[Next Gen] The Next Generation Discussion Thread!
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remyleblau
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PostPosted: Mon, 25th Nov 2013 16:32    Post subject:


some pc vs console comparison, price/quality etc. btw dat bf4 xbone resolution, just lol.
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PostPosted: Mon, 25th Nov 2013 17:03    Post subject:
Im going to stick to buying retail PS4 games unless the game I want is digital download only but its unlikely to be that expensive. Maybe even US retail Smile


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PostPosted: Mon, 25th Nov 2013 17:05    Post subject:
I am sticking with oculus and ps4 in year or two


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MinderMast




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PostPosted: Mon, 25th Nov 2013 17:06    Post subject:
Grale wrote:
rgb#000 wrote:
Grale wrote:
There gonna lock it down Zeel i can feel it coming Crying or Very sad

they can't really lock it down without massively fucking up experience for everyone. what can they do, block access to US PSN account from European IP? not gonna happen. I don't even think it's a problem since there aren't many Europeans who buy from US PSN, most just couldn't be bothered making separate accounts and buying prepaid cards etc.


I guess they could region lock the games, but wouldn't that just lock down the multiplayer part?

I think they could easily adapt the current PC system, like on Steam, and only allow buying games for specific regions.

Back when PS3 was launched, digital distribution wasn't really a big thing for consoles and even on PCs it was just starting to really take off.
These days it's the thing - consoles are heavily focused on all things digital now, so it wouldn't be surprising to seem them putting more effort into the system and do it by looking at the best.
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rgb#000
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PostPosted: Mon, 25th Nov 2013 17:13    Post subject:
MinderMast wrote:
Grale wrote:
rgb#000 wrote:

they can't really lock it down without massively fucking up experience for everyone. what can they do, block access to US PSN account from European IP? not gonna happen. I don't even think it's a problem since there aren't many Europeans who buy from US PSN, most just couldn't be bothered making separate accounts and buying prepaid cards etc.


I guess they could region lock the games, but wouldn't that just lock down the multiplayer part?

I think they could easily adapt the current PC system, like on Steam, and only allow buying games for specific regions.

Back when PS3 was launched, digital distribution wasn't really a big thing for consoles and even on PCs it was just starting to really take off.
These days it's the thing - consoles are heavily focused on all things digital now, so it wouldn't be surprising to seem them putting more effort into the system and do it by looking at the best.

they already do that. you can't just go to US PSN store and buy any game with your european credit/debit card, it won't work. requires more effort than that, you need to buy US PSN prepaid cards, enter them into your US PSN account and only then you should be able to buy US priced games for your US PSN account only.
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PostPosted: Mon, 25th Nov 2013 17:32    Post subject:
sabin1981 wrote:
£63/€75 games... oh dear lord Sad


but but it's cheaper than building mid range pc that will run at same or better setting exactly the same games

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MinderMast




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PostPosted: Mon, 25th Nov 2013 17:37    Post subject:
rgb#000 wrote:

they already do that. you can't just go to US PSN store and buy any game with your european credit/debit card, it won't work. requires more effort than that, you need to buy US PSN prepaid cards, enter them into your US PSN account and only then you should be able to buy US priced games for your US PSN account only.

I know, I posted that entire process here just a few days ago, remember? Razz
Also while you buy a game for a specific account - you can still play the game from any account on that same PS3.

My point was they could restrict you doing even that. There are Steam cards as well, but they don't allow you to get around regional restrictions or pricing.

I think the problem for Sony would be that PS3 is still in play - if they change the account system for PS4 too much, they would need to handle PS3 somehow as well.
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PostPosted: Mon, 25th Nov 2013 17:46    Post subject:
Mortibus wrote:
sabin1981 wrote:
£63/€75 games... oh dear lord Sad


but but it's cheaper than building mid range pc that will run at same or better setting exactly the same games

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yes, troll, it is cheaper. you can easily re-sell disc based console games, or wait a few months and buy used game way way cheaper. no one forces you to buy digital version of the game for same price as vastly superior retail disc version (we only consider it because it's cheaper to buy from US PSN store). also you get tons of great games from ps+ membership, forgot about that? many more casual gaming people i know don't even buy games on ps3, they just subscribe to ps+ and play whatever they get for free.
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PostPosted: Mon, 25th Nov 2013 17:48    Post subject:
Mortibus wrote:
sabin1981 wrote:
£63/€75 games... oh dear lord Sad


but but it's cheaper than building mid range pc that will run at same or better setting exactly the same games

