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What I said was meant in general about CoH2. They're crying about everything...
And seriously, this just a load of butthurt and denial. And yes, since this bullshit is 30 minutes long, I'm still watching it. And it gets worse every minute.
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| Posted: Thu, 1st Aug 2013 22:12 Post subject: |
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| m3th0d2008 wrote: | What I said was meant in general about CoH2. They're crying about everything...
And seriously, this just a load of butthurt and denial. And yes, since this bullshit is 30 minutes long, I'm still watching it. And it gets worse every minute. |
Why? They are holding the Soviets to a different moral standard than the other nations.
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| Posted: Thu, 1st Aug 2013 22:25 Post subject: |
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It's just that I don't get the butthurt. This is Company of Heroes. Not Men of War. CoH1 was also ridiculously fictious and far away from historically accurate.
I didn't see videos (and the amounts of bitching) like this emerge when Return to Castle Wolfenstein was released. Did you?
Calling Relic Nazis and the writers Goebbels worshippers just goes too far imho... (he even mentions it himself near the end just to belittle it)
He has alot of good points and yet he destroys them everytime a couple of seconds later with some ridiculous bullshit. How should anyone take this seriously then?
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| Posted: Mon, 5th Aug 2013 13:56 Post subject: |
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It is said the game sales are stopped in Russia.It doesn't affect though steam sales afaik
What a bunch of lunatics. There are still lots of people here in Russia who jerk off
vigorously on Stalin and deny everything that stains the oh so great victory
Besides, someone should really learn the difference between a game's setting and a real life.
PS I didn't like the game, but it had nothing to do with this mass hysteria
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| Posted: Tue, 6th Aug 2013 14:49 Post subject: |
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| Posted: Thu, 19th Sep 2013 21:06 Post subject: |
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| Posted: Fri, 20th Sep 2013 19:53 Post subject: |
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It's also on steam
shitloads of new stuff in my pc. Cant keep track of it all.
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| Posted: Fri, 20th Sep 2013 22:10 Post subject: |
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Huh is the game still unbalanced ?
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| Posted: Fri, 20th Sep 2013 23:37 Post subject: |
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pretty much most stuff get's worse out of whack by bulletins / veteran abilities some stuff is balanced around the whole wrong things etc and well penetration values haven't made sense since beta and they still don't (hi equall penetration no matter the range)
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| Posted: Sat, 21st Sep 2013 04:15 Post subject: |
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Good to see Russians are standing up to the bullshit revisionism of corporatism.
It seems like just about every game that features Russia in the soviet era portrays Joe Stalin & his offsiders as paranoid but the game backstory never gets around to explaining how the english conspired to assassinate Lenin by sending in agents who hired mercenaries to shoot Lenin at a public meeting - the attempt failed but Vlad Illyich copped head/brain injuries that debilitated him for the rest of his life. And forced Russian leaders to be much more careful about public appearances.
Perspective - context has to be considered when portraying history.
Showing bits n pieces in isolation from what else is going down is misleading - deliberately so.
So at the risk of cranking up old passions it may be helpful to consider 1939-1945 casualties to gain insight into why Russians are concerned about the way this game attempts to portray them.
Russians I have met have a much more comprehensive & deep understanding of what happened in the 1914 to 1945 european war than western europeans born after the end of the european war do .
Russia, which had decided to stay outta the 'lets fight over who owns the rest of the planet' blue, a strategy which worked up until nazi megalomania caused nazis to delude themselves they could beat all-comers at once.
It is easily forgotten that Russia lost far more citizens in this war than any other nation - approx 28 million Russian citizens died in the nazi invasion, most of those (approx 20 million) were civilians butchered by the nazis.
In all theatres of 1939-45 segment of the european conflict, Germany lost about 7 million of their citizens - around 5 million of those were military.
Italy had 450,000 killed around 300,000 were military including slaves captured in Libya & Ethiopia who were press ganged into fighting on the Italian side. Italians had approx 1% of their population killed during 1939-45 conflict.
The english lost about half a million of their citizens & 400,000 were soldiers/sailors/aircrew.
Around 14% of the Russian population died in ww2. Compared to 8% of Germany's population & 1% of englanders.
Oh - USA lost 0.32% of their population. It is hardly surprising that North Americans have become experts on 20th century european wars with all that skin in the game.
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| Posted: Fri, 1st Nov 2013 19:06 Post subject: |
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Butthurt Russians calling Relic Nazis for showing Russian atrocities in WW2 by serving cliches almost make me want to buy the game. Suck it up. Germans had to deal with that for decades. It's just too bad we'll probably never see the USA/UK portrayed in a negative light.
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| Posted: Fri, 1st Nov 2013 19:16 Post subject: |
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Didn't someone say that history is told by the victors? Well I don't know historical quotes all that well but Germany lost and had to deal with the consequences of that and then you have the cold war situation after that with Russia portrayed in a bad light, propaganda is quite effective and was used heavily during those times too.
(And that probably goes way back to ancient history for all I know, Greece, Rome, Persia and all that.)
EDIT: I'm crap with explanations and logical arguments though.
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| Posted: Fri, 1st Nov 2013 19:21 Post subject: |
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Dunno why they are critisizing Stalin for what he did...
Not that that im commie or somthing, but in his situation in global war and with Germany advancing in Russia if you are not using drastic matters you loose - you die.
