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Stige
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Seems pretty pay-to-play tbh.
Ranked is pointless really, you need the dozens of good cards to be able to compete there which you can only get through paying and you can only play Arena like once every 4 days or something (unless you pay).
So pay-to-play and pay-to-win at same time? Pretty damn gay...
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sausje
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| Posted: Mon, 23rd Dec 2013 16:04 Post subject: |
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Pay-to-make-it-easier IMO.
Tons of work needed to get proper cards, or just drop down €40,- for a 40 pack and you get most cards already... fucking bs tbh..
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| Posted: Mon, 23rd Dec 2013 16:31 Post subject: |
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| Stige wrote: | Seems pretty pay-to-play tbh.
Ranked is pointless really, you need the dozens of good cards to be able to compete there which you can only get through paying and you can only play Arena like once every 4 days or something (unless you pay).
So pay-to-play and pay-to-win at same time? Pretty damn gay... |
So... why do people keep saying this? It is absolutely baffling my mind.
How do you think card games work? Do you think they work different in person?! Go ahead and pick any collectable card game. Magic, WoW, anything.
One person goes and spends $100 and the other gets handed a starter pack. Who do you think has a better chance of winning?
CCGs have ALWAYS been this way, why is everyone raising such an issue about it now?
I've never once been around MTG people who walked around the room going "WAHHHH YOUR DECK WAS PAY TO WIN!!!!!" Of course it fucking was, he spent money on the booster packs and invested in his deck.
What the fuck, people? |
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Przepraszam
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| Posted: Mon, 23rd Dec 2013 16:40 Post subject: |
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It's probably hating on Blizzard 
I used to play Yu-Gi-Oh and it's safe to say that I dropped between $500-$1000 on booster card packs.
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| Posted: Mon, 23rd Dec 2013 16:43 Post subject: |
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| Stige wrote: | Seems pretty pay-to-play tbh.
Ranked is pointless really, you need the dozens of good cards to be able to compete there which you can only get through paying and you can only play Arena like once every 4 days or something (unless you pay).
So pay-to-play and pay-to-win at same time? Pretty damn gay... |
i'm somehow confused.
lets say you put 10000$ in there. playing casual.
your win g are capped at 100g/ day.
that mean 30 games with you all mighty hand. and is over.
you can get 40/60 g from daily.
that means you can play an arena / day lets say. playing normal.
you want to get faster in arena ? sure, go for it. but your all mighty 10000$ deck card is useless there. and whats the point to pay for arena, when you got all the cards with your $ ?
and if you are playing with your 100000$ mighty deck in ranked games, you will get matched with people with appropriate decks. which maybe they got playing in 2 months, or being lucky. or by crafting. and your issue is that you canot buy ranked card. like a 10+ pyroblast. your pyroblast is the same like a free player got it from a deck pyroblast. and can be crafted aswell.
now i presume you will feel pretty stupid with your all mighty instantly buyed 10000$ deck, playing the same game and having less fun vs people with their free decks, because you have nothing to look for. you are only cheating yourself out of fun.
p2w in heartstone is very different vs mtg. you can say is a non issue, for almost all people.
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sausje
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| Posted: Mon, 23rd Dec 2013 18:44 Post subject: |
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| Posted: Mon, 23rd Dec 2013 20:13 Post subject: |
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| Stige wrote: | Seems pretty pay-to-play tbh.
Ranked is pointless really, you need the dozens of good cards to be able to compete there which you can only get through paying and you can only play Arena like once every 4 days or something (unless you pay).
So pay-to-play and pay-to-win at same time? Pretty damn gay... |
You are either talking about some totally different game or just trolling or have absolutely no idea what is Hearthstone.
In Hearthstone you can complete quests. These quests give you gold. There is one(sometimes more) daily quests that are visible in your quest log. Completing 1 daily quests give you 40g. Not enough for arena entry? You can play casual games but 10g for3 wins is really time consuming. !BUT! There are HIDDEN ONE-TIME QUESTS. If you beat all expert bots, you win 100g. If you win 100 games, you get 300g. For around 7 days (depends how much you play) you can earn 1k g. That seems enough for some Arenas, no?
And better watch some arena streams. That should make you much better and can get you to 7+ wins and you will eventually earn more gold than you spend in the arena + 5 cards.
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| Posted: Mon, 23rd Dec 2013 21:07 Post subject: |
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And if you do not suck badly, 7 wins in arena is infinite without counting daily quests.
If you "only" manage 5 wins, you can get a new arena with your daily quest.
