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Jonhy
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Duuuuddddeee, it's just overall ratings... Do they even matter? Give me an 80 Ogbonna over the slow 87 Vidić any day of the week (especially in the pacewhoring FUT, since this is a FUT list). From within the list, I'd rather have Benzema than Van Persie, Yaya instead of Xavi etc.
With overall ratings it all comes down to what EA thinks is the most important for a specific position (in other words, the overall rating formula). Wingers f.ex., they believe pace and dribbling are pretty important components in the overall of a winger, which leads to such bullshit as Jesus Navas being in the top 50 of all players (dunno, how is 85 of Navas better than Reus's 85 though).
I think you are disregarding the competition's strenght, the players have proven themselves in and furthermore disregarding the number of years players have played at that level. Let's face it, CL is where the best football is played at and the Premier League is the best league there is, regardless of the hype surrouding it. With no disrespect to the Portugese League, it's not even close when compared to BPL. Once these players get transfered to a better league and succed there, they will get a boost surely. Fame? Sure, it's a factor, it should be, if you consider how these players got famous... Playing for a number of years at a higher level...
If we consider your suggestions, Phillipp Hosiner scored 32 last season, is he even better than Jackson Martinez? I didn't even know who Hosiner was, until he threw my team out of the CL qualification this season... Here's another scenario, less likely of course, borderline science fiction scenario one would say: Messi scores just 10 this season, is he out of the top 50 in fifa 15?
You can never make a perfect list with subjective opinions mate, it's futile like harry_theone said... But what do I know, it's just an opinion from another Canadian 
| kazemaky wrote: | | fifa ratings are totally shit :/. Arent there any mods to change them to more realistic like pes has its databases? |
yeah, those are brilliant, aren't they... an overall calculation, that heavily favours certain positions like fullbacks and goalkeepers... Maicon, Pablo Armero, Julio Cesar, Zuniga, Victor Valdez, Sebastien Frey in top 50...
this list is even worse, sorry no 2014 version yet, you can compare it to 2013's list:
http://pesdb.net/pes2013/index.php?sort=Overall_rating&order=d
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| Posted: Fri, 6th Sep 2013 12:23 Post subject: |
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Just a reminder that "small" club named Porto , "FC Porto is the most successful Portuguese club in terms of football total titles, with 74 titles. Domestically, it holds the record of five Primeira Liga titles in a row, having won the Primeira Liga 27 times"
International
Intercontinental Cup: 2
1987, 2004
European Cup/UEFA Champions League: 2 [11]
1986–87, 2003–04
UEFA Cup Winners' Cup:
Runners-up 1983-84
UEFA Cup/UEFA Europa League: 2[12]
2002–03, 2010–11
European Super Cup: 1[13]
1987
Iberian Cup: 2
1935,1938
28 de september 1893 fundation of the club
not to mention it had several times , atackers won the golden boot award 3 times
not really a small club, several top players came from fc porto to another top europe clubs.
The best coach in the world José Mourinnho won is first champions league with fc porto .
| Sin317 wrote: | | while you can't "turn gay", you can cut off your balls. believe me, you'll never think of women again. |
| zmed wrote: | | Or just a defense mechanism. If you fart, you'll most definitely smell it so your brain tells you it ain't bad as strangerfarts. |
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bruasca
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Doh!
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| Posted: Fri, 6th Sep 2013 15:25 Post subject: |
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| Sin317 wrote: | | while you can't "turn gay", you can cut off your balls. believe me, you'll never think of women again. |
| zmed wrote: | | Or just a defense mechanism. If you fart, you'll most definitely smell it so your brain tells you it ain't bad as strangerfarts. |
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LeoNatan
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| Posted: Fri, 6th Sep 2013 16:02 Post subject: |
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Where was that finger before?  |
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| Posted: Fri, 6th Sep 2013 17:29 Post subject: |
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Jonhy
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LeoNatan
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| Posted: Fri, 6th Sep 2013 19:50 Post subject: |
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I hope the AI will not cheat this time. I always stop playing the FIFA games because I get mad of the cheating judges and the enemy team AI. So many cheated offsides and free kicks that its not even funny...
