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 Posted: Fri, 12th Jul 2013 17:43 Post subject: Random crashes |
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So last week while playing games my comp just crashed, shut down. And I wanted to see what was the problem.
I was playing Bioshock Infinite, and the temps on my proc were going to 90°C according to HW monitor :\
So I cleaned everything, applied new paste (the one on proc was all dried up), and now the temps were better.
But now, out of the sudden the comp crashed again! And I wasn't even doing anything (reading some pdf).
I checked the temps, and the max for proc is 40°C, which is fine.
I went to event viewer to see if there's anything there and I saw this:
googling it doesn't say much, just an unexpected shut down, BugCheck codes are all 0.
This happened twice today :\
Is my PSU dying?
"Quantum mechanics is actually, contrary to it's reputation, unbeliveably simple, once you take the physics out."
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Sin317
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| Posted: Fri, 12th Jul 2013 18:10 Post subject: |
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maybe the crash caused by the temp corrupted some system files.
did you do a "sfc /scannow ?"
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Stige
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| Posted: Fri, 12th Jul 2013 18:31 Post subject: |
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| Sin317 wrote: | maybe the crash caused by the temp corrupted some system files.
did you do a "sfc /scannow ?" |
This seems to be a pretty annoying trend with Ivy Bridge CPUs atleast, issue I never had with my 2500K (Sandy).
I got some corrupted files aswell with this 3570K when I was finding stable clocks for it and had to reinstall to fix that shit, so annoying...
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| Posted: Fri, 12th Jul 2013 18:51 Post subject: |
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| Stige wrote: | | Sin317 wrote: | maybe the crash caused by the temp corrupted some system files.
did you do a "sfc /scannow ?" |
This seems to be a pretty annoying trend with Ivy Bridge CPUs atleast, issue I never had with my 2500K (Sandy).
I got some corrupted files aswell with this 3570K when I was finding stable clocks for it and had to reinstall to fix that shit, so annoying... |
I had similar crashes and restarts. My error was a 0x5c I believe however, had to increase my CPU voltage by .020 to get it stable, fine ever since.
Can also run some memtest+ to be sure...
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| Posted: Fri, 12th Jul 2013 19:11 Post subject: |
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My friend had a similar problem recently. He couldn't play a game for longer than 40 minutes without his PC just shutting down. Turned out to be a hardware issue with the GPU (was an old card).
But really it could be anything, corrupt file, PSU, CPU, memory, GPU, etc...Try running some stress tests on the CPU, and then on the GPU. See if it crashes sooner if either of those is stressed, which might indicate a problem with the component.
Also as the guys suggested, scan your system files for errors and test your memory.
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| Posted: Fri, 12th Jul 2013 22:51 Post subject: |
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Well I have old Athlon II X3, so it's not Ivy Bridge issue, but damn, it could be anything 
I cannot afford a new comp now :\
Any recommendations for stress tests? I heard that memtets takes a day :\
"Quantum mechanics is actually, contrary to it's reputation, unbeliveably simple, once you take the physics out."
Scott Aaronson | chiv wrote: | | thats true you know. newton didnt discover gravity. the apple told him about it, and then he killed it. the core was never found. |
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| Posted: Fri, 12th Jul 2013 23:01 Post subject: |
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| dingo_d wrote: | | I heard that memtets takes a day :\ |
usually there is no instafix for problem like this, it takes time and patience to test everything.
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| Posted: Fri, 12th Jul 2013 23:47 Post subject: |
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I did the sfc scan, and I had some corrupted files
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2013-07-12 23:21:56, Info CSI 00000467 [SR] Repairing corrupted file [ml:60{30},l:58{29}]"\??\C:\Windows\SysWOW64\en-US"\[l:46{23}]"windows.ui.xaml.dll.mui" from store
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I'll see if I get any more crashes.
"Quantum mechanics is actually, contrary to it's reputation, unbeliveably simple, once you take the physics out."
Scott Aaronson | chiv wrote: | | thats true you know. newton didnt discover gravity. the apple told him about it, and then he killed it. the core was never found. |
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| Posted: Sat, 13th Jul 2013 09:11 Post subject: |
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Ok, great, this time my comp was working but my screen just went out, like when you shut down your comp and the monitor started finding the signal (analog/digital)...
Fuck :\
I got another critical error :\ Something with power is not working (((
"Quantum mechanics is actually, contrary to it's reputation, unbeliveably simple, once you take the physics out."
