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 Posted: Sat, 6th Jul 2013 17:14 Post subject: Why Ћ hell is my ip Ћ same after renewing. |
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TL-WR740N here. I am on a dhcp contract and my pc physical ip is connected to the contract, so they give me internet access. Upon this, a dynamic ip should be generated. I can renew it but it is always the same.... I have this router for a year or so and it's first time I needed to have new dynamic ip, but it doesn't work for some reason.
It totally worked with my older router. Wonder what is wrong, I've tried everything I knew. Also releasing and renewing from cmd. nothing. My acquired ip is always the same.
hmmmm
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LeoNatan
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| Posted: Sat, 6th Jul 2013 18:06 Post subject: |
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MAC address is likely used by your ISP. Randomize your MAC address in your router and try again.
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| Posted: Sat, 6th Jul 2013 18:23 Post subject: |
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Done all that. My mac is registered with my isp. But dynamic should be renewed whenever I want to.. but its not.
Cant change mac. (tried anyway) because my isp will not gran me internet access
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| Posted: Sat, 6th Jul 2013 18:27 Post subject: |
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WTF, so they only give you access to a specific MAC address? Shit ISP.
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| Posted: Sat, 6th Jul 2013 18:39 Post subject: |
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Yes, but why they limit your access to one MAC? Do you not have username+password?
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| Posted: Sat, 6th Jul 2013 18:46 Post subject: |
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No. it is strictly mac based
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| Posted: Sat, 6th Jul 2013 18:49 Post subject: |
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call your ISP and ask them why you wont get new IP
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| Posted: Sat, 6th Jul 2013 18:54 Post subject: |
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its weekend. I will TRY to call em on monday.
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| Posted: Sat, 6th Jul 2013 20:30 Post subject: |
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| KillerCrocker wrote: | TL-WR740N here. I am on a dhcp contract and my pc physical ip is connected to the contract, so they give me internet access. Upon this, a dynamic ip should be generated. I can renew it but it is always the same.... I have this router for a year or so and it's first time I needed to have new dynamic ip, but it doesn't work for some reason.
It totally worked with my older router. Wonder what is wrong, I've tried everything I knew. Also releasing and renewing from cmd. nothing. My acquired ip is always the same.
hmmmm |
If you have a router and assuming you have DHCP on it turned (which you do, since you've got multiple devices connected), you get your IP from the router, not from the ISP.
Log into your router to see if you've got a static lease assigned to your PC's MAC.
In case you want a new _EXTERNAL_ IP (I wouldn't know why you'd want that), then renewing from commandline has no effect, since that releases the DHCP lease your PC got from your router, not the one your router got from your ISP. For that, log into your router and press the release button there.
I don't know which of the two situations applies here, I do know that your wording is all wrong. Below's the relevant bits from my router (also TP-Link).
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Internal static leases (yes, I do have 5 static IP's assigned  ). |
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| Posted: Sat, 6th Jul 2013 20:45 Post subject: |
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| Sin317 wrote: | | i was wondering if ipconfig /release and ipconfig /renew wouldn't actually work in this case. Guess it could/would And a ipconfig /flushdns just for good measure |
That would not help, because that would release the IP on the PC from the router, not the IP of the router from the ISP. |
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| Posted: Sat, 6th Jul 2013 21:36 Post subject: |
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| LeoNatan wrote: | | WTF, so they only give you access to a specific MAC address? Shit ISP. |
Why is that shit? Our ISP has specific cable modems/router for the connection, which has it's MAC linked to your account 
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| Posted: Sat, 6th Jul 2013 21:48 Post subject: |
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Because it restricts you like crazy. You change your router want to mix things up and connect the PC directly - boom no internet. You go to a friend's house and want to use your crazy fast connection instead of his slow one, you can't. It's stupid.
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| Posted: Sat, 6th Jul 2013 22:08 Post subject: |
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You can change router fine. It's only the external MAC that matters, internally there's 0 restrictions; and even then, you can just put a different MAC on the outgoing connection, it'll just take a few hours before the servers recognise it.
They used to do it with hostnames instead, but they switched to this method because now it's a matter of plugging in the modem and job done. That said, I don't have a modem with built-in router functionality (I still got an old one Saus  ) and even if they did supply one, I'd turn that crap off since their Wi-Fi's always gonna be shit.
And I suppose you can log in with some user/password Leo? That wouldn't work here. First of all we've got three separate types of internet (DSL, Cable, Fiber) with the latter having the lowest presence but growing and the former rapidly dropping. The copper lines for DSL are almost all owned by KPN, but Fiber is owned by any of a dozen companies. Cable is now mostly under control of just two companies, but up until the mergers a few years ago, every municipality practically had separate owners. And they still have their own maintenance companies for them. So simply "switching" to your ISP with a username and password just isn't possible, because the cabling has to be present first. Next they'd have to have some contract in place with whatever company controls the cabling you happen to be using. Plus obviously they wouldn't want you to "share" connections like that
Maybe in Israel everything is DSL running off government-controlled lines, but there's too much variation here to make that possible
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| Posted: Sat, 6th Jul 2013 22:12 Post subject: |
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Most ISP's here (in the US) do give you a dynamic IP, of sorts.