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| Posted: Sat, 7th Sep 2013 00:38 Post subject: |
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| imaiden wrote: | Duuuuddddeee, it's just overall ratings... Do they even matter? Give me an 80 Ogbonna over the slow 87 Vidić any day of the week (especially in the pacewhoring FUT, since this is a FUT list). From within the list, I'd rather have Benzema than Van Persie, Yaya instead of Xavi etc.
With overall ratings it all comes down to what EA thinks is the most important for a specific position (in other words, the overall rating formula). Wingers f.ex., they believe pace and dribbling are pretty important components in the overall of a winger, which leads to such bullshit as Jesus Navas being in the top 50 of all players (dunno, how is 85 of Navas better than Reus's 85 though).
I think you are disregarding the competition's strenght, the players have proven themselves in and furthermore disregarding the number of years players have played at that level. Let's face it, CL is where the best football is played at and the Premier League is the best league there is, regardless of the hype surrouding it. With no disrespect to the Portugese League, it's not even close when compared to BPL. Once these players get transfered to a better league and succed there, they will get a boost surely. Fame? Sure, it's a factor, it should be, if you consider how these players got famous... Playing for a number of years at a higher level...
If we consider your suggestions, Phillipp Hosiner scored 32 last season, is he even better than Jackson Martinez? I didn't even know who Hosiner was, until he threw my team out of the CL qualification this season... Here's another scenario, less likely of course, borderline science fiction scenario one would say: Messi scores just 10 this season, is he out of the top 50 in fifa 15?
You can never make a perfect list with subjective opinions mate, it's futile like harry_theone said... But what do I know, it's just an opinion from another Canadian
| kazemaky wrote: | | fifa ratings are totally shit :/. Arent there any mods to change them to more realistic like pes has its databases? |
yeah, those are brilliant, aren't they... an overall calculation, that heavily favours certain positions like fullbacks and goalkeepers... Maicon, Pablo Armero, Julio Cesar, Zuniga, Victor Valdez, Sebastien Frey in top 50...
this list is even worse, sorry no 2014 version yet, you can compare it to 2013's list:
http://pesdb.net/pes2013/index.php?sort=Overall_rating&order=d |
"If we consider your suggestions, Phillipp Hosiner scored 32 last season, is he even better than Jackson Martinez?"
No. Why? Because portugese league is way much stronger than Austrian.
I know that the list doesn't make any sense and I'm sure even EA doesn't know the exact algorithm of it.  However the players I've mentioned before could easily fit into the list since portugese league is 3 team like so does La Liga aswell. Of course it's not the same to score 26 goals in EPL and portugese league but still.
There is no point to argue about the list anymore because it's like comparing apple to oranges.
| speedgear wrote: | Just a reminder that "small" club named Porto , "FC Porto is the most successful Portuguese club in terms of football total titles, with 74 titles. Domestically, it holds the record of five Primeira Liga titles in a row, having won the Primeira Liga 27 times"
International
Intercontinental Cup: 2
1987, 2004
European Cup/UEFA Champions League: 2 [11]
1986–87, 2003–04
UEFA Cup Winners' Cup:
Runners-up 1983-84
UEFA Cup/UEFA Europa League: 2[12]
2002–03, 2010–11
European Super Cup: 1[13]
1987
Iberian Cup: 2
1935,1938
28 de september 1893 fundation of the club
not to mention it had several times , atackers won the golden boot award 3 times
not really a small club, several top players came from fc porto to another top europe clubs.
The best coach in the world José Mourinnho won is first champions league with fc porto .
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....at least it's smaller than FC Sarcasm. 
ps. You've forgot the most important fact which makes Porto such a special club....