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what about the exclusive games that wont come to pc?
how will it run these?
through emulation in 10 years?
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sabin1981
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PostPosted: Mon, 25th Nov 2013 17:52    Post subject:
Pretty much covered already, but yeah.. there will be plenty of platform exclusives so whether you can build a comparative PC for the price of a PS4/XB with a year of their respective online services or not, it's the games that still make the system and there will still be a lot of exclusives. EA titles will no doubt still follow the same insulting bullshit of NextGen Engine® only available on NextGen® consoles as well >_<
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PostPosted: Mon, 25th Nov 2013 17:59    Post subject:
Maybe Mortibus knows something that we don't know, like Naughty Dog porting their games to PC and Quantic Dream back to their beloved PC platform ?

If so omg you console derps, lol you wasted your money on inferior hardware !!111


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PostPosted: Mon, 25th Nov 2013 18:21    Post subject:
cyclonefr wrote:
Maybe Mortibus knows something that we don't know, like Naughty Dog porting their games to PC and Quantic Dream back to their beloved PC platform ?

If so omg you console derps, lol you wasted your money on inferior hardware !!111


You bought the wrong console for that. Just buy a PS3.
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PostPosted: Mon, 25th Nov 2013 18:41    Post subject:
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2013-11-25-xbox-one-tv-integration-suffers-noticeable-judder-in-uk

Please allow me to illustrate the way I feel about this, with my response from the NFS 2013 thread:
Werelds wrote:
This game is just... Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing


Replace 'game' with 'console' and voilà, you have my response here Laughing


Seriously though, how fucking dumb are they? This is ridiculous. Xbox One-country-matters-rest-we-dont-know-about. How the fuck do you lock your fucking output to NTSC, when you're planning to ship to countries that use PAL and one of your main features is HDMI passthrough? Idiots.

I'll say it again, anyone paying the full 500 Euros here in Europe, for this underpowered, undersupported, huge brick of a device is an idiot, sorry. This once again shows what market they're targeting. Hint: it's not Europe, nor is it Asia.


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cyclonefr




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PostPosted: Mon, 25th Nov 2013 18:42    Post subject:
I already have a pS3.

So you secretly know that ND and QD canceled their ps4 projects ?

Wow the hump sure has many insiders !


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highstuff




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PostPosted: Mon, 25th Nov 2013 19:22    Post subject:
So Sony moffo's make ps4 100 euro cheaper then xbox one and then make the prices of the games more expensive. Very Happy sneaky bastards
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PostPosted: Mon, 25th Nov 2013 19:23    Post subject:
PS4 games in Norway:
Expert: 450-499 NOK for each game (Normal price for todays console games at decent chains)
CDON: 599 NOK(!) for each game.

Thats a HUGE fucking difference. Im afraid its only a deal they will have in 1-2 months to sell a lot of playstations and the games. Expert have decent deals now and the, but online stores are usually 20% cheaper.

When thats said, the PS4 will only be 3499 at expert (store only price!)
Im gonna get there early! Called earlier and heard Expert XL in Sandefjord is gonna get quite a few PS4s Very Happy Only 4 more days Wink
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PostPosted: Mon, 25th Nov 2013 19:33    Post subject:
They dumped the nand of xbox one.

http://www.konsolen-junkies.de/
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PostPosted: Mon, 25th Nov 2013 19:44    Post subject:
sabin1981 wrote:
Pretty much covered already, but yeah.. there will be plenty of platform exclusives so whether you can build a comparative PC for the price of a PS4/XB with a year of their respective online services or not, it's the games that still make the system and there will still be a lot of exclusives. EA titles will no doubt still follow the same insulting bullshit of NextGen Engine® only available on NextGen® consoles as well >_<


Too bad that most people forget the attitude the manufacturer has when it comes down to make or break a system. Just throw a game at them and say you changed and all is forgiven.

Ah well, same reason why some publisher can continue doing what they do without giving a fuck.


