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| psikobare wrote: |
the point is that you need to pay in-game credit on a regular basis just to play the game (flying without insurance is a huge risk, especially in UEE systems if i remember), |
So, you don't need to pay insurance to play the game, it's just you should.
That's what you just said, right?
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proekaan
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| Posted: Sun, 14th Jul 2013 14:07 Post subject: |
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| Pixieking wrote: | | psikobare wrote: |
the point is that you need to pay in-game credit on a regular basis just to play the game (flying without insurance is a huge risk, especially in UEE systems if i remember), |
So, you don't need to pay insurance to play the game, it's just you should.
That's what you just said, right? |
yes, but insurance is just one of the many expenses you have:
| Quote: | | insurance should be a relatively small part of your regular in game expenses which will also include paying landing fees, trade tariffs (if in a system with lots of infrastructure and law and order), fuel (if you don’t collect it yourself from a gas giant), buying cargo to trade, hiring help, making upgrades to your ship or even buying a whole new ship. |
https://robertsspaceindustries.com/comm-link/transmission/12820-Insurance-FAQ-And-Update
again, if you play a lot, you should be able to afford these regular expenses with ingame credits, but not everyone will be able to generate a steady and/or sufficient income to do so
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Stige
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| Posted: Sun, 14th Jul 2013 15:12 Post subject: |
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| Werelds wrote: | WoW is probably the best failed PvP example, thanks for bringing that one up because I'm gonna have a field day with this. When it comes to 1v1, it has always been Class vs Class. In teams, that would be a good thing as it would force you to think about your setup and tactics, except that it has made it incredibly boring instead. Why? Because everyone wants the same kind of setups.
WoW has never been about player skills and all Blizzard have done with every patch (not my words, this is from a friend who actually did it professionally for a while) is fuck that up further with utterly retarded changes that suddenly render certain classes virtually useless and make others a must-have. Class (-setup in a team) matters more than gear, gear matters more than tactics, tactics matter more than skill. That's why WoW as an e-sport failed so miserably. It should have tactics and player skill at the top and they're not. |
Who said anything about 1v1 balance lol, that is the most retarded idea ever, 3v3 is where it's at.
And if you think everyone plays the same setup, think again.
www.arena-tournament.com will prove you wrong any day, skill > gear (Except on retail where it's all about PVE gear always...).
Cata 3v3 Ladder = 8 different setups in top 10.
WotLK 3v3 Ladder = 7 different setups.
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| Posted: Sun, 14th Jul 2013 15:50 Post subject: |
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Before this gets out of hand, please take your WoW PvP diskussion to the WoW thread. Highly doubt people who follow this thread cares about it.
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| Posted: Sun, 14th Jul 2013 16:32 Post subject: |
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| psikobare wrote: | the point is that you need to pay in-game credit on a regular basis just to play the game (flying without insurance is a huge risk, especially in UEE systems if i remember), and the more you play (more and bigger ships, more and more expansive equipments that also needs insurance) the more you need to pay (with credits), which not everybody might have, hence the need to buy ingame credits, on a regular basis
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No, what you're describing there is people looking for instant gratification whilst at the same time looking to be "the best". So will the lazy buy credits? Yes. Will the "hardcore" competitive players buy credits? Yes. Will the average player who won't even be able to play much? No. Because they play the game to play the game. Look at MMORPGs like WoW, the people buying gold there are the ones that are min-maxing like crazy. The majority of players, the casual ones, do not give a fuck if it takes 1 week or 2 weeks to get something. The whole point is that they play exactly to get there, not to get there right now. They've said in one of the videos that there'll be plenty of missions to do that are without risk; they'll pay less obviously, but even if you're not into PvP, you don't HAVE to risk losing it all.
Don't get me wrong, you're right in that that's their plan to monetise the game, I just don't see any NEED to buy credits. Not going by what they've said so far anyway.
@ Stige: was gonna post more but:
| Stige wrote: | | www.arena-tournament.com |
Bravo, private server with custom patches, that's absolutely representative 
And I suggest you take another look at the setups there. Slight variations, but paladins are overrepresented, rogues are practically missing in WotLK, priests/mages/DKs are underrepresented and so on. Setups are far from arbitrary and there's 4-5 classes of which all the top setups are made in both ladders and even then there's a distinct pattern to which classes are combined. Which is my point; if skill mattered, you'd see infinite variation and rogues would definitely be there much more. Instead, 50+% of the available classes are practically missing.
@ bond1974: I don't see why not. The MP in this will have plenty of PvP, it's only natural to take a look at how it should *not* be done. |
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| Posted: Sun, 14th Jul 2013 22:07 Post subject: |
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| proekaan wrote: | So...I would like to add a question since I haven't followed this AT ALL.
I love space sims as much as the next guy and would like to know how the sp part is implemented in the game?
Is it like story focused missions in a mmo world or a totally separate game?
I don't plan on playing the mp at all(since I suck and I hate ppl  )... |
There will be a complete SP campaign called Squadron 42 which you play the part of a fighter pilot with something like 27+ missions, and I believe that will be expanded during the life of the game.