FC Porto transfer revenue from selling top players :
• Paulo Ferreira [bought for €2 Million] [sold for €20 Million]
• Ricardo Carvalho [bought for free] [sold for €30 Million]
• Deco [bought for €8 Million] [sold for €21 Million]
• Maniche [bought for free] [sold for €16 Million]
• Anderson [bought for €5 Million] [sold for €32 Million]
• Pepe [bought for €2 Million] [sold for €30 Million]
• Quaresma [bought for €6 Million] [sold for €25 Million]
• Bosingwa [bought for €1 Million] [sold for €21 Million]
• Aly Cissokho [bought for €0.3 Million] [sold for €15 Million]
• Lisandro Lopez [bought for €2 Million] [sold for €24 Million]
• Lucho Gonzalez [bought for €10 Million] [sold for €18 Million]
• Bruno Alves [started his career at Porto] [sold for €22 Million]
• Raul Meireles [bought for free] [sold for €13 Million]
• Falcao [bought for €5.5 Million] [sold for €47 Million]
• Hulk [bought for €5.5 Million] [sold for €56 Million]
• Freddy Guarin [bought for €1 Million] [sold for €13 Million]
• James Rodriguez [bought for €7 Million] [sold for €45 Million]
• Joao Moutinho [bought for €11 Million] [sold for €25 Million]
Transfer expenditures (Total) : €66.3 Million
Transfer revenue (Total) : €473 Million
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Doh!
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| Posted: Sat, 7th Sep 2013 00:50 Post subject: |
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| warriormax wrote: | | I hope the AI will not cheat this time. I always stop playing the FIFA games because I get mad of the cheating judges and the enemy team AI. So many cheated offsides and free kicks that its not even funny... |
Honestly stop playing single player, I have not even played once against the AI the last couple of Fifa´s.
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| Posted: Sat, 7th Sep 2013 00:59 Post subject: |
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no point playing in multiplayer if the default gameplay is too unrealistic and arcadish. :/
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ixigia
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| Posted: Sat, 7th Sep 2013 04:04 Post subject: |
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| kazemaky wrote: | | no point playing in multiplayer if the default gameplay is too unrealistic and arcadish. :/ |
Yeah, the problem with multiplayer is, people only want to win, they don't care at all about realism, they do not accept the slow and balanced gameplay that you can set from the sliders + full-manual controls.
They want fast-paced action, fast auto-long passes, superhuman uber-skilled players, crazy ping pong matches that have nothing to do with real football.  Have you seen Fifa 14's videos? It's like the game is running in 2X. I used to set manual controls all the time when playing Seasons for example, but after the 40th defeat with like just 5-6 wins I told myself, alright it's time to go derp as well! Now I basically only play 2vs2 matches with friends, though it's pretty damned fun I must say.  |
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snoz
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| Posted: Sat, 7th Sep 2013 14:41 Post subject: |
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Last year I got ultimate edition for £24 any good deals going around ?
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| Posted: Sat, 7th Sep 2013 19:10 Post subject: |
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| Doh! wrote: |
Honestly stop playing single player, I have not even played once against the AI the last couple of Fifa´s. |
I don't like the MP in FIFA because everybody wants to play with the "good" teams while I like to start a season with some underdog team and make it reach the top of A group. I never understood the point of starting with some "huge" team like Milan or Arsenal or Chelsea, etc. There's no challenge in that at all.
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snoz
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| Posted: Sat, 7th Sep 2013 23:21 Post subject: |
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ultimate team is the only reason to play fifa in my eyes atleast id not played fifa for years till last year. friend told me about FUT and I got hooked on it. IS very fun building team and making way to division 1
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| Posted: Sat, 7th Sep 2013 23:25 Post subject: |
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| Posted: Sat, 7th Sep 2013 23:59 Post subject: |
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They can put their previous-gen version up their arses.
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LeoNatan
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| Posted: Sun, 8th Sep 2013 00:00 Post subject: |
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| akvma wrote: | | They can put their previous-gen version up their arses. |
Which still looks better than PES this year, and amazing, there is rain.
But that second goal wow...  |
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| Posted: Sun, 8th Sep 2013 00:30 Post subject: |
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Yeah the second goal looked very unnatural.
Funny to see that still only one person per team can jump in the air in front of goal.
Makes for very realistic corner kicks. Not.
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ixigia
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| Posted: Sun, 8th Sep 2013 03:35 Post subject: |
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To be fair, rain and snow in Fifa are nearly as annoying as dribbling abusers and chronic rage quitters xD
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LeoNatan
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| Nui wrote: | | LeoNatan wrote: | | and amazing, there is rain. |
Like to see you implement rain, when you had to implement other things as well  |
Rain was one of my most important todo tasks back when I worked a little on my flight sim after I finished my project. Then work and life happened and no rain.  Shame, because I had some cute ideas how to make local rain (below clouds). |
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