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| Mchart wrote: | | Or you could just buy a decent pair of cans for once and use a modmic. |
That.... is incredibly cool.
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| Posted: Fri, 4th Oct 2013 17:43 Post subject: |
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| Mchart wrote: | | Or you could just buy a decent pair of cans for once and use a modmic. |
+1
With detachable cable especially.
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| Posted: Fri, 4th Oct 2013 19:25 Post subject: |
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| sabin1981 wrote: | | Mchart wrote: | | Or you could just buy a decent pair of cans for once and use a modmic. |
That.... is incredibly cool. |
+1 for mod mic, a lot of guys on OCN who use audiophile cans use this mic
HD700 from a guy on OCN, those are like 900 dollar headphones lol
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| Posted: Fri, 4th Oct 2013 19:38 Post subject: |
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Yeah, have a modmic attached to my AKG Q701's. Perfect solution paired with a STX.
Although you really don't even need something expensive like a STX. You could really just use a cheaper USB driver/headphone amp and use it with Razer's free virtual surround solution.
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| Posted: Fri, 4th Oct 2013 20:39 Post subject: |
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Nah i'm sticking to gaming headsets rather then such things, thanks for the input tho.
I might go with the vengeance 2100, got the 1500 atm and it's a good one. Just the shitty cable problem now 
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| Posted: Fri, 4th Oct 2013 23:17 Post subject: |
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Because there are no proper headphone only 7.1 wireless ones for around the same price.
And so far, with gaming, 5.1 and 7.1 has given me massive advantage in most shooters over the normal 2.0 ones.
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| Posted: Sat, 5th Oct 2013 00:03 Post subject: |
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| sausje wrote: | Because there are no proper headphone only 7.1 wireless ones for around the same price.
And so far, with gaming, 5.1 and 7.1 has given me massive advantage in most shooters over the normal 2.0 ones. |
CMSS-3D > Dolby Headphone > "Surround" headsets. The drivers in such a headset are too close to your ears, you do not get the full positional effect - plenty of studies on that, that's just how the human ear works. Even one of those still needs software mixing to tune the volumes and none of the "gaming" headsets do that bar the old Astro A40. A software mixer that downmixes 5.1 to 2.0 like Creative's CMSS or any soundcard/amp that can do Dolby Headphone does that much better, because it can tune the volumes much better than those drivers booming in your ear can.
Apart from that, all the surround headsets I've tried all have very muddy sound compared to a relatively low-end pair of cans like Sennheiser's HD 558s. And as far as wireless goes, things get worse. Sennheiser's RS 160 sounds better than at least the Logitech G930 and the horrible Triton crap (forgot what they're called, way overpriced). If you go wireless, do not get anything that does not use Kleer technology; Sennheiser's RS range does and there's a handful of other ones that do. Astro's old A40 was decent, but the new one sucks just the same, because the previous one came with a pretty decent headphone amp that did Dolby Headphone (MixAmp is what it was called) and it had better drivers.
(note when I say drivers above I don't mean software drivers, I mean the drivers that are inside the ear cups producing the sound  ) |
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| Posted: Sat, 5th Oct 2013 00:37 Post subject: |
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Still, i can tell you EXACTLY where you are ingame from my position out using my current headset (which is emulated as well), which i can't with a normal 2.0
Well can you find me a combination of a proper soundcard with wireless headphone than, that according to you should sound way better then those i mentioned at the same price of those 2 i got my eye on.
As for the driver, the 2100 from Corsair comes with 50mm ones tho and i'm very happy with the 1500 i currently got. So basically it should be a no-brainer for me, because they are the same, only wireless.
Oh my eye just caught this one: http://www.soundblaster.com/products/Sound-Blaster-Tactic3D-Omega-Wireless.aspx and http://www.soundblaster.com/products/Sound-Blaster-Recon3D-Omega-Wireless.aspx
How's that one compared than?
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| Posted: Sat, 5th Oct 2013 03:11 Post subject: |
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I have creative aurvana live and those are best headphoens i ever had.
Crazy guys over headfi are all over those as best recommendation below 100.
Most headsets are lame tho.
I have cal and xonar dg and dolby headphone 7.1 works
But if you really want a headset astro a40 sounds good
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| Posted: Sat, 5th Oct 2013 03:17 Post subject: |
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KC, you always come with the most pointless answers in these kind of topics 
I didn't ask what YOU had, nor did i said i got ~€250,- to spend on a headset..
