT builds as well; still not SS quality, but for that money it's pretty good Smile


The 840 series Samsung is a bit weird tbh, the 840 Pro has more similiar specs to the 830 than the regular 840 does.
If possible, buy the 830 instead of either of those, it is cheaper than the 840 Pro and better than the 840.
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PostPosted: Tue, 18th Jun 2013 21:11    Post subject:
I wouldn't label it as "awful cooler" thats giving the impression of down right useless. Id say more of a "there is slightly better alternatives"

The EVO has always been a relatively decent cooler overall.


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PostPosted: Tue, 18th Jun 2013 21:16    Post subject:
Also, great choice with the Hyper 212 Evo cooler Neon.

I went through probably 3 or 4 coolers until I settled for the Evo. Best cooler for the money honestly. Also you could add a 2nd fan to it for a nice push/pull combo. Might shave off 1-2 degrees off your CPU that way...

OC's will be a breeze Wink

***edit***

Just saw Stige's post. Gotta disagree with ya bud, I thought the Evo was pretty outstanding for the price, but hey to each his own Wink


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