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PostPosted: Mon, 25th Nov 2013 20:55    Post subject:
highstuff wrote:
So Sony moffo's make ps4 100 euro cheaper then xbox one and then make the prices of the games more expensive. Very Happy sneaky bastards


Isn't it the developers who set the prices for PSN games? Thought EA was in bed with Microsoft now and until i know the default game prices on Sony VS Microsoft i'm inclined to think it's a bit of a sabotage to make people go for cheaper games at Microsoft. I would be AMAZED if Sony conciously made their games more expensive than Microsoft. It would be laughably arrogantfor them to think they would get away with that because...Sony.
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PostPosted: Mon, 25th Nov 2013 21:08    Post subject:
highstuff wrote:
So Sony moffo's make ps4 100 euro cheaper then xbox one and then make the prices of the games more expensive. Very Happy sneaky bastards

don't think sony has anything to do with it.
killzone sony exclusive on german PS store 59.99 https://store.sonyentertainmentnetwork.com/#!/de-de/spiel/killzone-shadow-fall/cid=EP9000-CUSA00002_00-KZ4RELEASE000041
battlefield 4 on german PS store 69.99 https://store.sonyentertainmentnetwork.com/#!/de-de/spiel/battlefield-4/cid=EP0006-CUSA00049_00-BATTLEFIELD40000
blame EA, they did it cos they can
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PostPosted: Tue, 26th Nov 2013 02:38    Post subject:
highstuff wrote:
They dumped the nand of xbox one.

http://www.konsolen-junkies.de/


Excellent, I like to see this kind of enthusiasm to hack the sucker

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The_Zeel




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PostPosted: Tue, 26th Nov 2013 03:06    Post subject:
go go boner!
this is your only way to get sales Laughing
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PostPosted: Tue, 26th Nov 2013 10:34    Post subject:
Team Xecuter say there making big announcement about the dumping of NAND on the Xbox one
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PostPosted: Tue, 26th Nov 2013 10:44    Post subject:
nand was already dumped, so what could they announce related to dumping? maybe they found something useful for hacking in the nand.

well nand dumb doesn't mean much anyway, even with nand dumped console can still remain unhacked for 5 years. at least xbox scene is alive, organized and determined, unlike pathetic PS scene full of drama and attention kiddies.
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PostPosted: Tue, 26th Nov 2013 10:53    Post subject:
A few relevant thingymabobs:

Corrinne Yu joins Naughty Dog
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=722257

Especially interesting is this tweet (which she has now removed):


Thermal images
http://www.planetextech.com/profiles/blogs/xbox-one-thermal-images
http://www.planetextech.com/profiles/blogs/playstation-4-thermal-images

60 degrees is not bad at all for such a tiny case *and* with the PSU inside. Note how hot the Kinect gets!
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highstuff




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PostPosted: Tue, 26th Nov 2013 10:54    Post subject:
omegaultimo2 wrote:
Team Xecuter say there making big announcement about the dumping of NAND on the Xbox one


yeah they are very confident I think they kept some 360 hacks private so that these exploits might also be in xbox one.
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PostPosted: Tue, 26th Nov 2013 11:28    Post subject:
And i'm also sure that it would be cool with a hacked console, but i'm also sure that this generation will be tailor made for online experiences, so in the end we would miss out on a lot. Or they might just be able to force update your consoles at will if they want.
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PostPosted: Tue, 26th Nov 2013 11:29    Post subject:
highstuff wrote:
omegaultimo2 wrote:
Team Xecuter say there making big announcement about the dumping of NAND on the Xbox one


yeah they are very confident I think they kept some 360 hacks private so that these exploits might also be in xbox one.

Laughing Laughing Laughing
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PostPosted: Tue, 26th Nov 2013 11:41    Post subject:
She's excite Cool Face

But pliz hack the ps4 not the xboned, i only want final fantasy Failed Troll


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PostPosted: Tue, 26th Nov 2013 11:42    Post subject:
Stormwolf wrote:
but i'm also sure that this generation will be tailor made for online experiences, so in the end we would miss out on a lot.


I agree. Let's hope in a live-safe solution, like the current x360 ODEs/optical drive hacks
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