| Page 1 of 2 |
|
|
 Posted: Sat, 28th Sep 2013 09:51 Post subject: A question about iMac... |
|
 |
This is not for trolling purpose, I have a genuine question about Apple iMac.
Altho I don't like the Apple as such, and think they are overrated, they are pretty. But that's besides the point.
What I'm interested is this:
Often people say: iMacs are better for graphics, video editing etc. But why is that?
I'm looking at specs for 27" iMac, and the GPU is a mobile one :\ How is that for professional use?!
Can anybody who has iMac explain this to me? The Mac Pro I could understand since it's not all-in-one Mac product, and has better specs, but I don't get it for iMac :\
"Quantum mechanics is actually, contrary to it's reputation, unbeliveably simple, once you take the physics out."
Scott Aaronson | chiv wrote: | | thats true you know. newton didnt discover gravity. the apple told him about it, and then he killed it. the core was never found. |
|
|
| Back to top |
|
|
Przepraszam
VIP Member
Posts: 14517
Location: Poland. New York.
|
| Posted: Sat, 28th Sep 2013 10:04 Post subject: |
|
|
Probably it's something totally different from what are you asking.
I would buy either MacBook Air or Pro instead of so called "Gaming" laptops. First of all is the battery life and easy to use editing software for whatever is it, documents or pictures. I bought so-called Lenovo "gaming" laptop and god I regret it ever since.
My next laptop WILL BE an apple laptop.
I get why people hate Apple products and all, because I am one of them but once you start using them and get accustomed to it..It's fucking nice.
|
|
| Back to top |
|
|
LeoNatan
☢ NFOHump Despot ☢
Posts: 73304
Location: Ramat HaSharon, Israel 🇮🇱
|
| Posted: Sat, 28th Sep 2013 10:06 Post subject: |
|
|
I don't have an iMac, but I can answer in general. They are enough for most uses. To use Photoshop, Premiere, Final Cut, etc. You really don't need much more than what is already there. Think of it as a computer for the pro amateur.
But of course, the Pixar guys don't use iMacs. They use Pros. They were the ones to talk about the new black Mac Pro.
|
|
| Back to top |
|
|
LeoNatan
☢ NFOHump Despot ☢
Posts: 73304
Location: Ramat HaSharon, Israel 🇮🇱
|
| Posted: Sat, 28th Sep 2013 10:07 Post subject: |
|
|
| Przepraszam wrote: | | I get why people hate Apple products and all, because I am one of them but once you start using them and get accustomed to it..It's fucking nice. |
So why exactly do you hate them if "it's fucking nice"? |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
Przepraszam
VIP Member
Posts: 14517
Location: Poland. New York.
|
| Posted: Sat, 28th Sep 2013 10:15 Post subject: |
|
|
You again, but seriously, I would trade my "windows" laptop for an apple laptop any day of the week.
Why I hate them? Probably it's that day of the month.
I think the word I am looking for is convenient. You can pretty much do everything with an iMac/Mac.
|
|
| Back to top |
|
|
|
|
| Posted: Sat, 28th Sep 2013 11:02 Post subject: |
|
|
@Przepraszam: I know about the long battery life of ProBook, all of professors and assistants on my uni has them because of that reason mostly.
@LeoNatan: I could understand the pro amateur argument, for that use I guess you don't need a beast of a comp, but it kinda surprised me when my bf said that almost on all of his job interviews ppl asked him if he's accustomed with work on Macs (he's a graphic designer). He owned a Mac before but switched because of some fault or sth like that (don't remember the details), and now he will have to get one.
And I was totally surprised, since you could build a better comp for smaller amount of money. I don't know why all of them are insisting on Macs :\
Oh and the price of 27" iMac in Croatia is 17.400 kn which is ~€2300, and that is a lot of money for a computer...
"Quantum mechanics is actually, contrary to it's reputation, unbeliveably simple, once you take the physics out."
Scott Aaronson | chiv wrote: | | thats true you know. newton didnt discover gravity. the apple told him about it, and then he killed it. the core was never found. |
|
|
| Back to top |
|
|
LeoNatan
☢ NFOHump Despot ☢
Posts: 73304
Location: Ramat HaSharon, Israel 🇮🇱
|
| Posted: Sat, 28th Sep 2013 11:12 Post subject: |
|
|
Yeah, outside of USA, prices are high. I bought my retina MacBook Pro in San Francisco for the same amount I bought my MacBook Air in Israel. 
