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 Posted: Wed, 21st Aug 2013 11:05 Post subject: |
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I posted earlier in the thread that I used Savoy for my first serious game, and that they felt like a good country for beginners. I've since finished that game and have to agree with my initial impression. You might not be able to rule the world your first go, but you can learn the basics of diplomacy and unite Italy within the time frame of the game if you're reasonably focused even as a novice. You can turn on bonus and/or turn down the difficulty if need be.
My second game is as Muscovy, which after my Savoy experience is a lot easier. I learned all about the vassal system, annexing, etc. in EU4 from my Savoy game, which was extremely handy in dealing with Muscovy's starting position (3 vassals and 2 other potentials). In other words, one game with a lesser state has taught me enough to really kick ass with a state with Muscovy's potential, so the learning curve in this game isn't too terrible.
Muscovy is a fun choice because I intend to form Russia and then become Defender of the Orthodox faith. Should put have me locking horns with the HRE eventually, I expect some epic battles. Savoy had to face a united HRE late in the game because of Maria Theresa I, so I want a little bit of revenge.
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hirschq
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Doh!
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kumkss
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| Posted: Wed, 21st Aug 2013 17:10 Post subject: |
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Guys, how many administrative / diplomatic points are you getting monthly? I think i'm stucking at that...
And, i haven't managed the trade system well so far... any good guide to learn how to handle it in a rental manner?
I'm playing with Brandenburg now and it is SO much easier than Bavaria...
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mtj
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| Posted: Wed, 21st Aug 2013 17:51 Post subject: |
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| kumkss wrote: | Guys, how many administrative / diplomatic points are you getting monthly? I think i'm stucking at that...
And, i haven't managed the trade system well so far... any good guide to learn how to handle it in a rental manner?
I'm playing with Brandenburg now and it is SO much easier than Bavaria... |
You get a base of 3 + the skill of your ruler + the skill of administrator amount of points.
So, in total 3 - 12 / month
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| Posted: Wed, 21st Aug 2013 18:21 Post subject: |
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| Casus wrote: | | Doh! wrote: | | Casus wrote: | Yes, let's dismiss the opinions of other people to make ourselves feel better.
Note that I've never said I find EU bad games or that they're impossible to understand - though they do have quite a learning curve (let me guess, you're too godlike to agree). They just lack the kind of feedback and tangible feeling I enjoy in strategy games.
But whatever, I know this is the hump - this is where you need to look down upon people who don't agree with you and pretend your favorite games are perfect in every way and people who can't see that are morons.
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Well if you actually looked, you would see I spent my time actually trying to help you.
So that last post just proved you to be an ass. Good luck with that. |
No, you denied that the game was abstract and basically told me I was too stupid to understand it.
How kind of you!
No worries, though. I'm used to the hump about now. I don't expect much. |
I really don't see how you could draw that conclusion, I think it's just your misguided interpretation. Where you in response sort to these petty attacks, with smilies. And you almost immediately go into the trench and starts abusing - it's a really common reaction, but flawed imo. Go through it again, I think you are wrong to reach this angrily on this one.
Not sure if I agree with your definition of what a grand strategy games are, I thought civ and orion where more in the 4x category? Not that it really matters a great deal.
I'm just starting to realize how useful annexing vassals is, you get cores when you annex them! I have this decent morocco game going, conquered Algeria, before I figured out to annex Tripoli(berber states cost aloooot to core) Granada also fell to me, where as Spain now declare wars against me every 5 years. It's a bitch to hold, but two wars in, I still hold the granada lands. The key as been naval supremacy.
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kumkss
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| Posted: Wed, 21st Aug 2013 19:17 Post subject: |
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How much income I'm supposed to have at the beginning of the game and after some 15 years? I'm generating barely 1.03 or so, as Brandenburg with 4 provinces and an army of 13. Is that acceptable?
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| Posted: Wed, 21st Aug 2013 19:33 Post subject: |
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| kumkss wrote: | | How much income I'm supposed to have at the beginning of the game and after some 15 years? I'm generating barely 1.03 or so, as Brandenburg with 4 provinces and an army of 13. Is that acceptable? |
yes, from my experience with Portugal always struggling to stay a float on the first decades (guess some things never change) Apart from setting the maintenance sliders on army and navy there isn't much you can do (or I don´t know about). I usually set the maintenance to half on army going to 0 if needed.
Of-course if in a war --> loans...hopefully you win an manage to squeeze some ducats from your peace deal.
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| Posted: Wed, 21st Aug 2013 23:02 Post subject: |
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I suspect AI is cheating when it comes to battleground terrain.
Whenever I'm attacking I get to fight on mountains and when he does it it's plans...
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| Posted: Thu, 22nd Aug 2013 02:56 Post subject: |
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Doh!