Its not static, but it is leased for 72 hours at a time, that auto renews when the 72 hours is up.
So technically you could have the same IP for years, even with rebooting the modem. Only time you get a new one is when your modem is offline long enough, or just happens to be off during the end of its 72 hour cycle, for the system to think that IP is 'free' of its lease time, and gets assigned to someone else.
Its like living in an apartment, you may seem to have a static home address, because you keep going to the same house, but don't pay the rent on the first, and they assume you don't need that address and give it to someone else. you go tell them "no no I just wasn't around to reclaim that address I want it back" they go "sorry we let someone else move in, we have to give you a new apartment, we checked and no one was home on the 1st, we thought it wasn't used"
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None of that is convincing. A lot of bla bla bla to excuse a shit service. The consumer loses. It's possible, just not convenient to big business. 
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| Posted: Sat, 6th Jul 2013 23:18 Post subject: |
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| DXWarlock wrote: | Most ISP's here (in the US) do give you a dynamic IP, of sorts.
Its not static, but it is leased for 72 hours at a time, that auto renews when the 72 hours is up.
So technically you could have the same IP for years, even with rebooting the modem. Only time you get a new one is when your modem is offline long enough, or just happens to be off during the end of its 72 hour cycle, for the system to think that IP is 'free' of its lease time, and gets assigned to someone else. |
Same here. I can put my router into modem mode, and yeah that limits what I can do, but then I get a new IP address while in modem mode and then once the lease runs out on the old IP add put it back into router mode and have a new IP address.
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| Posted: Sun, 7th Jul 2013 00:29 Post subject: |
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This might be a stupid question but did you check if your ISP is using a certain VLAN port?
What type of wan connection is it (Ethernet, coax, DSL)?
If it's ethernet, what happens when you just plug the lan cable from the socket into your computer, does the problem persist?
Is the modem/router the only gateway out of your flat?
How far can you ping out (if the router is getting an IP)?
Try doing a tracert to google.com and see where it times out.
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Mother of god those silly restrictions!
I think I'll be happy with my 24/1 now, without any silly restrictions or anything like that lol in here.
In here, you plugin your modem to the wall, PC to modem and voila you got interwebs, no hassle or anything at all.
I think it's 5 dynamic IPs per household but I think I have had upto 7 connected without any issues.
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| Posted: Sun, 7th Jul 2013 11:31 Post subject: |
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| sausje wrote: | | Still got the old Motorola one? Or the old Ubee? Or the Cisco? |
Motorola
| DXWarlock wrote: | | So technically you could have the same IP for years, even with rebooting the modem. Only time you get a new one is when your modem is offline long enough, or just happens to be off during the end of its 72 hour cycle, for the system to think that IP is 'free' of its lease time, and gets assigned to someone else. |
Same here. I've been on the same IP for 4 years now, even though it is "dynamic". It's just very long leases 
| LeoNatan wrote: | | None of that is convincing. A lot of bla bla bla to excuse a shit service. The consumer loses. It's possible, just not convenient to big business. |
Of course. But it just wouldn't work here, even if they wanted to. Again, in Israel you probably only get DSL or Fiber, with 95% being on DSL running off government owned lines. That hasn't been the case for a very long time here (cable's never been government-owned, phone's been privatised for close to 20 years). Connections are made per house. My cousin for example, lives less than a kilometer away and even if I just had a user/pass to log in with, I wouldn't be able to get on the internet there. Because I have cable, he has DSL. His house isn't hooked up to the cable network at all (IPTV, so no need). Similarly, I haven't had a phone line here for years (again, IP), so his DSL logins wouldn't work either.
Not sure if plugging in my modem on someone else's cable connection would work actually; should really try that. Neighbour has a 60 meg line instead of 120, wonder if he could abuse the 120 while I'm on holiday
| KillerCrocker wrote: | | I have router set to dynamic, dhcp enabled and still - I am getting the same ip address for months now. I cannot change it. |
Well then it's just a very long lease or they switch to static IPs per MAC
Again, don't bother releasing from commandline when you're connected to the router. The release button on the router should work, if they still do proper DHCP leasing. |
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| Posted: Sun, 7th Jul 2013 12:00 Post subject: |
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Just to recap.
What exactly is the problem?
Do you just want to get a new IP on the router or is the router not at all recognized by the ISP's DHCP?
If it is as Werleds says and you want to change IP on the router then that's where you have to start trying to mess around with.
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