But I disagree on the prices. What other laptop gives you such a high resolution display in a 13" or 15"? And a good panel at that. It really does make a difference, if you work with Photoshop or video editing. Add to that very good build quality and materials, elegance. There are laptops that are good, but they are expensive also. And comparing a cheap plastic case with same CPU and RAM but with some shit TN panel is not fair. In the ultrabook there is more competition and more options, which is good. More competition leads to better choices for everyone.
Also, a big issue to consider is the OS. New laptops come with Windows 8, which is a piece of shit. And the so-called convertibles, where you also have a touch screen and some awful TN panel. Yeah, no thanks. Sure you could switch to Windows 7, but having to waste time, and you never know if drivers would work etc. Most people (in US) don't mind adding a little more money for a very elegant OS which is stable most of the time.
|
|
| Back to top |
|
|
|
|
| Posted: Sat, 28th Sep 2013 11:23 Post subject: |
|
|
I would choose Lenovo Thinkpad T- or W- series over Apple notebook anytime.
|
|
| Back to top |
|
|
LeoNatan
☢ NFOHump Despot ☢
Posts: 73304
Location: Ramat HaSharon, Israel 🇮🇱
|
| Posted: Sat, 28th Sep 2013 11:38 Post subject: |
|
|
Yeah, we have those at work. The most ugliest abominations there are.
|
|
| Back to top |
|
|
Przepraszam
VIP Member
Posts: 14517
Location: Poland. New York.
|
| Posted: Sat, 28th Sep 2013 11:39 Post subject: |
|
|
| Guy_Incognito wrote: | | I would choose Lenovo Thinkpad T- or W- series over Apple notebook anytime. |
Why would you cripple yourself by picking Lenovo?
They literary make the worst laptops ever. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
LeoNatan
☢ NFOHump Despot ☢
Posts: 73304
Location: Ramat HaSharon, Israel 🇮🇱
|
| Posted: Sat, 28th Sep 2013 11:43 Post subject: |
|
|
Actually they are quite sturdy. Don't confuse the consumer Lenovos with the business ones. But they are really hideous, heavy and thick.
|
|
| Back to top |
|
|
|
|
|
| Back to top |
|
|
Werelds
Special Little Man
Posts: 15098
Location: 0100111001001100
|
| Posted: Sat, 28th Sep 2013 12:32 Post subject: |
|
|
| dingo_d wrote: | | Often people say: iMacs are better for graphics, video editing etc. But why is that? |
They're not. Period.
An MBP is better than an iMac. iMacs are for hipsters who want to have a pretty desktop. Anyone recommending one of them for anything other than the pretty factor is a complete and utter retard. The display itself (as is the Cinema Display) is essentially Dell's 2411 with crap calibration and the hardware is just a laptop.
Mac pros are the second worst thing and I still don't get how those fucking things still sell. They're meant as workstations, but for workstations they are immensely overpriced and often have retarded specs that are far from optimal.
Lenovo's Thinkpads may be ugly but yes, they are the sturdiest laptops out there. They're like German cars
Most of our front end guys are absolute Apple fans, but none of them will ever buy an iMac (again, some do have one already  ). We've got all Dell and Eizo for monitors, couple that with an MBP or MBA and you've got a better setup than an iMac both in terms of image quality as well as specs. And it's mobile. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
LeoNatan
☢ NFOHump Despot ☢
Posts: 73304
Location: Ramat HaSharon, Israel 🇮🇱
|
| Posted: Sat, 28th Sep 2013 12:44 Post subject: |
|
|
Who cares about sturdiness. Don't fucking drop the laptop  there, problem solved.
Same problem people have with glass in phones. Well don't drop the phone, dumbass.
|
|
| Back to top |
|
|
Saner
Posts: 6877
Location: Uk
|
| Posted: Sat, 28th Sep 2013 12:51 Post subject: |
|
|
Its more from ye olden days isn't it,from when the mac had ppc.
| ragnarus wrote: |
I saw things like that in here and in other "woman problems" topics so...... Am I the only one that thinks some authorities needs to be alerted about Saner and him possibly being a rapist and/or kidnapper ? |
Saner is not being serious. Unless its the subject of Santa!
|
|
| Back to top |
|
|
|
|
| Posted: Sat, 28th Sep 2013 13:35 Post subject: |
|
|
for me the biggest con in fapple products that they are overpriced, i can get something that costs twice less and performs the same
plus the quality of the products, fapple just made out of turd and i will never swap my w7 for any macos, plus it's a closed system where i can't do shit
|
|
| Back to top |
|
|
tonizito
VIP Member
Posts: 51464
Location: Portugal, the shithole of Europe.