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| Posted: Thu, 22nd Aug 2013 04:21 Post subject: |
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| kumkss wrote: | | How much income I'm supposed to have at the beginning of the game and after some 15 years? I'm generating barely 1.03 or so, as Brandenburg with 4 provinces and an army of 13. Is that acceptable? |
Ya quite normal, your army has doubled in size, but you havent gained any lands at all??
You can see your army limit with that red button where you hire troops. Going over the army limit will make them cost more.
Start of the game go out guns blazing for any cores you have (Neumark mission in your case) and take out high tax and or high manpower lands. Dont overextent - use the time between wars to core your newly gained lands and let the war exhaust go down. Improve relations with your big nabours and now that your waring around the HRE please Austria or howevers in charge.
If you want to restart with Brandenburg try this:
Day 1:
Take the mission: Claim Neumark
Ally with Poland and Austria.
Day 4:
Marriage with Bohemia. (and nobody else for now)
Improve relations with Austria
Day 34: Claim throne of Bohemia.
Day 64: Make sure your allies are ready (not already in wars) and actually will support you in the fight. Declare war over the throne of Bohemia. Sit back while Austria and Poland smash Bohemia into the ground. A year or so later, you now rule Bohemia in a Personal Union.
While at war with Bohemia make claims on all your nabours and marriage with Poland and Austria (they are very good friends to have as Brandenburg).
Day whatever after winning the fight over Bohemia:
Bohemia is now slowly getting back on its feet and re-making an army that will support you blindly.
After claims are pretty much done, start improving your relations with Bohemia (you want to reach good relations by the time your King kicks the bucket, so you can continue the PU and later annex the lands of Bohemia into Brandenburg (Bohemias lands are a bitch to core, so they are the perfect target of PU).
Now its time for making use of those claims and actually finish your "Take Neumark" mission.
You should still be allied with Austria and Poland. Poland should be eager to join your fight atleast. Go take Neumark. And after that make way into Lübeck and take that land, so you have a better grasp at the trade node there. A good idea is to wage war in different directions (so it wont be the same nations that get extra pissed off each time) so that would mean taking out Denmark and going east (but try and keep your border with Poland small) another good reason for this is that going those directions wont make you war over HRE lands each time.
As a warmonger take a ADM +1 advisor as soon as you can afford it. With allies such as Austria and Poland, you can be pretty sure you wont get attacked, so make sure you decrease your wages for the army when not at war. Now its the balance game of not taking too many lands even when you have the power to do it.
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kumkss
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| Posted: Thu, 22nd Aug 2013 05:18 Post subject: |
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Doh! thats a good suggestion!! thx!!
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| Posted: Thu, 22nd Aug 2013 19:03 Post subject: |
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3DMGAME-Europa.Universalis.IV.v1.1.2.Update.Incl.7.DLCs.and.Crack-3DM
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| Posted: Thu, 22nd Aug 2013 19:25 Post subject: |
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| oblaz wrote: | | 3DMGAME-Europa.Universalis.IV.v1.1.2.Update.Incl.7.DLCs.and.Crack-3DM |
works fine. |
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| Posted: Thu, 22nd Aug 2013 19:57 Post subject: |
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| oblaz wrote: | | 3DMGAME-Europa.Universalis.IV.v1.1.2.Update.Incl.7.DLCs.and.Crack-3DM |
Can this be used with FLT release to get all the DLCs?
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| Posted: Thu, 22nd Aug 2013 20:01 Post subject: |
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| Posted: Fri, 23rd Aug 2013 03:15 Post subject: |
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Nothing on terrain advantage. So, I'll assume AI cheats. 
Btw, those Japanese factions sure are fucked up. I'm playing Korea and while I'm checking neighbours for cash, Ryukyu a very small independant kingdom on some God forsaken island, had some 800 ducats in its treasury! So I fire up a test attack to see how I can get that cash, and it was easy. 100 war score, I make em vassals and take everything from their treasury. Now I had to give 2 stability points, but 800 ducats sure is worth it. Still I was curious how much they can hoard (well, I wanted to make em my private bank). I reloaded, proclaimed guarantee over them, and played normally on.
In 1500 they are at 2822 ducats, third after Ming at second place!
Now them having so much cash could be logical, they get a lot of trade and they have nothing to spend it on. Coincidently a lot of regular Japanese Daimyos are also high on treasury list. In the meantime something even weirder happened to that island! Yamana another Daimyo must have completely bugged out (or they found whole fucking Eldorado!) and now have exactly 897186.79 ducats!!!
I'm right in the process of planning on how to get my hands on that cash.  I'm guessing I'll have to attack Japan, force them to release Yamana, then attack and make vassals out of Yamana. First part certainly wont be easy.
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hirschq
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| Posted: Fri, 23rd Aug 2013 11:17 Post subject: |
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| Paradoxplaza wrote: | Now, a list of how it actually cheats:
- AI does not get naval attrition. It does avoid going too far out of range with most of its naval operations though, to somewhat simulate it.
- AI can see through fog of war, but pretends it can't in most cases.