Scott Aaronson | chiv wrote: | | thats true you know. newton didnt discover gravity. the apple told him about it, and then he killed it. the core was never found. |
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Sin317
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| Posted: Sat, 13th Jul 2013 09:14 Post subject: |
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why you think his is power / psu related ? I somewhat doubt that tbh.
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| Posted: Sat, 13th Jul 2013 23:13 Post subject: |
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Well the error says Kernel Power, I dk if it's PSU, it is Corsair VX series which were supposed to be good, but I dk at this point. I made a backup of my work for uni, that is kinda important atm, just to be safe...
"Quantum mechanics is actually, contrary to it's reputation, unbeliveably simple, once you take the physics out."
Scott Aaronson | chiv wrote: | | thats true you know. newton didnt discover gravity. the apple told him about it, and then he killed it. the core was never found. |
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| Posted: Sat, 13th Jul 2013 23:14 Post subject: |
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| dingo_d wrote: | | Well the error says Kernel Power, I dk if it's PSU, it is Corsair VX series which were supposed to be good, but I dk at this point. I made a backup of my work for uni, that is kinda important atm, just to be safe... |
Nah, IIRC that kernel power error is fairly common and really not related with the PSU.
| boundle (thoughts on cracking AITD) wrote: | | i guess thouth if without a legit key the installation was rolling back we are all fucking then |
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| Posted: Sat, 13th Jul 2013 23:26 Post subject: |
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Run Process Explorer and post the processes list.
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| Posted: Sun, 14th Jul 2013 07:48 Post subject: |
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That kernel power error just means your PC didn't shut down properly last time. It won't tell you much about the actual problem that caused it to shutdown.
Run prime95 to stress test your CPU. I'm not sure about GPU stress test, but I heard good things about furmark.
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Stige
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| Posted: Sun, 14th Jul 2013 09:01 Post subject: |
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| BearishSun wrote: | That kernel power error just means your PC didn't shut down properly last time. It won't tell you much about the actual problem that caused it to shutdown.
Run prime95 to stress test your CPU. I'm not sure about GPU stress test, but I heard good things about furmark. |
Quite the opposite, Furmark is not in any way a good way to test your stability.
Only "use" for it might be running IBT and Furmark at the same time to see if your PSU is enough but using Furmark to test stability is a very bad idea.
You are much better off running things like Heaven/Valley (Maybe newest 3DMark? Not sure if it stresses enough yet).
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| Posted: Sun, 14th Jul 2013 09:11 Post subject: |
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I avoided mentioning Heaven/Valley/3D mark as they stress the CPU and memory as well so it's hard to tell which is the culprit of the crash.
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| Quote: | | FurMark is a very intensive OpenGL benchmark that uses fur rendering algorithms to measure the performance of the graphics card. Fur rendering is especially adapted to overheat the GPU and that's why FurMark is also a perfect stability and stress test tool (also called GPU burner) for the graphics card. |
That sounds good to me though ^^
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| Posted: Sun, 14th Jul 2013 09:36 Post subject: |
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| LeoNatan wrote: | | Run Process Explorer and post the processes list. |
Here, oh and all of a sudden my monitor color profile is boinkers :S It reverted to Samsung color profile (yellow tint) :S
I'll dl prime95 and run it...
"Quantum mechanics is actually, contrary to it's reputation, unbeliveably simple, once you take the physics out."
Scott Aaronson | chiv wrote: | | thats true you know. newton didnt discover gravity. the apple told him about it, and then he killed it. the core was never found. |
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Stige
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| Posted: Sun, 14th Jul 2013 10:47 Post subject: |
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| BearishSun wrote: | I avoided mentioning Heaven/Valley/3D mark as they stress the CPU and memory as well so it's hard to tell which is the culprit of the crash.
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| Quote: | | FurMark is a very intensive OpenGL benchmark that uses fur rendering algorithms to measure the performance of the graphics card. Fur rendering is especially adapted to overheat the GPU and that's why FurMark is also a perfect stability and stress test tool (also called GPU burner) for the graphics card. |
That sounds good to me though ^^ |
It might sound good but in reality it isn't.
You can run FurMark at any clocks basicly and think it's stable, then you enter a game and get an instant driver reset regardless.
Trust me, I have been there, I thought my first HD7950 was insane clocker (Ran maxed CCC clocks on default voltages on FurMark without any issues but launching a game caused driver reset instantly).
Valley/Heaven put very little stress on your CPU, 3DMark on the other hand does that and you are propably right there.
So Valley/Heaven are the better options for stressing your GPU then.
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