|
| Posted: Sat, 28th Sep 2013 13:54 Post subject: |
|
|
| Przepraszam wrote: | | I bought so-called Lenovo "gaming" laptop and god I regret it ever since. |
Gaming laptop... there's your mistake right there 
ONTOPIC:
Always heard about that, and it was (apparently) mainly due to the software. And if that is really the case you just need to get an hackintosh ready and able... as far as I know 
| boundle (thoughts on cracking AITD) wrote: | | i guess thouth if without a legit key the installation was rolling back we are all fucking then |
Last edited by tonizito on Sat, 28th Sep 2013 13:57; edited 1 time in total |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
|
|
| Posted: Sat, 28th Sep 2013 13:57 Post subject: |
|
|
Gaming laptops are fine these days, they pack so much punch, especially the custom clevo barebone laptops. They are still cheaper than Apple overpriced laptops.
|
|
| Back to top |
|
|
Werelds
Special Little Man
Posts: 15098
Location: 0100111001001100
|
| Posted: Sat, 28th Sep 2013 13:58 Post subject: |
|
|
| Mortibus wrote: | | for me the biggest con in fapple products that they are overpriced, i can get something that costs twice less and performs the same |
So far, with you in the sense that you can get the same hardware for less money. But read on to #2.
| Quote: | | plus the quality of the products, fapple just made out of turd |
Noes. They're not the best, like a lot of people claim, but they're definitely well above average. Apple's biggest issue is still heat dissipation, MBPs get ridiculously hot (or noisy if you fix the heat by ramping up the fan manually).
An equally built laptop from other brands doesn't cost that much less; and no, Acer for example do not have any laptops of this kind of quality. You're squarely looking at Dell, Lenovo and HP (business, not consumer Compaq) as competitors.
| Quote: | | it's a closed system where i can't do shit |
In what way?
As a developer the biggest issue is the shit versions of things that Apple includes by default, but you can fix those by using MacPorts. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
tonizito
VIP Member
Posts: 51464
Location: Portugal, the shithole of Europe.
|
| Posted: Sat, 28th Sep 2013 13:59 Post subject: |
|
|
| Breezer_ wrote: | | Gaming laptops are fine these days, they pack so much punch, especially the custom clevo barebone laptops. They are still cheaper than Apple overpriced laptops. |
Complete waste of money.
To me at least; laptop for work/browsing/small games, desktop for "real" gaming.
| boundle (thoughts on cracking AITD) wrote: | | i guess thouth if without a legit key the installation was rolling back we are all fucking then |
|
|
| Back to top |
|
|
|
|
| Posted: Sat, 28th Sep 2013 14:53 Post subject: |
|
|
|
|
|
| Back to top |
|
|
|
|
| Posted: Sat, 28th Sep 2013 14:59 Post subject: |
|
|
Last edited by Interinactive on Tue, 5th Oct 2021 02:57; edited 1 time in total
|
|
| Back to top |
|
|
|
|
| Posted: Sat, 28th Sep 2013 15:01 Post subject: |
|
|
Well, I was talking about iMac's, big things with display that has built in everything inside, not laptop, but ok.
And you don't have to convince me not to buy Apple, I don't have the money for it, and even if I would I'd buy PC any time.
Besides the fact that it's price is too damn high, other thing I don't like is the closed system of it. Once you buy your iMac, that's it. :\
I like the fact that I can upgrade my system at will. Add more mem, put new CPU etc.
And I've seen comparisons of those 1440p monitors from Korea and iMac's 27", and they're pretty much the same (if you disregard the fact that with those cheaper Korean you could get some dead pixels).
But it really confuses me to see all these designers yelling how iMacs are somehow better for designing than PC, so I wanted to know if there really is some merit to it...
"Quantum mechanics is actually, contrary to it's reputation, unbeliveably simple, once you take the physics out."
Scott Aaronson | chiv wrote: | | thats true you know. newton didnt discover gravity. the apple told him about it, and then he killed it. the core was never found. |
|
|
| Back to top |
|
|
|
|
| Posted: Sat, 28th Sep 2013 15:16 Post subject: |
|
|
Last edited by Interinactive on Tue, 5th Oct 2021 02:57; edited 2 times in total
|
|
| Back to top |
|
|
Werelds
Special Little Man
Posts: 15098
Location: 0100111001001100
|
| Posted: Sat, 28th Sep 2013 15:19 Post subject: |
|
|
| dingo_d wrote: | | Well, I was talking about iMac's, big things with display that has built in everything inside, not laptop, but ok. |
No we know, but tell your boyfriend to get an MBA/MBP and separate monitor instead of an iMac if they force him to use a Mac.
| dingo_d wrote: | | And I've seen comparisons of those 1440p monitors from Korea and iMac's 27", and they're pretty much the same (if you disregard the fact that with those cheaper Korean you could get some dead pixels). |
It's much worse than that.