Saying that tho, the vast majority of the game is MMO, and I would say to really get your moneys worth, you would be playing the game EVE style (without the spreadsheets), as you explore, mine, trade, pirate and defend players and in-game corps (I believe there are SP 'PvE' style missions too).
For more, you should probably check the site cos more and more info is being added almost daily.
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Stige
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| Posted: Thu, 1st Aug 2013 22:22 Post subject: |
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Holy shit 15mil, that has to be the most crowd funded thing ever in terms of money. Really hope they can live up to hype with this thing, because if this monster fails, then it will leave great impact on other crowdfunding projects.
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| Posted: Thu, 1st Aug 2013 22:25 Post subject: |
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Goddammit!
| Quote: | $17 million
Ship upgrade package for every pledger containing an engine modifier.
Additional flyable ship class: battlecruiser |
I've already spent a fortune on this game . GO FOR BROKE!! I WANT a battlecruiser!
| couleur wrote: | | Everything I don't understand is a mental disorder. |
| couleur wrote: | | If the illegals are drowning its their fault for attempting to cross the river in the first place. Especially the children. /s |
| russ80 wrote: | | Who cares about gameplay. It's one of the few next-gen looking titles out there so BRING IT ON. |
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| Posted: Thu, 1st Aug 2013 22:57 Post subject: |
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And its gonna flop on release.
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| Posted: Thu, 1st Aug 2013 23:00 Post subject: |
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| Posted: Thu, 1st Aug 2013 23:11 Post subject: |
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As long as they deliver what they've stated they intend to, or come really close to it (may need some fine tuning post launch for example), I see no issue why it should flop. They are showing progress at a decent rate as well, so far, so my hope is high for this.
Besides, Chris seems very dedicated to his craft and I'd like to think we can trust him delivering.
I'd be rather sad/disappointed if this failed. Then again, having another decent space sim to play would be just about good enough anyway. Like Sabin said, FL 2.0 would be awesome. It's sad that we've become that desperate hehe  .
| couleur wrote: | | Everything I don't understand is a mental disorder. |
| couleur wrote: | | If the illegals are drowning its their fault for attempting to cross the river in the first place. Especially the children. /s |
| russ80 wrote: | | Who cares about gameplay. It's one of the few next-gen looking titles out there so BRING IT ON. |
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| Posted: Mon, 5th Aug 2013 01:58 Post subject: |
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| Posted: Mon, 5th Aug 2013 03:49 Post subject: |
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Stop playing at work you lazy bum
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| Posted: Wed, 7th Aug 2013 16:43 Post subject: |
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According to pc gamer mag UK.
"Early footage shows capital ships and fighters, the latter defending the former from a pirate raid as the bigger barge flies through the asteroid field. Roberts used this footage to describe Star Citizen's mission system:pilots will be able to learn the space-ropes as part of the singleplayer campaign following the story of Squadron 42, a volunteer unit in the United Empire of Earth's navy. The UEE is one of Star Citizen's six known civilisations, but Roberts says players won't need to enlist in their military to see the galaxy. Pilots can dodge the draft and blast off into the cosmos to seek their own fortunes.
There, They'll be able to wheel and deal on the dynamic trading market. Star Citizen's economy is based on supply and demand, and Roberts' system will kick out missions depending on the materials manufacturers require. Roberts provides the example of a munitions factory that puts a notice on the game's mission board, asking for three tonnes of metal alloys. If the pilot - human or AI - gets attacked en route and can't complete the mission, there will be a shortfall in missiles.
That shortfall will be felt by others in the universe. Star Citizen has a persistent multiplayer world, using instancing to reduce numbers in busy areas to curtail prohibitive server costs.
Players will also be able to run their own servers, complete with mods."
www.robertsspaceindustries.com
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dr-nix
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| Posted: Wed, 7th Aug 2013 19:26 Post subject: |
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bani789: they will be releasing it in modules.
Hangar module - august 24th
Dogfighting module - around december 2013/january 2014
Social/Planetside module - around march/april 2014
SP alpha (Squadron 42) - August 2014
Persistent universe Beta - Late 2014
And they are aiming to release the game early 2015
Please note that these modules will be work in progress. They will use feedback from backers to help development. And test how stuff works. Like how many users you can have in one instance and so on.
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| Posted: Fri, 16th Aug 2013 21:42 Post subject: |
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| Posted: Fri, 16th Aug 2013 22:00 Post subject: |
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rsi constellation
starting at $225
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| Posted: Sat, 17th Aug 2013 00:18 Post subject: |
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Ok ok ok feel me in guys... So you need to donate $ to get a ship/game what ever? Once this "wapor ware" is released and I buy it at steam for like 50Euros I'll still suck because I only bought the " standard" package? And John Doe boughjt the Deluxe patina edition for 50 000 Euros
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| Posted: Sat, 17th Aug 2013 00:19 Post subject: |
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No, you don't. Every ship and item and weapon in the game can be acquired IN the game via gameplay, the dollar prices for these items are just for people that want head starts without the work. You DO have to buy the game though, that's just normal, the rest is all acquired via gameplay if you want -- I think the only difference will be backer/preorder exclusive items such as ship/character skins and lifetime insurance.
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