And one run of 12 wins in arena usually gives 450-500 gold, enough for 3 more runs.
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Stige
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| Posted: Mon, 23rd Dec 2013 21:17 Post subject: |
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| Gorkk wrote: | And if you do not suck badly, 7 wins in arena is infinite without counting daily quests.
If you "only" manage 5 wins, you can get a new arena with your daily quest.
And one run of 12 wins in arena usually gives 450-500 gold, enough for 3 more runs. |
4-3 best attempt maybe? Rng is a bitch, impossible to win realiably when you don't know half the classes or what cards to expect from people.
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| Posted: Mon, 23rd Dec 2013 21:23 Post subject: |
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100g is capped to 10g from 3 wins and does not include gold from dailies, to actually reach 100g limit you need to win 30 games in play mode
This is probably least expensive card game ever and one that is least pay to win, some classes actually need cards to win games, other classes can dominate with basic cards, i dont play ranked much anymore, sometimes none at all, so my rank after reset isnt big, but i got to masters in 30games when i started,
As person above me said, if you can get to 7+ wins in arena, you can do it over and over, if you get more + dailies you will earn gold
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Silvayn
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| Posted: Mon, 23rd Dec 2013 22:02 Post subject: |
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Newbie question.
You unlock your basic cards during practice - leveling the heroes to level 10.
How do you get better than basic cards? Does leveling them further gain you more cards? Or do you only get them via card packs?
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sausje
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| Posted: Mon, 23rd Dec 2013 22:20 Post subject: |
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Only via packs or as random card from arena win.
You do unlock cards after level 10, but those are the same as basic, but as golden card (and you can't even disenchant those...)
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| Posted: Tue, 24th Dec 2013 01:29 Post subject: |
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Przepraszam
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| Posted: Tue, 24th Dec 2013 03:21 Post subject: |
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Quoted for the new page, keys are delivered within 24 hrs.
| PredOborG wrote: |
I also don't like Blizzard much but it seems Hearthstone is going in the right direction so far (just the balance part is kinda bad as usual).
"Between $500-$1000" for one game? WTF ?!?! |
There is no way to stay competative in card game without dropping serious $$$ on booster cards. One thing is Blizzard lets you acquire booster packs at somewhat slower rate, daily quests, defeating 3 enemies in row nets you 10g as well.
You don't get luxury like that in a regular card game, only way to get any new cards is just to buy them.
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| Posted: Tue, 24th Dec 2013 10:42 Post subject: |
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That's not pay-to-win. That's pay-to-get-there-fast-bitch. You can still catch up in 2-3 months with the dudes who payed $200. And if you are so impatient and got such money to waste it's your money, do whatever you want with them. I will still win in the end because I learned every weakness and value of the cards while you are wondering why your legendary deck fails vs basic cards.
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demde
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| Posted: Thu, 26th Dec 2013 16:33 Post subject: |
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This game is super unbalanced in choosing opponent.
Passed the trainin levels and started to play against humans. First 3 matches i won against peope with my level and hero. And then it started to put me against other heroes with brutal cards. I have absolutely no chance to do anything at all. We can just start with hero power. Played twice against Thrall. My power takes 1 damage his power summons 0-2 totem... not only that it gives 1 attack to one minion. Then we start with his a lot more powerfull cards than mine. After 4 moves he had 5 monsters on the field and started to put cards that gives him ability to attack twice and also he had a weapon giving his hero attack with 2 points every turn...
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| Posted: Thu, 26th Dec 2013 16:43 Post subject: |
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have you beat both normal and expert ai ?
try to play for a while in casual mode, not ranked.
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demde
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| Posted: Thu, 26th Dec 2013 17:02 Post subject: |
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I played exactly casual.
Don't think i played expert AI.
It gives another hero or better cards beating it?
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| Posted: Thu, 26th Dec 2013 17:05 Post subject: |
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| demde wrote: | This game is super unbalanced in choosing opponent.
Passed the trainin levels and started to play against humans. First 3 matches i won against peope with my level and hero. And then it started to put me against other heroes with brutal cards. I have absolutely no chance to do anything at all. We can just start with hero power. Played twice against Thrall. My power takes 1 damage his power summons 0-2 totem... not only that it gives 1 attack to one minion. Then we start with his a lot more powerfull cards than mine. After 4 moves he had 5 monsters on the field and started to put cards that gives him ability to attack twice and also he had a weapon giving his hero attack with 2 points every turn... |
The ladder system was reset not too long ago,it is possible that higher ranks guys didn't bother to ranked until now, hence why they are low ranked. I myself haven't played ranked since and if would join the ladder now I would start at rank 25 and play against newbie.