The Korean ones are a so-called "A- grade" (A-minus) panel from LG. That means they MAY exhibit dead pixels over time. Dell and Apple use the exact same panel, but at A+ grade, which means pixel-perfect.
The big thing? Where the Korean ones rightfully sit below Dell in price, Apple charges *twice* as much for the exact same panel Dell uses. The Korean ones are surprisingly well calibrated too; they still trail behind Apple and Dell, but still better than any TN panel. And Apple don't do it as well as Dell either. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
|
|
| Posted: Sat, 28th Sep 2013 16:37 Post subject: |
|
|
So basically, all those people are clueless xD
I mean, my bf knows about PC vs Apple, but he'll have to buy it for work. And being perfectionist and design whore he is, I doubt he'll buy MBA/MBP plus monitor, because 'that's not pretty' -.-"
"Quantum mechanics is actually, contrary to it's reputation, unbeliveably simple, once you take the physics out."
Scott Aaronson | chiv wrote: | | thats true you know. newton didnt discover gravity. the apple told him about it, and then he killed it. the core was never found. |
|
|
| Back to top |
|
|
Sin317
Banned
Posts: 24321
Location: Geneva
|
| Posted: Sat, 28th Sep 2013 17:08 Post subject: |
|
|
Doesn't Apple stand for "paying twice the price for last years products" ?
I.e. everytime i look at the specs of something i*, i see old hardware (not old old, but already behind) for a price out of this world.
So it all boils down to "oh it's pretty" no ? I don't know, but most of the stuff people say is better on apple then on pc, just doesn't seem correct anymore.
|
|
| Back to top |
|
|
|
|
| Posted: Sat, 28th Sep 2013 17:21 Post subject: |
|
|
how is it even pretty, all new ultrabooks or wtv they called look the same
plus i for one don't care how it looks as long as it works, still got my hp pro book with first gen i5 8gb and intel hd, works just as good as anything, altho i barely use it, i can't stand anything smaller than 20inch for more than an hour
|
|
| Back to top |
|
|
Przepraszam
VIP Member
Posts: 14517
Location: Poland. New York.
|
| Posted: Sat, 28th Sep 2013 17:54 Post subject: |
|
|
| tonizito wrote: | | Breezer_ wrote: | | Gaming laptops are fine these days, they pack so much punch, especially the custom clevo barebone laptops. They are still cheaper than Apple overpriced laptops. |
Complete waste of money.
To me at least; laptop for work/browsing/small games, desktop for "real" gaming. |
I could probably make fried eggs with my "gaming laptop"
I'm surprised it still did not set on fire. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
dr-nix
Posts: 996
Location: Sweden
|
| Posted: Sat, 28th Sep 2013 20:57 Post subject: |
|
|
| tonizito wrote: | | Breezer_ wrote: | | Gaming laptops are fine these days, they pack so much punch, especially the custom clevo barebone laptops. They are still cheaper than Apple overpriced laptops. |
Complete waste of money.
To me at least; laptop for work/browsing/small games, desktop for "real" gaming. |
I agree. Gaming laptops are bad deals, you get alot more for your money if you build a desktop computer.
----
In regards to the Mac thing they have their charm sure but they are overrated. The external design of the macbook pros and the airs are fine and other companies does rightly copy them in that aspect. But other than that it's nothing special really. I work on them daily repairing both macs and pcs (laptops and desktops but mostly laptops). After speaking to enough apple owners trends begin to emerge, one thing is that they usually think they know more than they actually do. Another trend is that they think their machines are better than they actually are (and worth alot more money also)
AMD Ryzen 9 5900X | Noctua NH-D15 chromax.black | ASUS Crosshair VIII Dark Hero | 32 GB Trident Z 3600Mhz | Gigabyte Aorus PCIe4 1TB SSD | Corsair MP510 1TB SSD |ASUS RTX 3080 Ti TUF | Fractal Design Define 7 | Seasonic 850W Platinum
|
|
| Back to top |
|
|
| Page 1 of 2 |
All times are GMT + 1 Hour |
