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highstuff




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PostPosted: Thu, 21st Nov 2013 13:32    Post subject:
if thats really the case that ps4 is so much more powerfull then ms is screwed.. people are not gonna like it to pay 100 dollar more for crappier console..
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PostPosted: Thu, 21st Nov 2013 13:39    Post subject:
Kotaku

Quote:
As Marius begins his execution sequence, he might first swing his shield at his enemy's head, then stab him in the chest and then pull that sword out. That'll be a Y-X-X combo. You won't trigger it. You won't even dial up that combo. You're really just reacting to prompts. The bad way of doing that is to wait and wonder whether Marius' enemy will suddenly be highlighted blue or yellow and then react to that. The better way to do this is to appreciate the graphics and actually watch Marius' movements. If he is about to use his sword hand, be ready to press X. If he is about to use any other part of his body to attack, use Y. This might not seem like a big difference, but it is. It feels special, because because the tells that the player is reading aren't those of his enemy's but those of the exceptionally well-rendered main character.

"Okay" Laughing

So it *is* a QTE fest, the prompts are just a little more subtle and because you don't HAVE to press them (because the game plays itself) and they come very late in the animation, you can watch the movement instead. SO INNOVATE


So, here's some other journos:
- IGN: 6.8 @ http://www.ign.com/articles/2013/11/21/ryse-son-of-rome-review
- Gamespot: 4 @ http://www.gamespot.com/reviews/ryse-son-of-rome-review/1900-6415571/
- Polygon: 6 @ http://www.polygon.com/2013/11/21/5128888/ryse-son-of-rome-xbox-one-review

I could go on, but you can see where it's headed. Even IGN only gives it a 6.8, that says enough. Means that in my book it's worth a 3.5 at most Laughing

Again, pretty graphics do not make a shit game worth playing. The game is exactly the QTE fest it seemed to be from all the videos and it's every bit as boring as it seemed. I'm sure some people will still hail it like it's the holy grail of all console games though Laughing

Knack is getting similar scores, but that doesn't have the amazomg graphics. I'll take that one instead Laughing
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Mortibus




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PostPosted: Thu, 21st Nov 2013 13:43    Post subject:
highstuff wrote:
if thats really the case that ps4 is so much more powerfull then ms is screwed.. people are not gonna like it to pay 100 dollar more for crappier console..

ps3 pretty much performed worse even with exclusives, had worse gpu and costed always more than 360, that didn't stop ppl from buying it instead of 360, so yeah that's like your opinion man

headshot wrote:
http://kotaku.com/unboxing-a-white-xbox-one-makes-me-very-jealous-1468642935

http://i.imgur.com/8K7VhHZ.jpg

ahhh yak it's even more hideous in white
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remyleblau
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PostPosted: Thu, 21st Nov 2013 14:19    Post subject:
Lukxxx wrote:
remyleblau wrote:
"thats all folks!", gonna check in ~4years for some exclusives that actually will be worth playing, Slim versions are out and got hacked.


Fixed that for you.


yea, you`re probably right. i`ll add +and it gets cracked Very Happy

Werelds wrote:
Kotaku

Quote:
As Marius begins his execution sequence, he might first swing his shield at his enemy's head, then stab him in the chest and then pull that sword out. That'll be a Y-X-X combo. You won't trigger it. You won't even dial up that combo. You're really just reacting to prompts. The bad way of doing that is to wait and wonder whether Marius' enemy will suddenly be highlighted blue or yellow and then react to that. The better way to do this is to appreciate the graphics and actually watch Marius' movements. If he is about to use his sword hand, be ready to press X. If he is about to use any other part of his body to attack, use Y. This might not seem like a big difference, but it is. It feels special, because because the tells that the player is reading aren't those of his enemy's but those of the exceptionally well-rendered main character.