And that Thrall, well it is simply because your deck is not good enough yet. While I'm not saying this game is balanced, but since this is a card, you'll have to accept that you will run into people with much better decks. Whether it is because they spend a lot of money, they crafted their decks well, they were lucky with card packs or they just have better draws.
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Surray
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| Posted: Thu, 26th Dec 2013 17:35 Post subject: |
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Sometimes you'll just get destroyed if an enemy draws really well and you don't draw very well, and then maybe he has RNG luck in how his cards play out too.
Like cards that hit random enemies, can go really well for you or for him.
Doesn't mean anything. In the end if you're good you're gonna have a winrate above 50% and climb the ranks.
You can beat a lot of stuff with just basic decks, but you have to know them and know how to deal with certain things your enemies might do.
If you're new you may encounter things that seem impossible to beat but there's usually a way.
And if there isn't, well, tough luck, it's just 1 game so who cares? Next game you maybe hit a guy that you completely destroy and he thinks the same thing about you.
Even if someone throws legendaries at you, doesn't mean you have no chance. A lot of legendaries are situational and they can all be destroyed like any other minion.
Also about Thrall, Totem summon isn't simply better than mage's 1 damage spell.
If you feel it's so strong simply go and beat AI thrall once and you can play him, then see how it's nothing special when you play as him.
In the end, some types of decks are simply weak against certain other decks. That's not something that can be fixed.
Someone rushing you with tons of weak little minions will always beat you if you only have high cost strong minions and no AoE to deal with them. That's not a balancing issue.
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demde
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| Posted: Thu, 26th Dec 2013 18:36 Post subject: |
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I know im newbie and on my first 2 losts i saw weak spots in my deck and changed few cards. Strategies will come with the time, but really against the 2 Thralls i played with the current deck i don't have even 20% chance to beat him he is just too powerfull.
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| Posted: Thu, 26th Dec 2013 18:38 Post subject: |
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| demde wrote: | I played exactly casual.
Don't think i played expert AI.
It gives another hero or better cards beating it? |
When you beat an AI you unlock him for playing. Also don't use the Suggest a Card function. Make your own cards. When you reach lvl 10 with certain hero you get all basic cards for him/her. Choose 5-6 cards from 2 mana. Elven Archers are ok cards for 1 mana too. But dont use them from the beginning to hit the enemy hero and use them when he spawns some 1 hp minion or keep them in case you need 1 more dmg to kill some minion. For casual games focus on 4 and 5 mana cards. They can be half the cards in your deck. Pick 2-5 from mana 7+ cards ( Core Hound usually is bad choice if you can't buff or protect him with some taunt card ).
These card choices can depend on your hero and your playstyle. EG: aggro decks focus on early domination and choose more 2,3 mana cards.
Here is a good site for Hearthstone. And I give you the direct link to check the good working decks from other people: http://www.hearthpwn.com/decks
Check the Budget Decks for start. They contain only basic cards.
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demde
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| Posted: Thu, 26th Dec 2013 19:20 Post subject: |
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Thanks for the tips. Will try to use some and will try Expert AI first.
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Silvayn
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| Posted: Thu, 26th Dec 2013 22:06 Post subject: |
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If you don't want to spend any real money on this game (like me), the idea is to earn in-game gold, and then use it on Arena entry. Even when I only got 1 win / 3 loses, you'll get a card pack. If you get more wins, you will break even (card pack = 100g if bought separately, and for at least 2-3wins you'll get a pack and at least 50g).
Google "heartstone hidden quests" for some early opportunities to earn some gold.
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Keit
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| Posted: Thu, 26th Dec 2013 22:37 Post subject: |
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You'll get 100 gold for beating all the Expert AI opponents which is nice, they aren't harder than the normal ones either imho.
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| Posted: Thu, 26th Dec 2013 23:35 Post subject: |
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If you start playing arenas better watch some arena streams on twitch. Best ones for me are itsHafu and Trump or Kripparrian if you can catch him streaming.
You can also check this link for card tiers in the arena, but you need goggle account I think:
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Keit
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| Posted: Fri, 27th Dec 2013 19:33 Post subject: |
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Finally managing a 7 win run, but then of course I get a random crappy neutral card in the drop.
1 card pack, 160 gold, 1 Crappy neutral...
at least I got my money back :<
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| Posted: Fri, 3rd Jan 2014 12:36 Post subject: |
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There is no limit on the number of same cards in deck in constructed? GG. RDW.
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