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| Posted: Sat, 5th Oct 2013 03:27 Post subject: |
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Both not very good.
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| Posted: Sat, 5th Oct 2013 03:31 Post subject: |
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Well compared to the other 2 i had my eye on? And why ain't they good then?
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| Posted: Sat, 5th Oct 2013 03:35 Post subject: |
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And why would i get cheaper ones (even with cable) when i clearly stated what i was looking for?
Plus they are so old that you can't get them here anymore and they ain't a headset but headphones, which i clearly stated i didn't want either.
Now if you got nothing of value to add, i suggest you leave this topic aside 
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| Posted: Sat, 5th Oct 2013 03:46 Post subject: |
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| sausje wrote: | | Well compared to the other 2 i had my eye on? And why ain't they good then? |
These: http://www.soundblaster.com/products/Sound-Blaster-Recon3D-Omega-Wireless.aspx were the first headphones I had my eye on when I was looking for a gaming headset. The surround sound audio doesn't work very well (and I think I remember there being a problem with BF3?) and the actual headphones are average at best. Just read some reviews. Also the Logitech G930's are much better. Don't know about the Corsair Vengeance 2100 because they came out after I was looking.
In the end, and after countless hours googling, I had the sense to buy some proper headphones and a sound card.
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| Posted: Sat, 5th Oct 2013 07:04 Post subject: |
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| sausje wrote: | KC, you always come with the most pointless answers in these kind of topics
I didn't ask what YOU had, nor did i said i got ~€250,- to spend on a headset.. |
for some reason he does that a lot with audio threads. Not a clue what he's talking about but...there he is lol |
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| Posted: Sat, 5th Oct 2013 08:43 Post subject: |
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| sausje wrote: | Because there are no proper headphone only 7.1 wireless ones for around the same price.
And so far, with gaming, 5.1 and 7.1 has given me massive advantage in most shooters over the normal 2.0 ones. |
Again, you can accomplish surround with Dolby headphone, cmss3d, or Razers free solution.
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| Posted: Sat, 5th Oct 2013 11:27 Post subject: |
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| sausje wrote: | | Well can you find me a combination of a proper soundcard with wireless headphone than, that according to you should sound way better then those i mentioned at the same price of those 2 i got my eye on. |
You can say as much as you want about it being the same etc, but if the price combination would exceed that of what i got my eye on, there is no valid reason to do so then, i rather go for the cheaper but "worse" all in 1 solution.
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| Posted: Sat, 5th Oct 2013 12:14 Post subject: |
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I was going to reply properly, but you've got your mind set on a wireless headset.
Good luck, you'll be back complaining about either quality or lag sooner rather than later. Or with the Corsair, the fucking thing itself breaking.
Sorry saus, but you're even too lazy to really Google and read about these things, not one of them is liked by anyone who demands a bit more from their stuff, which you do. Sound quality is just poor. And the Corsair headsets have a habit of cracking near the earcups, at least the previous high-end model (2000) did.
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| Posted: Sat, 5th Oct 2013 12:26 Post subject: |
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Yeah i got my mind set on a wireless, because the ones with cable are always a fucking pain in the ass.
I have had cables on headphones all my life, and all the time they keep getting internally broken or they keep being stuck to my belt or phone holder and i pull kb/mouse and tons of other stuff on my desk with it to the ground..
I just cba with that bs anymore.
Yeah i read about the 2000 being so shitty with it, but the 2100 has supposedly fixed this issue. And like i said, i got the 1500 myself and it's really not a bad thing itself.
Plus the fact remains that if i want to get good surround that is like 5.1/7.1 or better, then i need to buy a good soundcard with it as well. The problem then is the price, buying both good products will exceed my budget by miles.
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| Posted: Sat, 5th Oct 2013 12:52 Post subject: |
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No, you don't need an expensive soundcard for that. Even a Xonar DGX which is like what, 30 euros, does Dolby Headphone and contrary to popular belief, you don't need a headphone amp for something around the 100 EUR mark if you have a Xonar or X-Fi.
I just know that you will be back complaining about the wireless quality. I've tried a LOT of them, including the overpriced ones like Turtle Beach's crap and they all sound very muddy - they all have a lot of static as well. I can't comment on the 2000 or 2100 from personal experience, but your 1500 is nothing compared to relatively cheap wired headphones. I've also had the opportunity to try an RS 170, 180 and 220. That last one is ridiculously expensive, but it is also the only wireless pair of headphones in the world that sound really, really good. They're somewhere in between the HD 600 and HD 650, which if you look up reviews and opinions, are considered very high-end models.