"Okay" Laughing

So it *is* a QTE fest, the prompts are just a little more subtle and because you don't HAVE to press them (because the game plays itself) and they come very late in the animation, you can watch the movement instead. SO INNOVATE


So, here's some other journos:
- IGN: 6.8 @ http://www.ign.com/articles/2013/11/21/ryse-son-of-rome-review
- Gamespot: 4 @ http://www.gamespot.com/reviews/ryse-son-of-rome-review/1900-6415571/
- Polygon: 6 @ http://www.polygon.com/2013/11/21/5128888/ryse-son-of-rome-xbox-one-review

I could go on, but you can see where it's headed. Even IGN only gives it a 6.8, that says enough. Means that in my book it's worth a 3.5 at most Laughing

Again, pretty graphics do not make a shit game worth playing. The game is exactly the QTE fest it seemed to be from all the videos and it's every bit as boring as it seemed. I'm sure some people will still hail it like it's the holy grail of all console games though Laughing

Knack is getting similar scores, but that doesn't have the amazomg graphics. I'll take that one instead Laughing


you would write the same about every other gamesite if the particular review was somewhat positive.
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PostPosted: Thu, 21st Nov 2013 14:29    Post subject:
@headshot

Damn... not gonna lie that white xbox looks a lot more attractive to me than the black one launching tomorrow.

And those Ryse reviews, it was expected. They made a pretty game that was meh to show off "dat nextgen"


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remyleblau
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PostPosted: Thu, 21st Nov 2013 14:30    Post subject:
I still would take ryse over knack Laughing tho only if i really had to chose Very Happy
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richbambam




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PostPosted: Thu, 21st Nov 2013 14:38    Post subject:
remyleblau wrote:
I still would take ryse over knack Laughing tho only if i really had to chose Very Happy

Really?
even though Knack really isn't my type of game I think I would more fun or say "get less bored" with a game like Knack
I can see ryse being bargain bin before xmas,nothing would inspire me to purchase this game even at a super low price whereas I can see knack being a free PS+ download in a couple of months I would download & give it a playthrough


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remyleblau
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PostPosted: Thu, 21st Nov 2013 14:46    Post subject:
richbambam wrote:
remyleblau wrote:
I still would take ryse over knack Laughing tho only if i really had to chose Very Happy

Really?
even though Knack really isn't my type of game I think I would more fun or say "get less bored" with a game like Knack
I can see ryse being bargain bin before xmas,nothing would inspire me to purchase this game even at a super low price whereas I can see knack being a free PS+ download in a couple of months I would download & give it a playthrough


they both look boring and generic as fuck, and that said i would take boring limb cutting over boring childish robot smashing/whatever Very Happy again, only if i had to choose.

as for knack its really sad that it turned out to be such weak game, after all that Mark Cerny interviews and his history in gamedev one would think it will be something better, oh well.
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The_Zeel




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PostPosted: Thu, 21st Nov 2013 15:11    Post subject:
neither of the two is good, but i d take knack because its atleast a platformer and not a crappy qte shitfest like ryse.
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JiGSaW
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PostPosted: Thu, 21st Nov 2013 15:59    Post subject:
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rgb#000
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PostPosted: Thu, 21st Nov 2013 16:16    Post subject:
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-next-gen-now-ryse-son-of-rome

So, not only Ryse is just 1600x900 but it also suffers from drastic slow downs. Drops to below 20fps are frequent.
Compared to Killzone Shadow Fall, which looks better, runs at 1920x1080, has pretty high antialiasing, single player fps 30-45, and multiplayer 50-60.

People still don't have enough proof which console is vastly superior?
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The_Zeel




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PostPosted: Thu, 21st Nov 2013 16:21    Post subject:
Laughing this is a fucking joke, 720p20 vs 1080p30-60
who the hell will keep making games for boner?
the console is dead on arrival in europe in japan anyway, and even usa doesnt really like it,
no wonder, with the shitty performance so far.
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PostPosted: Thu, 21st Nov 2013 16:21    Post subject:
No no rgb, you got that wrong. It's a lack of experience. And don't forget The Cloud®©™. The PS4 has no cloud at all and experience will not allow developers to squeeze more out of it.






Pffchh
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The_Zeel




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PostPosted: Thu, 21st Nov 2013 16:23    Post subject:
it has been proven that ps4 is already maxed out on launch, hence the games can never look better, while boner has the infinite potential of the cloud and will deliver 1440k@120 fps in 2 years.
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PostPosted: Thu, 21st Nov 2013 16:25    Post subject:
The_Zeel wrote:
it has been proven that ps4 is already maxed out on launch, hence the games can never look better, while boner has the infinite potential of the cloud and will deliver 1440k@120 fps in 2 years.