About Hitler - yeah he just went crazy and this is the reason why Germany failed. Too much rush and confidence
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Taking Germany from defeat and poverty after World War 1 into a state of the art superpower was quite a feat, without Hitler they might have become quite the country in a few more years but he had those radical views and started fighting everyone.
(And all that just because he was good at talking.)
EDIT: Of course without the world war(s) there might not have been such a explosive development of technology either, funny how the military leads to such advances.
EDIT: Not that I would know though but I am impressed with how fast the country did recover, shame it all fell apart due to the views of that one man.
(And his followers.)
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| Posted: Fri, 1st Nov 2013 19:52 Post subject: |
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Yeah Germany is amazing. Lost 2 World Wars and yet its one of the most powerfull countries in modern times.
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| Posted: Fri, 1st Nov 2013 20:03 Post subject: |
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| JBeckman wrote: | | history is told by the victors |
Exactly. Which is why it's ridiculous to speak of "historical accuracy" in the context of a game like this when every history book you can take as a reference is biased in one way or another. WW2 was 70 years ago and we still don't know the definite truth, only the widely accepted consensus that now and then is challenged when a book comes out and shines light on previously unknown facts.
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| Posted: Fri, 1st Nov 2013 23:17 Post subject: |
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| demde wrote: | | Yeah Germany is amazing. Lost 2 World Wars and yet its one of the most powerfull countries in modern times. |
Yep, I would be tapping their comms too.
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| Posted: Fri, 1st Nov 2013 23:22 Post subject: |
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The Soviets did a fuck load of bad things before, during and after WW2. Anyone who keeps crying about it being in a video game can suck it. It's poop that the devs chose to show it in such a light but that was their decision.
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| Posted: Sat, 2nd Nov 2013 06:19 Post subject: |
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| pillermann wrote: | | JBeckman wrote: | | history is told by the victors |
Exactly. Which is why it's ridiculous to speak of "historical accuracy" in the context of a game like this when every history book you can take as a reference is biased in one way or another. WW2 was 70 years ago and we still don't know the definite truth, only the widely accepted consensus that now and then is challenged when a book comes out and shines light on previously unknown facts. |
because
multiple sources
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| Posted: Sat, 2nd Nov 2013 14:32 Post subject: |
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| Frolsa84 wrote: | | pillermann wrote: | | JBeckman wrote: | | history is told by the victors |
Exactly. Which is why it's ridiculous to speak of "historical accuracy" in the context of a game like this when every history book you can take as a reference is biased in one way or another. WW2 was 70 years ago and we still don't know the definite truth, only the widely accepted consensus that now and then is challenged when a book comes out and shines light on previously unknown facts. |
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Because winners always get to pick the truth. Tell the tales of fantasy and twist things to an advantage. |
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| Posted: Sat, 2nd Nov 2013 14:44 Post subject: |
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| Prefetian wrote: | | The Soviets did a fuck load of bad things before, during and after WW2. Anyone who keeps crying about it being in a video game can suck it. It's poop that the devs chose to show it in such a light but that was their decision. |
And all those bad things put together dont come even close to the what the nazis did. Did you know that US had concentration camps for japanese-americans on US soil? What if someone made a game that revolved around that and tried to portait that as the major event of the WWII? That would be retarded, right? Just as CoH2 is.
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| Posted: Sat, 2nd Nov 2013 14:50 Post subject: |
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| _untouchable_ wrote: | | Prefetian wrote: | | The Soviets did a fuck load of bad things before, during and after WW2. Anyone who keeps crying about it being in a video game can suck it. It's poop that the devs chose to show it in such a light but that was their decision. |
And all those bad things put together dont come even close to the what the nazis did. Did you know that US had concentration camps for japanese-americans on US soil? What if someone made a game that revolved around that and tried to portait that as the major event of the WWII? That would be retarded, right? Just as CoH2 is. |
It might be, but I chose not to play it instead of crying about it to developers.
And all countries involved did fucked up shit, did you know that the Japanese had similar experiments with Chinese prisoners as the nazis did with their. |
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| Posted: Sat, 2nd Nov 2013 14:52 Post subject: |
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| _untouchable_ wrote: | | Prefetian wrote: | | The Soviets did a fuck load of bad things before, during and after WW2. Anyone who keeps crying about it being in a video game can suck it. It's poop that the devs chose to show it in such a light but that was their decision. |
And all those bad things put together dont come even close to the what the nazis did. |
Says who? The prime reason why Nazis are portrayed as the Ultimate Evil™ in media is because they lost the war, we've already established that.
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| Posted: Sat, 2nd Nov 2013 15:18 Post subject: |
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| pillermann wrote: | | _untouchable_ wrote: | | Prefetian wrote: | | The Soviets did a fuck load of bad things before, during and after WW2. Anyone who keeps crying about it being in a video game can suck it. It's poop that the devs chose to show it in such a light but that was their decision. |
And all those bad things put together dont come even close to the what the nazis did. |
Says who? The prime reason why Nazis are portrayed as the Ultimate Evil™ in media is because they lost the war, we've already established that. |
I dont know who established that, maybe you and your stormfront pals did...
The nazis are not "portrayed", they were the ultimate evil, and not because they lost the war but because they started the war with the intention of exterminating entire races and nations of people.
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