- AI gets +1 diplomat that it reserves for non-maintained actions because the diplomatic AI 'ticks' means that it can't do the recall-send strategy that players do with maintained diplomats.
- AI gets +1 free leader pool because it's not nearly as good as a human at planning out when it will need leaders and needs to keep them on hand always.
- AI does not pay hiring costs for advisors, only maintenance, because their hiring code isn't that good and otherwise they waste a lot of money.
- AI can reassign admirals to a fleet that is at sea.
- AI gets slightly fewer revolts in its home owner area (the provinces connected to its capital).
- AI gets less native uprisings, because it is less than optimal at keeping its colonies garrisoned. |
I can live with that
| fawe4 wrote: | Btw, those Japanese factions sure are fucked up. I'm playing Korea and while I'm checking neighbours for cash, Ryukyu a very small independant kingdom on some God forsaken island, had some 800 ducats in its treasury! So I fire up a test attack to see how I can get that cash, and it was easy. 100 war score, I make em vassals and take everything from their treasury. Now I had to give 2 stability points, but 800 ducats sure is worth it. Still I was curious how much they can hoard (well, I wanted to make em my private bank). I reloaded, proclaimed guarantee over them, and played normally on.
In 1500 they are at 2822 ducats, third after Ming at second place!
Now them having so much cash could be logical, they get a lot of trade and they have nothing to spend it on. Coincidently a lot of regular Japanese Daimyos are also high on treasury list. In the meantime something even weirder happened to that island! Yamana another Daimyo must have completely bugged out (or they found whole fucking Eldorado!) and now have exactly 897186.79 ducats!!!
I'm right in the process of planning on how to get my hands on that cash. I'm guessing I'll have to attack Japan, force them to release Yamana, then attack and make vassals out of Yamana. First part certainly wont be easy. |
That´s interesting. My actual game is at 16xx and so far I never met an country in the far eastern hemisphere but I noticed that "Mali" got very rich in my game through gold as ressource. I think the AI is collecting much money that cannot be spend because of the lack of higher technologies?! The downside is, that these countries have an abysmal high inflationrate, so spending the money on "moneymaking things" wouldn´t give them any advance.
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| Posted: Fri, 23rd Aug 2013 12:11 Post subject: |
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This also happens to the native americans, lots of money. It's a bit too easy to get their money, and some developer said on their stream yesterday that they are looking into doing it differently.
What exactly do you mean fawe4? I've seen both myself and the ai get -3 terrain plenty of times. Is that the issue ?
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| Posted: Fri, 23rd Aug 2013 14:24 Post subject: |
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Eh, it's probably nothing. Terrain is randomly assigned based on province percentages, I just got an impression that AI gets favourable on more occasions.
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| Posted: Fri, 23rd Aug 2013 14:56 Post subject: |
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3DMGAME-Europa.Universalis.IV.v1.1.2.Update.Incl.7.DLCs.and.Crack-3DM
Didnt work for me, crashed at startup.
FLT 1.1.1 works like a charm, strange.
harballaz wrote:
Hey dont be so hard the little console eunuchs, they need time to aim their lil vibratin thumbstick.
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hirschq
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| Posted: Fri, 23rd Aug 2013 17:47 Post subject: |
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Just tried a quick game with the hanse (don´t know how it is called in english?!). Is it even possible to expand in the inner territory of europe and don´t get blamed by the holy roman empire?
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mtj
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| Posted: Fri, 23rd Aug 2013 18:06 Post subject: |
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| hirschq wrote: | | Just tried a quick game with the hanse (don´t know how it is called in english?!). Is it even possible to expand in the inner territory of europe and don´t get blamed by the holy roman empire? |
Not really...
Except, get into multiple wars at once, and stay in war until you've cored the wanted lands.
I think hre cannot demand the lands back when you're in war. (This definitely works if you're in war with the HRE, but I think it works if you're in any war)
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hirschq
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| Posted: Fri, 23rd Aug 2013 18:12 Post subject: |
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This could work but in most cases I´m in need of the war tax and I´m not really sure if I would stand the pressure on my stability over the years. Maybe I should expand over denmark or swede till my country is strong enough to steam roll the whole HRE.
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Doh!
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| Posted: Fri, 23rd Aug 2013 21:42 Post subject: |
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| hirschq wrote: | | Just tried a quick game with the hanse (don´t know how it is called in english?!). Is it even possible to expand in the inner territory of europe and don´t get blamed by the holy roman empire? |
Make extra good friends with Austria (or whoever is the HRE) ally and royal marriage.
Keep a diplomat there from time to time to keep relations up. They will still ask for the lands at times, but the negative in relations go away again.
Only played 30 years so far, but I am a 14 province Brandenburg with no probs.
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1 because of a comet, 1 because of the death of my king (ok is not completely RNG because of his age) and one through shit I forgot (pirate uprising or shit I really can´t remember).