Of course! With The Power of The Cloud® you have the power of FOUR XBONES in your living room!
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remyleblau
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PostPosted: Thu, 21st Nov 2013 16:33    Post subject:
JiGSaW wrote:
http://www.gamer.nl/commentaar/436141/over-de-xbox-one-versie-van-call-of-duty-ghosts

http://images.anandtech.com/doci/7528/ps4-ghosts.png

http://images.anandtech.com/doci/7528/xbone-ghosts.png

Quote:
“That’s a question for Microsoft. You know…we uhm…high-res just didn’t work on One.”

Laughing


i see no difference really, both look like shit Very Happy

The_Zeel wrote:
Laughing this is a fucking joke, 720p20 vs 1080p30-60
who the hell will keep making games for boner?


probably every dev out there Very Happy
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Shocktrooper




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PostPosted: Thu, 21st Nov 2013 16:42    Post subject:
at least Ryse, Forza and Crimson Dragon are enhanced® with microtransactions
for a hefty sum skip all the tedium and in front of your Xb0ner friends pretend that you have achieved everything
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PostPosted: Thu, 21st Nov 2013 16:45    Post subject:
I don't know, call me cpt. Derp but so far, DR3 and Ryse are the best looking (visually and gameplay wise) console specific next gen lunch titles.






Well, imo anyway. Okay

I'm looking at the PS4 and other than Resogun, there no other exclusive lunch game I want to play. Neutral Where as looking at the xbone, DR3 and Ryse got me pretty hyped. Very Happy


[img:91f1fb12c3 ]http://i.imgur.com/fTzqMvq.gif[/img]


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remyleblau
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PostPosted: Thu, 21st Nov 2013 16:46    Post subject:
well in SONY they were rushing to release ps4 first so they obviously didnt menage to implement microtransactions, tho its in GT6 Very Happy

cobALT wrote:
I don't know, so far, DR3 and Ryse are the best looking (visually and gameplay wise) console specific next gen lunch titles. Well, imo anyway.

I'm looking at the PS4 and other than Resogun, there no other exclusive lunch game I want to play. Neutral Where as looking at the xbone, DR3 and Ryse got me pretty hyped. Very Happy


if 15 fps zombie tpp with childish humour and generic as fuck QTE fest get you hyped i`d suggest seeing a doctor Very Happy
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cobALT




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PostPosted: Thu, 21st Nov 2013 16:57    Post subject:
remyleblau wrote:
well in SONY they were rushing to release ps4 first so they obviously didnt menage to implement microtransactions, tho its in GT6 Very Happy

cobALT wrote:
I don't know, so far, DR3 and Ryse are the best looking (visually and gameplay wise) console specific next gen lunch titles. Well, imo anyway.

I'm looking at the PS4 and other than Resogun, there no other exclusive lunch game I want to play. Neutral Where as looking at the xbone, DR3 and Ryse got me pretty hyped. Very Happy


if 15 fps zombie tpp with childish humour and generic as fuck QTE fest get you hyped i`d suggest seeing a doctor Very Happy


Talking like someone who had some hands on experience with the games I assume. If not, get your facts straight. From all the hands on videos I've seen, none of those titles run at 15fps.


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PostPosted: Thu, 21st Nov 2013 17:09    Post subject:
DR and Ryse don't hit 30 either though Laughing

And KZ looks better than Ryse IMO. Better lighting (note how Ryse, while running on CryEngine3, has surprisingly little light sources, I wonder why...Rolling Eyes), not the insane motion-blur-all-the-things-because-it-fixes-framerates and areas bigger than a toilet.
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remyleblau
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PostPosted: Thu, 21st Nov 2013 17:18    Post subject:
cobALT wrote:
remyleblau wrote:
well in SONY they were rushing to release ps4 first so they obviously didnt menage to implement microtransactions, tho its in GT6 Very Happy

cobALT wrote:
I don't know, so far, DR3 and Ryse are the best looking (visually and gameplay wise) console specific next gen lunch titles. Well, imo anyway.