The 170 and 180 meanwhile (170 = closed back, 180 = open back) are well ahead of any gaming headset as well. The 180 has a lot clearer sound and actually isn't too far off an HD 595 (somewhere between a 558 and 595 I'd say), which is again considered to be one of the top mid-range pair of cans. I know some other people on here are not going to believe me, but the Kleer technology manages to keep sound quality exceptionally high compared to any other wireless pair.
Unfortunately I can't comment on the one that would fit within your budget, the RS 160. That one is also closed, so it'll lack some clarity, but other than that I believe it is much the same as the 170, the main difference is in the base. Which, if you get a soundcard, is entirely irrelevant outside the charging aspect.
Personally, I'd walk into a MediaMarkt or something and try the RS 160 a go if I were you (if they have one available for testing). Keep in mind that with any gaming headset you also get a crap USB soundcard and you usually HAVE to use that to get sound; the difference with the RS 160 for example is that you can plug it into *anything*. I think you'll be surprised at how different it'll sound.
Oh and as far as your cable issues go: welcome to gaming peripherals. Most ship with cheap parts sold at 400% margin.
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| Posted: Sat, 5th Oct 2013 14:45 Post subject: |
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So Werelds, from reading all that i can best do the RS 160 with the Xonar DGX? Which totals it to ~€143,-
Tho the RS 170 is only ~€152,- so it still is kinda within budget (depending on how much i get for the phone i sell).
RS 180 is just a tad above my budget if i include the sound card you suggested with it.
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| Posted: Sat, 5th Oct 2013 15:12 Post subject: |
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If you're deadset on wireless, then yes, that is what I would suggest; still, try the actual headphones in a store first as I have never tried the 160's so I can't comment on their quality.
If they're like the 170's though, they'll easily beat your existing 1500 as well 2100's.
However, it is time for me to call you an absolute fucking tool, because I looked up the specs for them and noticed that your 1500's *and* the 2100's do use Dolby Headphone 
So, if you had any worries about CMSS-3D or Dolby Headphone, those are hereby invalidated because that's what you have been using already you tit 
I thought they were the same "true" surround bullshit companies like Triton and Turtle Beach sell, but they're just DH cans, which is better.
That said, the actual audio processor in the USB soundcard is still shit, which will degrade quality so Creative's new cards (which no longer use THX crap but a derivative of CMSS-3D again, yay!) or a Xonar still produce superior sound (clearer, above all). Add to that the fact that the headphones themselves are just not up to scratch with the RS 160 (even the on-paper specs are better for the latter, difference in reality is usually even bigger) and I think that a DGX + RS 160 will net you a much better result
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| Posted: Sat, 5th Oct 2013 15:28 Post subject: |
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The 170 will still be inside budget, so once i sold the phone, i will get that one (will be getting around €190 for the HoX that i'm getting from HTC  ).
I think closed will be better for gaming anyway, plus i actually like heavy bass
Thanks for your input, RS 170 + Xonar DGX will be what i'll buy.
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| Posted: Sat, 5th Oct 2013 16:31 Post subject: |
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| Werelds wrote: | If you're deadset on wireless, then yes, that is what I would suggest; still, try the actual headphones in a store first as I have never tried the 160's so I can't comment on their quality.
If they're like the 170's though, they'll easily beat your existing 1500 as well 2100's.
However, it is time for me to call you an absolute fucking tool, because I looked up the specs for them and noticed that your 1500's *and* the 2100's do use Dolby Headphone
So, if you had any worries about CMSS-3D or Dolby Headphone, those are hereby invalidated because that's what you have been using already you tit
I thought they were the same "true" surround bullshit companies like Triton and Turtle Beach sell, but they're just DH cans, which is better.
That said, the actual audio processor in the USB soundcard is still shit, which will degrade quality so Creative's new cards (which no longer use THX crap but a derivative of CMSS-3D again, yay!) or a Xonar still produce superior sound (clearer, above all). Add to that the fact that the headphones themselves are just not up to scratch with the RS 160 (even the on-paper specs are better for the latter, difference in reality is usually even bigger) and I think that a DGX + RS 160 will net you a much better result |
Classic moment here.
Virtual surround sucks! I want more crappy headsets that use Dolby Headphone to achieve surround anyways!
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