I'm looking at the PS4 and other than Resogun, there no other exclusive lunch game I want to play. Neutral Where as looking at the xbone, DR3 and Ryse got me pretty hyped. Very Happy


if 15 fps zombie tpp with childish humour and generic as fuck QTE fest get you hyped i`d suggest seeing a doctor Very Happy


Talking like someone who had some hands on experience with the games I assume. If not, get your facts straight. From all the hands on videos I've seen, none of those titles run at 15fps.


i`m sorry, my mistake:

The statement from the team is that a locked 30fps is targeted here, but in the build we saw there's a huge gap to be bridged in this regard; drops to 20fps are consistent and sustained when outdoors, with 16fps being our record low during some of the biggest explosions.

appears it was 16, no 15, sorry again Very Happy

seriously, for a price of xbone + 1-2 games you could build yourself quite nice pc rig + get new batman/splinter/assassin for free with nvidia, or bf4 with ati, and "yarr" everything else for zero amount of moneyz Laughing
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Lukxxx




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PostPosted: Thu, 21st Nov 2013 17:38    Post subject:
I really wonder how people compare prices PC vs XBOX and now ps4.

They compare it like: PC 700+$, XBOX 500$ PS4 400$
When they should do it like this: PC 700+$, XBOX 500$ + 6 years of GOLD 360$ = 860$, PS4 400$ + 6 years of PSN+ 300$ = 700$....

I know that PSN+ gives you free games, but Steam gives you great sales, and overall PC's lesser prices.

So even getting 900$ priced PC is comparable to getting next gen console. And it's today. Year or two later when consoles will really be going to be deprecated, that gap will be huge.
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PostPosted: Thu, 21st Nov 2013 17:44    Post subject:
Lukxxx wrote:
I really wonder how people compare prices PC vs XBOX and now ps4.

They compare it like: PC 700+$, XBOX 500$ PS4 400$
When they should do it like this: PC 700+$, XBOX 500$ + 6 years of GOLD 360$ = 860$, PS4 400$ + 6 years of PSN+ 300$ = 700$....

I know that PSN+ gives you free games, but Steam gives you great sales, and overall PC's lesser prices.

So even getting 900$ priced PC is comparable to getting next gen console. And it's today. Year or two later when consoles will really be going to be deprecated, that gap will be huge.

i don't understand your logic at all. PC hardware depreciates much much quicker than consoles. you can spin it any way you like but PC gaming will always be more expensive. PS4 400$ + 6 years of PSN+ 300$ = 700$.... oh no! you know how much i spent on PC hardware last 6-8 years? probably 5 times that amount, and i never even had most powerful PCs, just faster than average...

and then you forget most important fact, there are many amazing consoles exclusives that will never come to PC. you do know many people who buy consoles already have gaming rigs? we buy consoles because we love GAMES, not because we love sony or MS or whatever.
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PostPosted: Thu, 21st Nov 2013 17:55    Post subject:
Not sure if this is common knowledge, but i have just received my xbox one and the instructions state i have to connect it to the internet for initial set up and the console will be unusable untill this is done, i can then disconnect but the first time set up update is mandatory to make the console work.


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PostPosted: Thu, 21st Nov 2013 18:15    Post subject:
Been known since they backtracked on that DRM shit
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PostPosted: Thu, 21st Nov 2013 18:16    Post subject:
Wow most titles for next gen are avarage at the best Shifty Fellar Shifty Fellar


"Fuck Denuvo"

Your personal opinions != the rest of the forum


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PostPosted: Thu, 21st Nov 2013 18:16    Post subject:
deadpoetic wrote:
Been known since they backtracked on that DRM shit


ahh sorry did not know that, kinda annoying as this is my sons xmas present and i wanted a sneaky play on it but cant now as he will see it on xbox live Sad


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remyleblau
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PostPosted: Thu, 21st Nov 2013 18:20    Post subject:
tobycoaster wrote:
deadpoetic wrote:
Been known since they backtracked on that DRM shit


ahh sorry did not know that, kinda annoying as this is my sons xmas present and i wanted a sneaky play on it but cant now as he will see it on xbox live Sad


- you should check what ure buying
- afaik it can be upgraded via usb
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So you mean to say people who buy PC love MS Razz
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